Hill To Cavaliers per Woj
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This is why you dont sign these "win now vets" for big two year contracts. To get rid of a "good vet/mentor" signing we had to take in that Shumpert contract that will be 11mil wasted cap space next year. Not to mention that 12mil zbo contract for next year.
Kings could've had ~47 mil cap space next summer. It wouldve been tremendiously valuable since so few teams has space. Thats enough cap space to make a big signing and gain assets for clearing space for other teams. Could've been a huge offseason. This semi tanking is just incompetent. A good gm wouldnt have tried to please these impatient fans who for example thought that Brooklyns trade for Carrol was bad because it was "just a first and a second rounder".
We are rebuilding, we need to gather as much assets as possible. Vlade havent done that. A couple of decent trade backs in the draft but otherwise very poor use of cap space and bad job adding assets. We needed flexibility and draft picks, we got Zbo plus George Hill that turned into Iman Shumpert. 23million worth of cap space next year that should've been used smarter. Just awfull
Kings could've had ~47 mil cap space next summer. It wouldve been tremendiously valuable since so few teams has space. Thats enough cap space to make a big signing and gain assets for clearing space for other teams. Could've been a huge offseason. This semi tanking is just incompetent. A good gm wouldnt have tried to please these impatient fans who for example thought that Brooklyns trade for Carrol was bad because it was "just a first and a second rounder".
We are rebuilding, we need to gather as much assets as possible. Vlade havent done that. A couple of decent trade backs in the draft but otherwise very poor use of cap space and bad job adding assets. We needed flexibility and draft picks, we got Zbo plus George Hill that turned into Iman Shumpert. 23million worth of cap space next year that should've been used smarter. Just awfull
Joe Johnson, yes. Iman Shumpert, no, we shouldn't. He has a player option next year that we would have to pay out if we waived him. He'll almost certainly pick that up, but then we can include him as salary in a trade this summer, or something. Shumpert is a card we keep in our back pocket for now. Maybe we waive him next year, but now is a bad call.
Possibly! But it does allow you to be in the conversation with players. We had a go at Porter last off season and fell short. Rodney Hood is a RFA as is Aaron Gordon. There are a number of good FAs and not a lot teams with cap space.
What cap space allows you to do it also absorb a contract for a draft pick and its no secret that Kings want to get a pick in 2019 draft because they stupidly traded one away to dump some salary.
Having cap flexibility is a good thing for a team that is rebuilding. Keeping Hill would not be a good move because it decreases the value of the asset and takes away the playing time from Fox and Mason.
I don't mind what the team did today and that is despite hating a lot of the trades in the past. Papa is really no good but I am surprised that Vlade gave up on him this early. Malachii is OK but you already have Bogdan, Buddy and Jackson taking most of the time at 2 and 3.
People need to realise that we were never going to keep all the youngsters. We needed to make a choice on who we are going forward with and I think its pretty clear that we made that choice.
What cap space allows you to do it also absorb a contract for a draft pick and its no secret that Kings want to get a pick in 2019 draft because they stupidly traded one away to dump some salary.
Having cap flexibility is a good thing for a team that is rebuilding. Keeping Hill would not be a good move because it decreases the value of the asset and takes away the playing time from Fox and Mason.
I don't mind what the team did today and that is despite hating a lot of the trades in the past. Papa is really no good but I am surprised that Vlade gave up on him this early. Malachii is OK but you already have Bogdan, Buddy and Jackson taking most of the time at 2 and 3.
People need to realise that we were never going to keep all the youngsters. We needed to make a choice on who we are going forward with and I think its pretty clear that we made that choice.
Overall, I think we came out ahead today. I think one way to look at it is this:
Kings in:
Iman Shumpert
Bruno Cabocolo
Jakkar Sampson (Im assuming he gets the call-up?)
$15mil in cap space
Freedom for our young back-court
Kings out:
PapaGiannis
Malachi
George Hill
As far as the prospect swap goes, I'm actually fine with it if we actually call up Sampson and maybe give Bruno some minutes. Two flex players with great length and athleticism and the ability to play the 3/4 as "longshot" options is far more appealing to me than anything Papa or Malachi bring.
And if Vlade properly values this cap space time, it'll be a solid win for us. But getting that flexibility back is really important and it leaves us with a clean book with a ton of movable expiring deals next year
Kings in:
Iman Shumpert
Bruno Cabocolo
Jakkar Sampson (Im assuming he gets the call-up?)
$15mil in cap space
Freedom for our young back-court
Kings out:
PapaGiannis
Malachi
George Hill
As far as the prospect swap goes, I'm actually fine with it if we actually call up Sampson and maybe give Bruno some minutes. Two flex players with great length and athleticism and the ability to play the 3/4 as "longshot" options is far more appealing to me than anything Papa or Malachi bring.
And if Vlade properly values this cap space time, it'll be a solid win for us. But getting that flexibility back is really important and it leaves us with a clean book with a ton of movable expiring deals next year
I'd be a bit more specific than that. Barring a Shumpert opt-out we don't gain that much cap space in any given year (in fact we lose cap space this year though we come out ahead money-wise because of the cash included). $15.5M is the total net monetary savings we get from the deals we made today, but it is spread (unevenly) across three different years. Next year, which is the most relevant year for cap space concerns, we gain $9.5M in cap space.
So we didn't get Tristan Kardashian, we didn't have to send away anybody I really liked 
and we've got flexibility. In addition, we got rid of two young players who just weren't impressing. I'm very happy with this, even though I'll admit I have no idea who Bruno is.
and we've got flexibility. In addition, we got rid of two young players who just weren't impressing. I'm very happy with this, even though I'll admit I have no idea who Bruno is.
Today's moves were good.
It was the 2016 #13 that was bad. (The Hill signing is suspect)
The #22 pick in 2016 is TBA but was traded for another TBA prospect.
I'm actually pleased that the front office cut its 2016 #13 pick loses before it cost us anymore.
Now, don't screw up the draft like that again!
It was the 2016 #13 that was bad. (The Hill signing is suspect)
The #22 pick in 2016 is TBA but was traded for another TBA prospect.
I'm actually pleased that the front office cut its 2016 #13 pick loses before it cost us anymore.
Now, don't screw up the draft like that again!
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Yep, I think the same idea applies with Bruno: two guys who in theory fit exactly what everyone in the NBA is looking for: That 3/4 flex player who can switch on defense and stretch the floor. Certainly fine taking a look at both rather than investing more in Papa, who's clearly not close to an NBA talent and has very little upside to develop into a consistent rotation player in today's NBA
Pretty sure you can. One of the teams did it this year but for the life of me I cannot remember which team it was.
Basically, the way I understand it, if the 45 day thing expires for the player, then you either have to sign him for the rest of the year or release him. I think once smoking Joe is bought out, Sampson will be given a contract for the rest of the season at least.
Basically, the way I understand it, if the 45 day thing expires for the player, then you either have to sign him for the rest of the year or release him. I think once smoking Joe is bought out, Sampson will be given a contract for the rest of the season at least.
I think you can say you had two picks that were complete misses. Now to be fair, I would guess the Kings agree as the fired their director of scouting mid-season which is highly unusual but as the GM Vlade has to share some of the blame.
My issue is more however the constant change of direction. Sign George Hill then trade him for nothing 6 months later. Draft Pappa as a project and cut him 18 months into his pro career. You knew he was a project when you drafted him!!
The Kings are just reinforcing the perception of a rudderless ship and as GM that is Vlade’s fault.
My issue is more however the constant change of direction. Sign George Hill then trade him for nothing 6 months later. Draft Pappa as a project and cut him 18 months into his pro career. You knew he was a project when you drafted him!!
The Kings are just reinforcing the perception of a rudderless ship and as GM that is Vlade’s fault.
Is this what you were thinking of?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...suns-get-regular-contract-having-two-way-deal
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...suns-get-regular-contract-having-two-way-deal
How long have you been a Kings Fan? Those of us who have been here since the 90’s or longer realize Sacramento is not a free agent destination. So you have to use your cap space to acquire assets and then draft well. When we had Jeff we did draft well and went to the play-offs. Pinning your hopes on free agency is a mirage.