hornets selling their pick?

[ivan_fiba]

http://offsideswithfletcher.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/hornets-selling-draft-pick/


how much would it be worth?

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

I don't know how much it'd be worth Nocioni maybe? I don't know but I will say that at 21 we could pick up a lawson or maynor or another skill player like Ellington. I think stacking picks in this draft will end up being great for the future there's some really good players in this draft. A lot of teams are looking to sell their picks we should try to unload some garbage or try to use the draft as our free agency

 

[sidney]

could see Houston or Portland buying that if Maynor or Teague are still there at #21. I doubt Petrie would be interested since we are picking 2 picks later.

 

[Bricklayer]

could see Houston or Portland buying that if Maynor or Teague are still there at #21. I doubt Petrie would be interested since we are picking 2 picks later.

Gives you control of that area of the draft though.

Look, we won 17 games and are starting over with youth. The more the merrier in this draft. There are at least half a dozen teams rumored to be willing to trade or sell their picks. Let's get a 4th. Hell, let's get a 5th. Let's make this the nadir year, they year where we pile on the youth for the future. And then everything we do from here on out can be built looking forward ratehr than back. Trying to tiptoe and do it half and half led us down a dark path with our record getting worse and worse for 7 of the last 8 years, culimnating in a 17 win season. If the opportunity is there, why not pursue it? They may not all work out, but part fo the beauty of having a lot of picks is that that becomes less important. If a couple of guys flame out, no biggee, you've still got a bunch that worked out.

 

[Section 101]

Keyword is selling the pick. Max you can pay for a draft pick is $3 mil so that's what it would take.

 

[asakkings]

I hope maloofs are willing to buy this pick, having a shot at Mullins/teague at this spot would be nice.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Getting picks around the #16-25 is optimal; there are some guys out there that might be questionable to draft at the end of the lottery, but I think there's a lot of guys out there who might drop but might be viable NBA contributors. There's the cream of the crop--athletic potential players like Austin Daye or Earl Clark might be available, different styles of PGs in Ty Lawson or Eric Maynor, and versatile players like Terrence Williams and James Johnson.

 

[Smills91]

Buy a pick to grab Casspi for NEXT year AND a player we'd pick anyways for THIS year. We only have 8 players under contract and need to fill 5 more roster spots. 3 of those COULD be filled in the draft.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Buy a pick to grab Casspi for NEXT year AND a player we'd pick anyways for THIS year. We only have 8 players under contract and need to fill 5 more roster spots. 3 of those COULD be filled in the draft.

If you want Casspi, I think he'll still be around at the 31st. If we get Rubio we probably shouldn't get another PG in this draft, so that leaves Collison and Mills out of the equation, so Casspi probably would be one of the top players on my list with that pick. NJ's also after him though, and probably the Spurs.

As for the Hornets' pick, seems like the Hornets are always selling their picks to save money--they don't have too many homegrown players besides their studs in Paul and West, and probably the disappointments in Julian Wright and Hilton Armstrong are preventing them from going the youth direction.

 

[kingsfan101]

Gives you control of that area of the draft though.

Look, we won 17 games and are starting over with youth. The more the merrier in this draft. There are at least half a dozen teams rumored to be willing to trade or sell their picks. Let's get a 4th. Hell, let's get a 5th. Let's make this the nadir year, they year where we pile on the youth for the future. And then everything we do from here on out can be built looking forward ratehr than back. Trying to tiptoe and do it half and half led us down a dark path with our record getting worse and worse for 7 of the last 8 years, culimnating in a 17 win season. If the opportunity is there, why not pursue it? They may not all work out, but part fo the beauty of having a lot of picks is that that becomes less important. If a couple of guys flame out, no biggee, you've still got a bunch that worked out.

Agree entirely.

Potential snag could be the owners. Given that the franchise is losing money, and reports about their unwillingness to pay for Rambis, doubt they would like to throw the cash for a pick, instead of picking some guys on the cheap to fill the roster.

Don't entirely blame them. Just expressing my opinion on what could be a potential roadblock.

 

[kpm308]

While the most cash that can be paid for a pick is 3 mil, what would benefit the Hornets more is letting one of the teams under the cap absorb a contract for the pick.

For instance, Kings take on Rasual Butler's 4 million dollar contract, which is expiring, and the 21, and the Hornets send the Kings 3 million to help cover it. Since the Hornets are over the luxury tax, they save 5 million even after sending 3 mil the Kings way, 2 million more than they would get just selling the pick. The Kings in return get Butler, the 21, and 3 million for Butlers contract, so the pick ends up costing only 1 million. Add in the chance that you could buy Butler out and save a million, its possible the Kings could end up with a free pick.

 

[Bricklayer]

While the most cash that can be paid for a pick is 3 mil, what would benefit the Hornets more is letting one of the teams under the cap absorb a contract for the pick.

For instance, Kings take on Rasual Butler's 4 million dollar contract, which is expiring, and the 21, and the Hornets send the Kings 3 million to help cover it. Since the Hornets are over the luxury tax, they save 5 million even after sending 3 mil the Kings way, 2 million more than they would get just selling the pick. The Kings in return get Butler, the 21, and 3 million for Butlers contract, so the pick ends up costing only 1 million. Add in the chance that you could buy Butler out and save a million, its possible the Kings could end up with a free pick.

Clever.

Now send it on to the Maloofs.

 

[bajaden]

While the most cash that can be paid for a pick is 3 mil, what would benefit the Hornets more is letting one of the teams under the cap absorb a contract for the pick.

For instance, Kings take on Rasual Butler's 4 million dollar contract, which is expiring, and the 21, and the Hornets send the Kings 3 million to help cover it. Since the Hornets are over the luxury tax, they save 5 million even after sending 3 mil the Kings way, 2 million more than they would get just selling the pick. The Kings in return get Butler, the 21, and 3 million for Butlers contract, so the pick ends up costing only 1 million. Add in the chance that you could buy Butler out and save a million, its possible the Kings could end up with a free pick.

Now there's a creative mind. By the way, I have some financial problems that maybe I could send your way for advice.

 

[bajaden]

If you want Casspi, I think he'll still be around at the 31st. If we get Rubio we probably shouldn't get another PG in this draft, so that leaves Collison and Mills out of the equation, so Casspi probably would be one of the top players on my list with that pick. NJ's also after him though, and probably the Spurs.

As for the Hornets' pick, seems like the Hornets are always selling their picks to save money--they don't have too many homegrown players besides their studs in Paul and West, and probably the disappointments in Julian Wright and Hilton Armstrong are preventing them from going the youth direction.

I think that Casspi will be around at 23 for sure, but if you really want him, I wouldn't count of him being there at 31. I'm not saying its impossible, but its not a sure thing. Also, I think Wright still has a chance to be a good player in the league. I don't think he's really had a chance to shine. However, I agree on Armstrong.

 

[Section 101]

While the most cash that can be paid for a pick is 3 mil, what would benefit the Hornets more is letting one of the teams under the cap absorb a contract for the pick.

For instance, Kings take on Rasual Butler's 4 million dollar contract, which is expiring, and the 21, and the Hornets send the Kings 3 million to help cover it. Since the Hornets are over the luxury tax, they save 5 million even after sending 3 mil the Kings way, 2 million more than they would get just selling the pick. The Kings in return get Butler, the 21, and 3 million for Butlers contract, so the pick ends up costing only 1 million. Add in the chance that you could buy Butler out and save a million, its possible the Kings could end up with a free pick.

That's good but would have to be done in 2 seperate deals. The Kings cant take on salary until next year (meaning after the July moratorium). They would have to renouce the rights to players too to get below the cap including the MLE.

 

[bajaden]

Gives you control of that area of the draft though.

Look, we won 17 games and are starting over with youth. The more the merrier in this draft. There are at least half a dozen teams rumored to be willing to trade or sell their picks. Let's get a 4th. Hell, let's get a 5th. Let's make this the nadir year, they year where we pile on the youth for the future. And then everything we do from here on out can be built looking forward ratehr than back. Trying to tiptoe and do it half and half led us down a dark path with our record getting worse and worse for 7 of the last 8 years, culimnating in a 17 win season. If the opportunity is there, why not pursue it? They may not all work out, but part fo the beauty of having a lot of picks is that that becomes less important. If a couple of guys flame out, no biggee, you've still got a bunch that worked out.

I agree 100%, because there is no 110% of anything. Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. One of my pet peeves. That along with the word irregardless, which is not a word. Not a legal one anyway. But I digress. Being that were in a rebuild, why not just go full bore into the youth movement. For one thing, in a down economy, its a cheaper way to go. And the more young players you have, the better percentage of finding a few gems.

Portland has 4 second round picks and rumor has it that they would like to unload some of them. There are some european playes that we could draft and let play in europe for another year or two. Guys like Rodique Beaubios, Victor Claver(who I really like) and Nando De Colo. These are guys that may not be NBA ready right now, but in a couple of years could be quite valuable. Either as additions to the team, or as pieces of a trade.

 

[Section 101]

I agree 100%, because there is no 110% of anything. Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. One of my pet peeves. That along with the word irregardless, which is not a word. Not a legal one anyway. But I digress. Being that were in a rebuild, why not just go full bore into the youth movement. For one thing, in a down economy, its a cheaper way to go. And the more young players you have, the better percentage of finding a few gems.

Portland has 4 second round picks and rumor has it that they would like to unload some of them. There are some european playes that we could draft and let play in europe for another year or two. Guys like Rodique Beaubios, Victor Claver(who I really like) and Nando De Colo. These are guys that may not be NBA ready right now, but in a couple of years could be quite valuable. Either as additions to the team, or as pieces of a trade.

Can I be honest with you? I hope your never fatally wounded.

Nick Calathes in he 2nd round ! Give him a year or 2 in greece.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I think that Casspi will be around at 23 for sure, but if you really want him, I wouldn't count of him being there at 31. I'm not saying its impossible, but its not a sure thing. Also, I think Wright still has a chance to be a good player in the league. I don't think he's really had a chance to shine. However, I agree on Armstrong.

There's been a lot of talk of overdrafting (Flynn, Holiday in the high lotto?, Lawson in the lotto?, and now Casspi as an early 20s pick?) that I never fully understood, but then again I make tons of wrong judgments--I thought JJ Hickson, Courtney Lee and George Hill were all overdrafted last year, and they all proved me wrong in some fashion. I like Casspi--he's a tough cookie who can rebound and do a little bit of everything offensively--but I've heard reports of a me-first mentality and a hothead temper in the past, but if you're looking past the intangibles there's raw budding talent (he's only 20). Let's just put it this way: would you really draft Casspi over a guy like Jeff Teague, Terrence Williams, James Johnson, or Austin Daye, if any one of them have their stock fall like a rock? Our 23rd pick is a potential hotbed spot (I've said in another thread #16-25 can have someone striking gold somewhere) and drafting Casspi there just seems...ill-advised because of that. He's not a guy who we really need because we don't really need a SF (as of now, unless we trade Noc or Garcia), so if we take him at #23 we're assuming he's the BPA at that slot, which he's not. I'd be more confident taking him at #31, and as I said, I think he'll fall there, unless NJ or the Spurs swoop in and make a trade for a late 1st rounder and take him. But I wouldn't lose sleep over that.

 

[VF21]

Maybe we could have a bake sale and pool our resources? I'd love to see David Stern stand up and announce:

"And with the 21st pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the collected members of kingsfans.com select..."

 

[Emma]

Maybe we could have a bake sale and pool our resources? I'd love to see David Stern stand up and announce:

"And with the 21st pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the collected members of kingsfans.com select..."

That would be totally awesome.

 

[bajaden]

Can I be honest with you? I hope your never fatally wounded.

Nick Calathes in he 2nd round ! Give him a year or 2 in greece.

Well, I was fatally wounded the other day, but my robot Kronus took me back to the ship, slapped on a couple of magicaids and Wa LA, good as new. Everything is back working at 110%, Errrr, make that 100%.

By the way, I like Calathes too, and yeah, he would be someone I would draft in the second round.

 

[bajaden]

There's been a lot of talk of overdrafting (Flynn, Holiday in the high lotto?, Lawson in the lotto?, and now Casspi as an early 20s pick?) that I never fully understood, but then again I make tons of wrong judgments--I thought JJ Hickson, Courtney Lee and George Hill were all overdrafted last year, and they all proved me wrong in some fashion. I like Casspi--he's a tough cookie who can rebound and do a little bit of everything offensively--but I've heard reports of a me-first mentality and a hothead temper in the past, but if you're looking past the intangibles there's raw budding talent (he's only 20). Let's just put it this way: would you really draft Casspi over a guy like Jeff Teague, Terrence Williams, James Johnson, or Austin Daye, if any one of them have their stock fall like a rock? Our 23rd pick is a potential hotbed spot (I've said in another thread #16-25 can have someone striking gold somewhere) and drafting Casspi there just seems...ill-advised because of that. He's not a guy who we really need because we don't really need a SF (as of now, unless we trade Noc or Garcia), so if we take him at #23 we're assuming he's the BPA at that slot, which he's not. I'd be more confident taking him at #31, and as I said, I think he'll fall there, unless NJ or the Spurs swoop in and make a trade for a late 1st rounder and take him. But I wouldn't lose sleep over that.

I would put Teague, Williams, Johnson, and Sam Young ahead of Casspi. Not sure about Daye, only because I think that Cassipi might be able to contribute before Daye could. Although Daye may have a bigger upside. However the point I was addressing was whether Casspi would be available at 31, not whether we would take him over those other players at 23. Of course anything is possible. I just don't think he'll be there at 31. I hope he is. I think he would be a good value at that spot.

 

[bajaden]

Maybe we could have a bake sale and pool our resources? I'd love to see David Stern stand up and announce:

"And with the 21st pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the collected members of kingsfans.com select..."

How about a chili bake off. I also make great potato salad. My shrimp bisque if pretty good too. And then of course there's my world renoun Pompano papillote. You just have to love the french. Doesn't that sound great. Just rolls off the tongue. It means fish cooked in parchment paper. Somehow that just doesn't sound as appetizing. For some reason I'm starting to get hungry..

 

[CiscoFo3]

As much as I like Noc....

As much as I like Noc, I would send him out along with Beno or KT for the 21st pick so we could get someone like Psycho T. (Hansboro). I think he would make for a really scrappy 3 and even encourage the rest of the young bigs to pick up some rebounds.

 

[Bricklayer]

As much as I like Noc, I would send him out along with Beno or KT for the 21st pick so we could get someone like Psycho T. (Hansboro). I think he would make for a really scrappy 3 and even encourage the rest of the young bigs to pick up some rebounds.

Hansboro is unlikely to ever be what Noc is today -- he projects as a roleplayer at best. And you are talking about dumping about $15mil in salary there (Noc+Beno or Noc+KT) on a team looking to shed salary. We'd have to take back...not even sure? The Peja anvil?

Now if you could convince them that they wanted Noc+KT (a descending contract and an ender) for Tyson Chandler + ? + the #21, there might be adeal there, but then it owuld stil be a waste to use it on aguy who was better in college than he will be as a pro.

 

[Kingster]

I would be much more surprised about the Maloofs buying the Hornets' #1 than I would them selling our 2nd round draft pick to the highest bidder.

To save the Maloofs $, I'd recommend trading Noc for a #1 and pocket the difference, after taking into account the cap restrictions.