Hickson and Dally For Bosh?

[tevans13]

I Don't think this was posted anywhere on the site. If it is it can be closed. I really don't think there is any truth to it. But it is something to look at and frankly Id like it to happen. And I don't think it'll happen for many reasons and one would be that we haven't signed Dally yet. In no way am I saying these sites are credible at all btw. With the lockout and everything going on it wouldn't hurt to talk about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ngs?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://sports.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979603069

 

[mr. moustache]

I Don't think this was posted anywhere on the site. If it is it can be closed. I really don't think there is any truth to it. But it is something to look at and frankly Id like it to happen. And I don't think it'll happen for many reasons and one would be that we haven't signed Dally yet. In no way am I saying these sites are credible at all btw. With the lockout and everything going on it wouldn't hurt to talk about.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ngs?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://sports.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979603069

I don't like Bosh's face or his game, but that's a team with a lot of talent. I'd still prefer Sam at 1/2 Bosh's salary, but who knows; he could command 10m a year.

 

[Return To Glory]

I don't like Bosh's face or his game, but that's a team with a lot of talent. I'd still prefer Sam at 1/2 Bosh's salary, but who knows; he could command 10m a year.

How can you not like this face, mr. moustache?

Seriously though, I'm not sure what kind of fit Bosh would be for this team.

 

[est.1999]

Bleacherreport= fail

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I like Bosh but i don't like his salary and i'm not sure how he'd fit on the team if Cousins is supposed to be the PF.

 

[SacKings7]

I can only assume that LeBron James wrote this article

 

[Asaf]

Some guy writes a far-fetched not-happening-a-million-years trade suggestion, then some other guy writes a column in some crappy website calling the trade suggestion a "rumor". A thread gets made on kingsfans.com...

 

[Dime Dropper]

It's obviously BS, but I wouldn't do that trade. I have a strong dislike for Bosh and his whiney a**, and that's putting it nicely.

 

[Spike]

NO NO NO.

Btw, bleacherreport is not a credible news source. It's full of schmoes with (often times) no journalistic experience blogging whatever floats their boat. I know this to be true. Everyone once in a while you get someone who knows someone, and the benefit IS that you get people who can do an analysis of the local team better than the national media could, but that's about it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Some guy writes a far-fetched not-happening-a-million-years trade suggestion, then some other guy writes a column in some crappy website calling the trade suggestion a "rumor". A thread gets made on kingsfans.com...

Exactly. The "power" of the internet. In 20 years when the last of the legit media has died off, nobody is going to know what the hell is going on because there are no standards.

Here's the key line at the end fo the original "article":

Overall, this trade probably has almost no chance of happening, but it would improve both teams and fill the needs of the teams.

Which is the standard this was a waste of time disclaimer most of these failed hihg school newspaper types stick at the end of their little rants. Seriously, bleacherreport stories are rarely of anymore quality than a standard post on this board.

Then its picked up by this guy:

Just a guy who loves sports and is passionate about the teams I follow. Just got back into the writing thing and hope you all enjoy it. If you don't agree, send me your own opinion.

over on another apparently similar website.

Then it makes its way here, and frankly we're probably more credible than either of the other sites, so somebody will see the thread title here, and post the question someplace else...


I remember a couple of years ago when we actualy had a rumor loop. Somebody started it here, it went out into cyberspace, got picked up on realgm, and then somebody posted the realgm link as proof that the original link here was legit. Crazy.

 

[tevans13]

NO NO NO.

Btw, bleacherreport is not a credible news source. It's full of schmoes with (often times) no journalistic experience blogging whatever floats their boat. I know this to be true. Everyone once in a while you get someone who knows someone, and the benefit IS that you get people who can do an analysis of the local team better than the national media could, but that's about it.

Well if you read my post I believe I said they weren't credible.

 

[tevans13]

Bleacherreport= fail

I realize bleacher report isn't credible. Would it not be something just to talk about?

 

[kupman]

Exactly. The "power" of the internet. In 20 years when the last of the legit media has died off, nobody is going to know what the hell is going on because there are no standards.

I think that day has already arrived.

The "legit media" has pretty much sold-out and has become part of the gossip/rumor machine. Unfortunately, this is an issue well beyond the sports world.

Sorry to digress, please carry on.

 

[mr. moustache]

I don't think anyone suggested it's a credible rumor. The merits of the deal remain. Assuming Sac is interested, can Miami do better? They shed salary(depending on Sam's contract), add shotblocking/defense, and get a young starting PF.

Under the current CBA, it's probably a non-starter for Miami since the talent on this deal is pretty lopsided, but I don't think this one is totally unrealistic.

That said, if I'm Miami, I trade Lebron for Howard and count my rings.

 

[Spike]

Well if you read my post I believe I said they weren't credible.

Linking to the BR adds "credibility" through the hits that they get. I'm all for analysis about local teams by local kids, but that's about it.

I get that it's TDOS, but if you want to throw your support for this, you could at least mention why you think it would be a good trade.

FTR, I think it's a terrible idea - a way for Miami to get the guy they want from Sacramento. Bosh isn't going anywhere, and I've made it clear (not to you, but others) why I don't think he'd fit this team. Not enough defense. We need defense from our SF and our C, because most of the points will come from the other 3 positions, as our team currently stands.

 

[bajaden]

I like Bosh but i don't like his salary and i'm not sure how he'd fit on the team if Cousins is supposed to be the PF.

Obviously the only reason Cousins is listed as a PF is out of the necessity of having to play Dalembert along side of him. In reality, in most cases Dalembert guarded the PF's anyway, so you could call either of them whatever you wanted. In my humble opinion, Cousins is a center and in a perfect world, thats where he should play. So if we were to aquire Bosh, which is highly unlikely, Cousins would move back to his normal position

 

[bajaden]

I don't think anyone suggested it's a credible rumor. The merits of the deal remain. Assuming Sac is interested, can Miami do better? They shed salary(depending on Sam's contract), add shotblocking/defense, and get a young starting PF.

Under the current CBA, it's probably a non-starter for Miami since the talent on this deal is pretty lopsided, but I don't think this one is totally unrealistic.

That said, if I'm Miami, I trade Lebron for Howard and count my rings.

Trading Lebron for Howard would be ironic poetic justice. Think of the pain Lebron would have to go through watching the Heat win world championships from his view in Orlando.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

As an aside, the dude looks like Landau Eugene Murphy, Jr.

As for the trade itself, this would be highway robbery for us. Dalembert is perenially understated but he's a free agent, and Hickson is talented but some might argue overrated depending on perspective. Bosh has his faults, including an alarming ability to disappear within games when he's not a primary option, but he got better as the season progressed, and he's widely assumed to be at least a 18-8 threat.

 

[Bricklayer]

, and he's widely assumed to be at least a 18-8 threat.

Which is about the last thing this team needs.

A trade where eveybody loses? Possibly. Find me enough balls for Reke, Cousins, Bosh and Thornton, not to mention Jimmer and Salmons. People are silly, including this writer.

 

[nebs]

How can you not like this face, mr. moustache?

Seriously though, I'm not sure what kind of fit Bosh would be for this team.

 

[Asaf]

I don't think anyone suggested it's a credible rumor. The merits of the deal remain. Assuming Sac is interested, can Miami do better? They shed salary(depending on Sam's contract), add shotblocking/defense, and get a young starting PF.

Under the current CBA, it's probably a non-starter for Miami since the talent on this deal is pretty lopsided, but I don't think this one is totally unrealistic.

That said, if I'm Miami, I trade Lebron for Howard and count my rings.

If I'm Miami I do this in a heartbeat, but if I'm Orlando not so much. Even though on paper it's the best value they can get for Howard, they would be dooming themselves to at least five years where the furthest they can possibly get would be the ECF. No one will be able to stop a team with Wade, Howard, and Bosh. At least not in the East, and Certainly not LeFLop with what they have in Orlando right now.

 

[Sluggah]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like such a trade would make Miami better.

 

[mr. moustache]

Which is about the last thing this team needs.

A trade where eveybody loses? Possibly. Find me enough balls for Reke, Cousins, Bosh and Thornton, not to mention Jimmer and Salmons. People are silly, including this writer.

Again, I would prefer Sam @ 8m over Bosh @ 16m, but why would you worry about getting shots for Thorton, Jimmer, and Salmons? The Sacramento Kings are a bad team, stockpiling mismatched talent isn't the worst thing they should do.

The obvious valuable piece we're giving up in this hypothetical is the cap space. I'd prefer using it for deals like the Collisen/Maynor trades, but it's a very valuable piece. Under the previous CBA, our capspace would be valuable. In a new CBA I'd be shocked if it wasn't more valuable.

If I'm Miami, I probably take this deal. That said, I did say I didn't like his face, so that could be affecting my GM skills.

 

[Bricklayer]

Again, I would prefer Sam @ 8m over Bosh @ 16m, but why would you worry about getting shots for Thorton, Jimmer, and Salmons? The Sacramento Kings are a bad team, stockpiling mismatched talent isn't the worst thing they should do.

The obvious valuable piece we're giving up in this hypothetical is the cap space. I'd prefer using it for deals like the Collisen/Maynor trades, but it's a very valuable piece. Under the previous CBA, our capspace would be valuable. In a new CBA I'd be shocked if it wasn't more valuable.

If I'm Miami, I probably take this deal. That said, I did say I didn't like his face, so that could be affecting my GM skills.

a) the Kings are a young team, there is a difference

b) and no, there are not many worse things they can doi in this offseason, an offseason when they are looking at returning to competitiveness, then stockpiling mismatched talent. You know what happens to a $16mil offensive player when he's put into a situation where there is tremendous competition for shots? He becomes a bad contract. An unmoveable contract. Meanwhile he pisses off and stunts the growth of all your youth, and ruins their value too. We do NOT need more guys who are primarily shooters or scorers. Not this year. Not anymore.

 

[The Hammer]

Crappy trade. Wouldn't do it. Rather sign Dally.

 

[Tetsujin]

Some guy writes a far-fetched not-happening-a-million-years trade suggestion, then some other guy writes a column in some crappy website calling the trade suggestion a "rumor". A thread gets made on kingsfans.com...

That is sadly how the majority of "trade rumors" work.

I miss basketball

 

[mr. moustache]

a) the Kings are a young team, there is a difference

b) and no, there are not many worse things they can doi in this offseason, an offseason when they are looking at returning to competitiveness, then stockpiling mismatched talent. You know what happens to a $16mil offensive player when he's put into a situation where there is tremendous competition for shots? He becomes a bad contract. An unmoveable contract. Meanwhile he pisses off and stunts the growth of all your youth, and ruins their value too. We do NOT need more guys who are primarily shooters or scorers. Not this year. Not anymore.

They've been a bad young team for a while now. We need talent and you take talent where you can get it. Evans and Cousins are extraordinarily talented, but they aren't sure things.

Bosh is a career 20/9 guy and he's making 14.5m this year. That's an asset, not an unmovable contract. If he's competing with Jimmer, Salmons, and Thorton for shots; Petrie and the coach isn't doing his job. If those guys aren't doing their jobs, we're screwed regardless.

If I knew we were definitely losing Sammy; I'd probably make this trade. Doing so makes Bosh your 1st or 2nd option. Thorton and Salmons wouldn't be a good fit next to those guys, so we'd need to make more moves.

 

[mac]

They've been a bad young team for a while now. We need talent and you take talent where you can get it. Evans and Cousins are extraordinarily talented, but they aren't sure things.

Bosh is a career 20/9 guy and he's making 14.5m this year. That's an asset, not an unmovable contract. If he's competing with Jimmer, Salmons, and Thorton for shots; Petrie and the coach isn't doing his job. If those guys aren't doing their jobs, we're screwed regardless.

If I knew we were definitely losing Sammy; I'd probably make this trade. Doing so makes Bosh your 1st or 2nd option. Thorton and Salmons wouldn't be a good fit next to those guys, so we'd need to make more moves.

The issue is that if we make Bosh a primary scorer, we take away a large part of what Thornton, Jimmer, Cousins and Tyreke bring to the table. It's not like those 4 guys are defensive stalwarts who excel at setting other guys up, in which case it would be easy to just add a scorer and tell them to stop scoring. So that would make them useless.

 

[mr. moustache]

The issue is that if we make Bosh a primary scorer, we take away a large part of what Thornton, Jimmer, Cousins and Tyreke bring to the table. It's not like those 4 guys are defensive stalwarts who excel at setting other guys up, in which case it would be easy to just add a scorer and tell them to stop scoring. So that would make them useless.

I guess I assumed people understood what I meant by stockpile talent. Stockpiling is a means to the end. The end is a balanced roster. Starting the phantom 2011 season with Bosh, Tyreke, Cousins, Salmons, and Throton as your starters would be a recipe for a disappointing season.

If Tyreke, Cousins, and Bosh are on the same team, your SF and other guard have to be role-playing defenders. Jimmer, Thorton, and Salmons are not those guys. Jimmer and Thorton do have value in this league though, so moves could be made.

Trade speculation right now is definitely pointless though. Sam and Thorton @ 6m ea are > Bosh @ 15m. Sam and Thorton at 10m ea are < Bosh @ 15m.

 

[mac]

I guess I assumed people understood what I meant by stockpile talent. Stockpiling is a means to the end. The end is a balanced roster. Starting the phantom 2011 season with Bosh, Tyreke, Cousins, Salmons, and Throton as your starters would be a recipe for a disappointing season.

If Tyreke, Cousins, and Bosh are on the same team, your SF and other guard have to be role-playing defenders. Jimmer, Thorton, and Salmons are not those guys. Jimmer and Thorton do have value in this league though, so moves could be made.

Trade speculation right now is definitely pointless though. Sam and Thorton @ 6m ea are > Bosh @ 15m. Sam and Thorton at 10m ea are < Bosh @ 15m.

So you agree that we'd have to make trades to get rid of some of our main, talented guys right? Then are we really stockpiling talent? IMO you're moving laterally more than anything.