Hey Vivek, I miss playoff basketball!

[VF21]

My question was for the previous poster. Plus if some that did do have an opinion on the subject id like to hear from them directly, but thanks for being their mommy and speaking for them. IMO, experience at the youth and amateur level is quite a different schema than when you play for profit and represent an entire paying fan base.

So is that a no?

If you paid attention, you'd know who they are. But thanks for the attempt at condescending sarcasm.

 

[andjel]

If Malone was not fired, and Kings had a good season, I doubt there will be 8 pages of mostly discontent about fellow allowing himself to do what he was doing for years while his team is gone fishing.

 

[rhythmless]

If Malone was not fired, and Kings had a good season, I doubt there will be 8 pages of mostly discontent about fellow allowing himself to do what he was doing for years while his team is gone fishing.

You're right on the money.

Vivek was gifted 234238723498 benefit of the doubt credits for "saving" the Kings. We got a new arena, we kept the Kings. We got an owner that wasn't a Maloof. Honestly, you could do no wrong in that position. Sac fans are easy as hell to pacify. The sheer amount of goodwill should have lasted longer than Sacramento itself, not barely longer than a celebrity wedding. But Vivek spent it at a quick pace with weird moves. Some fans were wary, but he still was still ok. Until he decided to blow it all on firing Malone, then go into goodwill debt trying to play politician instead of owning up to it.

So where a little warriors playoff game would not normally have done much, he's already morally bankrupt with so many of us.

 

[Albatros]

Morally bankrupt. Good grief.

I don't like seeing the owner at warrior games. I cringed. But morally bankrupt....

 

[jdbraver]

So is that a no?

If you paid attention, you'd know who they are. But thanks for the attempt at condescending sarcasm.

That is a no, but I'm not sure of your point? I never claimed to be. I simply asked if his opinion was based on his experience with professional sports. You see when you don't illustrate with an apples to apples example it doesn't exactly apply. Now that has nothing to do with me.
Second, at no point did I say I was seeking anyone w professional experience. I surely would welcome their opinion and I'm sure if they wanted to offer it they wouldn't need you to post for them. Have a nice day.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Well, its been reported that Vlade only answers to Vivek, and thus, everyone else answers to Vlade. At least on the basketball operations side. So my guess is that the buck stops with Vlade. Now how much leeway PDA has is up for grabs. By that, I mean can he just up and trade a player, or does he have to clear it through Vlade. When Petrie was here, he had to clear everything through the president of the team. Of course Petrie was also the president of the team, so that was fairly simple. Frankly, I care more about the results than I do who to throw rocks at. If the Kings walk away from the draft with a good choice, I don't care who made the decision, which in most cases is a combination of voices.

I agree that the best way the FO can clear up concerns about their process is to generate better results!

If we're going to speculate about the FO's process, though, I think a major factor is missing above - George Karl.

 

[rhythmless]

Morally bankrupt. Good grief.

I don't like seeing the owner at warrior games. I cringed. But morally bankrupt....

Maybe you can trust him, but I don't believe a thing he says anymore. Look at everything he says compared to his actions. They don't match up. He skirts issues instead of confronting them. He sends lackeys to subvert social media and forums, thinking he can outsmart the internet.

Morally bankrupt in the sports world. Yes. I stand by it.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Maybe you can trust him, but I don't believe a thing he says anymore. Look at everything he says compared to his actions. They don't match up. He skirts issues instead of confronting them. He sends lackeys to subvert social media and forums, thinking he can outsmart the internet.

Morally bankrupt in the sports world. Yes. I stand by it.

The level of hysteria on this site among some posters never ceases to amaze me

 

[PBNJ85]

#thisthreadisdead
#sharkjumped
#oncegotbusyinaburgerkingbathroom

 

[bajaden]

My question was for the previous poster. Plus if some that did do have an opinion on the subject id like to hear from them directly, but thanks for being their mommy and speaking for them. IMO, experience at the youth and amateur level is quite a different schema than when you play for profit and represent an entire paying fan base.

For people who play professional sports, the war ends as soon as you walk off the court, field etc. We wear two faces. Our everyday face, and the face when we compete. I knew players that were complete opposites on and off the field. True Dr. Jeckell and Mr. Hyde's. There are personal rivalries of course, other players you may dislike, but they have nothing to do with the team. I understand the fan mentality, but to a player, its first, doing something that he loves to do, and getting paid to do it. Secondly, its a professional job and needs to be treated as such. Third, don't get too caught up in love of team or city, because tomorrow you may be on a different team in a different city. Apparently fans want the owner to show loyalty to the city and the fans, while at the same time calling him an idiot, and whatever name comes to mind. If I'm out in center field and a fan out there is riding my butt, calling me names, I'm not going to go to bat thinking I'm going to hit a home run for that guy. Loyalty is a two way street. It's easy to be loyal when everything is going great, but truly loyal fans don't jump ship like rats when the going gets tough.

Criticism if fine, but character assassination crosses the line in my opinion, and it's apparently, just my opinion. If someone wanted to criticize my batting average, or my play in the field, that was fair game. But if they started calling me an idiot, or in Vivek's case, dishonorable, that's an entirely different story. I do my best to talk to and about people on the forum as though I was face to face with them. It's too easy to sit in the privacy of your home and type disrespectful things about people. I'm a believer in living in the moment, but I also believe that you don't forget past history. Vivek is the man that saved the Kings. Yes he had help, but he put his money where his mouth is. I agree that it doesn't automatically excuse future mistakes, but those mistakes shouldn't remove earned respect. Feel free to criticize him for mistakes, but don't disrespect him. There is a difference. I'll listen to anyone that's critical of me, but I quit listening as soon as you disrespect me.

I think the biggest mistake that Vivek made, was listening to the wrong people. People from another organization or organizations that at the moment appeared successful, and who he thought were part of the success. He was wrong, and on the surface, it appears that he knows he was wrong. He doesn't strike me as a mia culpa type guy. Probably didn't have to be in his business world. No reporters hanging around looking for any mistake he might make. As Mark Cuban found out, the NBA is like living in a fish bowl. Everything you do and say is observed and analysed. He's learning that the hard way. I'm not excusing his mistakes, but I understand them.

 

[dude12]

I've been reading this thread and have avoided commenting in it.....but I'm more in the middle of the spectrum of posts. I don't believe he's morally bankrupt and I don't think it's ok for him to be at the Warriors game. There has been mistakes made by him in ownership and I hope he's learning from them. Him showing up in the Warriors arena is a mistake in that he really does need to distance himself from the Warriors association with everything that has happened to date.

The long time Kings fans of the team....if you cut them, they will bleed purple. A legitimate question.....does a new owner or ownership group automatically bleed purple when they acquire the franchise or does that only come with time and suffering?

 

[VF21]

A legitimate question.....does a new owner or ownership group automatically bleed purple when they acquire the franchise or does that only come with time and suffering?

I think that's a very legitimate question. Vivek was part of the NBA through the Warriors. He has a lot of ties with that region and organization. I think it will take him a while to develop the same ties in Sacramento, despite his new role as owner.

 

[bajaden]

I've been reading this thread and have avoided commenting in it.....but I'm more in the middle of the spectrum of posts. I don't believe he's morally bankrupt and I don't think it's ok for him to be at the Warriors game. There has been mistakes made by him in ownership and I hope he's learning from them. Him showing up in the Warriors arena is a mistake in that he really does need to distance himself from the Warriors association with everything that has happened to date.

The long time Kings fans of the team....if you cut them, they will bleed purple. A legitimate question.....does a new owner or ownership group automatically bleed purple when they acquire the franchise or does that only come with time and suffering?

Look, I can see that some people don't think he should have attended the Warrior game, and so they voice their displeasure. That's fine, but don't think that everyone shares their opinion, and that their opinion is necessarily the correct one. To be honest, I'm not sure you find out which is the correct one. From a PR point of view, considering the current circumstances on the team, it was probably a bad idea for him to be there, or at least to be in a place where he's visible to reporters and the public. I would bet you a dollar to a doughnut that he's totally unaware that it upset some people. Or was until he or someone read these posts. So if you want to be critical of his ignorance, that's fine, but not his intent.

I agree with whoever said he needs a good PR person. Someone with experience in the league, because its obvious that Vivek is very naive when it comes to the NBA. What works in Silicon Valley, doesn't work in the NBA. One would think that through his association with the Warriors, he would have learned something. A good PR guy would have probably advised him, that if he wanted to go to the game, fine, but go sit in the owners box where the camera can't find him. Don't present images that can be interpreted in a negative way. But as I said, to me, it wasn't a big deal.

 

[lawlman91]

Criticism if fine, but character assassination crosses the line in my opinion, and it's apparently, just my opinion. If someone wanted to criticize my batting average, or my play in the field, that was fair game. But if they started calling me an idiot, or in Vivek's case, dishonorable, that's an entirely different story. I do my best to talk to and about people on the forum as though I was face to face with them. It's too easy to sit in the privacy of your home and type disrespectful things about people. I'm a believer in living in the moment, but I also believe that you don't forget past history. Vivek is the man that saved the Kings. Yes he had help, but he put his money where his mouth is. I agree that it doesn't automatically excuse future mistakes, but those mistakes shouldn't remove earned respect. Feel free to criticize him for mistakes, but don't disrespect him. There is a difference. I'll listen to anyone that's critical of me, but I quit listening as soon as you disrespect me.

*Deep breath*

Criticism if fine, but character assassination crosses the line in my opinion, and it's apparently, just my opinion. If someone wanted to criticize my batting average, or my play in the field, that was fair game. But if they started calling me an idiot, or in Vivek's case, dishonorable, that's an entirely different story.

One thing that worries me is if you'll generalize all of those that criticize Vivek, or at those that believe that his actions are dishonorable, as people that take part in character assassination. I said in my post that what he did was dishonorable, not that he was dishonorable. Discussing whether or not his personality is dishonorable would have to take into account many, many instances -- this is a discussion which I do not want to participate in at the present moment, but might get into if the forum starts discussing it. However, it is possible to use this specific instance in order to add onto a person's collection of knowledge of actions done by Vivek, and then use that collection in order to make educated guesses about Vivek's values. Would I say he dishonorable? I won't go that far, not yet. But does he highly value honor? No, it doesn't look that way.

I do my best to talk to and about people on the forum as though I was face to face with them. It's too easy to sit in the privacy of your home and type disrespectful things about people.

It's not disrespectful to say that what he did is disrespectful, as some posters believe. Others may be disrespectful, but that's them. In their own way, they mess up their own honor.

I'm a believer in living in the moment, but I also believe that you don't forget past history. Vivek is the man that saved the Kings. Yes he had help, but he put his money where his mouth is. I agree that it doesn't automatically excuse future mistakes, but those mistakes shouldn't remove earned respect. Feel free to criticize him for mistakes, but don't disrespect him. There is a difference. I'll listen to anyone that's critical of me, but I quit listening as soon as you disrespect me.

Agreed. Disrespect as well as respect need to be deserved.

 

[Kingster]

Well, its been reported that Vlade only answers to Vivek, and thus, everyone else answers to Vlade. At least on the basketball operations side. So my guess is that the buck stops with Vlade. Now how much leeway PDA has is up for grabs. By that, I mean can he just up and trade a player, or does he have to clear it through Vlade. When Petrie was here, he had to clear everything through the president of the team. Of course Petrie was also the president of the team, so that was fairly simple. Frankly, I care more about the results than I do who to throw rocks at. If the Kings walk away from the draft with a good choice, I don't care who made the decision, which in most cases is a combination of voices.

Petrie used to do a lot of his own scouting, including europe. I don't know how much PDA gets out and actually watches college ball. I wonder if we have anyone over in europe right now with games going on over there. I'm hopeful that they do more than check draftexpress.

Committee decision making doesn't tend to produce good results, just a lot of a** covering and non-accountability, which this organization already oozes. Process does matter because it influences results. I have no confidence in this organization to draft correctly. A baboon throwing darts on a draftexpress board has as much chance as this organization to draft correctly. Hopefully, the baboon throws a bull's-eye in the next draft.

 

[bajaden]

Committee decision making doesn't tend to produce good results, just a lot of a** covering and non-accountability, which this organization already oozes. Process does matter because it influences results. I have no confidence in this organization to draft correctly. A baboon throwing darts on a draftexpress board has as much chance as this organization to draft correctly. Hopefully, the baboon throws a bull's-eye in the next draft.

Well I can't do anything about how you feel in regards to confidence about how decisions are made. But when it comes to the draft, all teams come to a conclusion by committee. By that, I mean everyone involved in the draft, the scouts, the GM, the president of operations, and the owner all get together and try to come to a decision on who is the best player to draft. Sometimes its easy, and other times if's probably difficult. But no one person can properly come to a conclusion. You can have two scouts watch a player and have both come to a different opinion. It may not be a huge difference, but it's different. I think what your getting at, is who is it that makes the final decision after getting everyone's opinion? My guess is that it will be Vlade, who will be influenced by Karl. And I don't have a problem with that.

I heard an interview with an NBC analyst talking about the Kings and the draft. He said that Karl wasn't interested in telling anyone who to draft. But he was interested in telling Vlade the kind of player he's looking for, and the positions he thinks need improving. He'll leave the, who fits that description, up to Vlade. Another interesting story he told was about Petrie and the Thomas Robinson draft. He said that Petrie was set to draft Damian Lillard, but the Maloofs came to him, and demanded he draft a PF. Interesting huh?

 

[SwishKing]

One thing that worries me is if you'll generalize all of those that criticize Vivek, or at those that believe that his actions are dishonorable, as people that take part in character assassination. I said in my post that what he did was dishonorable, not that he was dishonorable. Discussing whether or not his personality is dishonorable would have to take into account many, many instances -- this is a discussion which I do not want to participate in at the present moment, but might get into if the forum starts discussing it. However, it is possible to use this specific instance in order to add onto a person's collection of knowledge of actions done by Vivek, and then use that collection in order to make educated guesses about Vivek's values. Would I say he dishonorable? I won't go that far, not yet. But does he highly value honor? No, it doesn't look that way.

Maybe that's because he's a modern day billionaire and not a 16th century samurai. Are we really questioning people's honor over attending a basketball game? Some of you guys just take this crap too seriously.

 

[kingsnation]

FWIW - my sister and I went to the Kings/76ers game back in the last week of March. We got extremely lucky when we got our ticket scanned and walked into the arena and lo and behold, there is Vlade and Vivek just walking by and talking to fans.

So, naturally - we stopped and asked Vlade for a photo op. Vlade agreed and we got around him ready for the pic- myself, my sister and Vlade. Right before we took the pic- my sister was told this by Vivek: "I want in too."

....and he proceeded to get in the photo.

--

Take it for what it's worth. It was just a really odd, funny, fascinating and exciting moment.

I'm not really sure what to think of the experience but I guess I can scratch "an NBA Owner asking to be in my photo" off my bucket list.

 

[randymoss1881]

Watching the playoffs and we are in dire need of 3 point shooting. You just won't win without it how PDA can have 2 off seasons and not bring in shorting his mind boggling. With DMC being a defensive anchor I think we can get a stretch 4 which is vital. Even if it's to 17-20ft. If we do go foward with Gay at the 4 fine but we would need a SF that can shoot and play defense. Can't waist asserts on faried/lawson (I'm looking at you Karl) with so many needs.

I'd trade Nik/6 pick/JT for wilson chandler/ randy Foye. This trade gives us 2 great shooters and 1 of the is a very good defender. Nuggets are our perfect trade partners as long as we are getting there shooters I'd even say Gallanari too. This trade also does something a trade for lawson or faried can't do and that is leave us with cap space. JT/Nik/6pick would be 11.9 million next year while Foye/Chandler would be 10.3 million. That would put with 10 million of available cap space for FA after the trade.

With the cap space I'd give Darrel Arthur 8milliom per year.

Collison/ray
Mclemore/Foye
Chandler/casspi
Gay/Arhur/landry
Cousins/Moreland

We instantly become a good shooting team and more athletic.

 

[Kingster]

Well I can't do anything about how you feel in regards to confidence about how decisions are made. But when it comes to the draft, all teams come to a conclusion by committee. By that, I mean everyone involved in the draft, the scouts, the GM, the president of operations, and the owner all get together and try to come to a decision on who is the best player to draft. Sometimes its easy, and other times if's probably difficult. But no one person can properly come to a conclusion. You can have two scouts watch a player and have both come to a different opinion. It may not be a huge difference, but it's different. I think what your getting at, is who is it that makes the final decision after getting everyone's opinion? My guess is that it will be Vlade, who will be influenced by Karl. And I don't have a problem with that.

I heard an interview with an NBC analyst talking about the Kings and the draft. He said that Karl wasn't interested in telling anyone who to draft. But he was interested in telling Vlade the kind of player he's looking for, and the positions he thinks need improving. He'll leave the, who fits that description, up to Vlade. Another interesting story he told was about Petrie and the Thomas Robinson draft. He said that Petrie was set to draft Damian Lillard, but the Maloofs came to him, and demanded he draft a PF. Interesting huh?

The Petrie anecdote just supports what I want in this organization, which is one guy who has the final say on the draft and is very good at what he does. What we have now is an organization with no Petrie, but with a Maloof analogue - Vivek - leaving us with the worst of all possible worlds. Of course the chief personnel guy is going to have scouts advise him, but you've got to have a strong hand running the show, not some group-think committee in which people just a** kiss to keep their job. Shareef obviously was not interested in a** kissing. They should rehire him as GM and put Vivek on the boat to India during the draft.

 

[Livinthedream]

I think that's a very legitimate question. Vivek was part of the NBA through the Warriors. He has a lot of ties with that region and organization. I think it will take him a while to develop the same ties in Sacramento, despite his new role as owner.

FWIW, Vivek has been managing owner and figure head of the Kings for almost as long as he was a minority owner for the Warriors. The diference is a matter of months, not years. Even less time difference if you factor in when he actually became seriously involved in trying to purchae the team. So yeah, it is a good question about when does someone move on.

 

[Livinthedream]

Look, I can see that some people don't think he should have attended the Warrior game, and so they voice their displeasure. That's fine, but don't think that everyone shares their opinion, and that their opinion is necessarily the correct one. To be honest, I'm not sure you find out which is the correct one. From a PR point of view, considering the current circumstances on the team, it was probably a bad idea for him to be there, or at least to be in a place where he's visible to reporters and the public. I would bet you a dollar to a doughnut that he's totally unaware that it upset some people. Or was until he or someone read these posts. So if you want to be critical of his ignorance, that's fine, but not his intent.

I agree with whoever said he needs a good PR person. Someone with experience in the league, because its obvious that Vivek is very naive when it comes to the NBA. What works in Silicon Valley, doesn't work in the NBA. One would think that through his association with the Warriors, he would have learned something. A good PR guy would have probably advised him, that if he wanted to go to the game, fine, but go sit in the owners box where the camera can't find him. Don't present images that can be interpreted in a negative way. But as I said, to me, it wasn't a big deal.

The majority of people on KF who disagree with Vivek going to the Warriors game consider it bad PR and not necessarily the end of the world. Based on your previous posts, it seems like a couple of key words set you off, and that's fine. We all have our hot buttons. But careful not to lump all who don't like this into some category based on your hot button because it may not be as strong of a word to them as it is to you.

When a fan commits his time, money and emotions to a team and it doesn't appear that the owner is as committed, it can feel like a betrayal. How that betrayal feels, how they understand their emotions and how they choose to express it is up to them. If it feels dishonorable to someone, then that is how they processed the situation and I wouldn't call that character assassination.

I'm confident Vivek had no clue how his actions would appear from a PR standpoint and that is what is alarming to someone like me. I don't think he's an idiot or anything like that. I think he's out of touch and needs to get in touch really quickly or risk turning a lot of fans off. Because if his solution to seeing winning basketball is to go see a Warriors game, it won't be long before fans start getting the same idea.

 

[ParniValjak]

I've been largely staying out of this, but I think this simple little one liner sums it up pretty much.

Basically if I were the owner of the Warriors let's say, and the Kings made the playoffs and we did not, I would NOT show up or accept courtside seats from the Kings just out of respect for my fans. If I own a team I am that team's face. I never EVER want to be seen in a light as a little brother/weaker party to anyone. We're trying to smash these guys, not join them. If I ever did do something like that you can bet it would be for a single game, and accompanied by a blitz of "wanted to check out the playoff atmpsphere, planning to bring that home to you soon Warriors fans!" bravado. Its just unseemly.

Now in my case there would be no question about the competitiveness part. But with Vivek of course the additional factor is just the almost inescapable conclusion that this is kind of a geeky guy who discovered basketball maybe a decade ago, fell in with a cool crowd buying the Warriors, really had fun with the party atmosphere, and then got roped into buying the Kings where things are not as fun. So he starts showing up courtside with the Warriors its got the additional flavor of wannabeness to it.

Precisely! Given the fact that Vivek has tried to recreate Warriors with the Kings at every turn by brining in people that have been at some point involved with that franchise, this makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

After the most disasterous season in recent years where Vivek and people that he has empowered are the sole reasons for season turning so ugly where their actions have alienated their franchise player, the last thing he needed to do was sit courtside at the Warriors game of all teams. It just does not sit well at all, especially given his history with that franchise AND what has transpired THIS season because of his Golden State and Silicon Valley obsession.

This guys just keeps making mistakes and giving us more salesman bullcrap every time he shows his face in public. Smarten up Vivek and work your backside off in creating a team that would put Warriors to shame and not try to emulate them.

 

[sdballer]

Watching the playoffs and we are in dire need of 3 point shooting. You just won't win without it how PDA can have 2 off seasons and not bring in shorting his mind boggling. With DMC being a defensive anchor I think we can get a stretch 4 which is vital. Even if it's to 17-20ft. If we do go foward with Gay at the 4 fine but we would need a SF that can shoot and play defense. Can't waist asserts on faried/lawson (I'm looking at you Karl) with so many needs.

I'd trade Nik/6 pick/JT for wilson chandler/ randy Foye. This trade gives us 2 great shooters and 1 of the is a very good defender. Nuggets are our perfect trade partners as long as we are getting there shooters I'd even say Gallanari too. This trade also does something a trade for lawson or faried can't do and that is leave us with cap space. JT/Nik/6pick would be 11.9 million next year while Foye/Chandler would be 10.3 million. That would put with 10 million of available cap space for FA after the trade.

With the cap space I'd give Darrel Arthur 8milliom per year.

Collison/ray
Mclemore/Foye
Chandler/casspi
Gay/Arhur/landry
Cousins/Moreland

We instantly become a good shooting team and more athletic.

No offense but thats atrocious.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Well I can't do anything about how you feel in regards to confidence about how decisions are made. But when it comes to the draft, all teams come to a conclusion by committee. By that, I mean everyone involved in the draft, the scouts, the GM, the president of operations, and the owner all get together and try to come to a decision on who is the best player to draft. Sometimes its easy, and other times if's probably difficult. But no one person can properly come to a conclusion. You can have two scouts watch a player and have both come to a different opinion. It may not be a huge difference, but it's different. I think what your getting at, is who is it that makes the final decision after getting everyone's opinion? My guess is that it will be Vlade, who will be influenced by Karl. And I don't have a problem with that.

I heard an interview with an NBC analyst talking about the Kings and the draft. He said that Karl wasn't interested in telling anyone who to draft. But he was interested in telling Vlade the kind of player he's looking for, and the positions he thinks need improving. He'll leave the, who fits that description, up to Vlade. Another interesting story he told was about Petrie and the Thomas Robinson draft. He said that Petrie was set to draft Damian Lillard, but the Maloofs came to him, and demanded he draft a PF. Interesting huh?

Hindsight is 20/20. At the time we were still experimenting with Tyreke at pg and we had Isaiah Thomas and Aaron Brooks backing him up. PF was a bigger need at the time and Thomas Robinson was considered one of the safest bets in the drat. In fact I believe most mocks had him going in the top 3.

 

[Folsomkingsfan]

Watching the playoffs and we are in dire need of 3 point shooting. You just won't win without it how PDA can have 2 off seasons and not bring in shorting his mind boggling. With DMC being a defensive anchor I think we can get a stretch 4 which is vital. Even if it's to 17-20ft. If we do go foward with Gay at the 4 fine but we would need a SF that can shoot and play defense. Can't waist asserts on faried/lawson (I'm looking at you Karl) with so many needs.

I'd trade Nik/6 pick/JT for wilson chandler/ randy Foye. This trade gives us 2 great shooters and 1 of the is a very good defender. Nuggets are our perfect trade partners as long as we are getting there shooters I'd even say Gallanari too. This trade also does something a trade for lawson or faried can't do and that is leave us with cap space. JT/Nik/6pick would be 11.9 million next year while Foye/Chandler would be 10.3 million. That would put with 10 million of available cap space for FA after the trade.

With the cap space I'd give Darrel Arthur 8milliom per year.

Collison/ray
Mclemore/Foye
Chandler/casspi
Gay/Arhur/landry
Cousins/Moreland

We instantly become a good shooting team and more athletic.

Wow no offense but that trade is terrible. You're essentially giving up Nik Stauskas and 6 for Wilson Chandler.

Also I would say that Nik deserves at least one more year before we give up on him. His minutes fluctuated all year and with Cousins/Gay/McLemore taking the lions share of the shots he never really got a chance to develop a consistent role in the offense. He isn't error prone which is a good thing and usually looks to make the extra pass which is something no one on the Kings really does. I think our last game against the Lakers where he put up 14/5/5/2 on 3-4 shooting from 3 is way more indicative of the type of player he could be once he starts getting more involved.

 

[SacTownKid]

Chandler would be a good fit but indeed that value is way off. I'm not sure what Denver is going for moving forward but I think them blowing it up is real possibility. The Kings might be able to get him with as little as a future 2nd and a trade exception created with the Kings cap space this summer. Depending on who the Kings draft JT or Landry with Nik or Ben might be an option as well.

 

[randymoss1881]

No offense but thats atrocious.

Wow no offense but that trade is terrible. You're essentially giving up Nik Stauskas and 6 for Wilson Chandler.

Also I would say that Nik deserves at least one more year before we give up on him. His minutes fluctuated all year and with Cousins/Gay/McLemore taking the lions share of the shots he never really got a chance to develop a consistent role in the offense. He isn't error prone which is a good thing and usually looks to make the extra pass which is something no one on the Kings really does. I think our last game against the Lakers where he put up 14/5/5/2 on 3-4 shooting from 3 is way more indicative of the type of player he could be once he starts getting more involved.

You guys are right I forgot how Chandler trade value is low and it's his contract year. But I would do
Ben/6/JT for chandler/Gallanari

 

[dude12]

You guys are right I forgot how Chandler trade value is low and it's his contract year. But I would do
Ben/6/JT for chandler/Gallanari

I just don't think that makes us better and is more of a shuffling of assets. Ben has some reasonable value around the league due to youth, potential and low contract. The pick at 6 has very real value for much of the same reasons as Ben but a team can also pick who they want at 6 and there appears to be great potential there.

Gallo has that injury factor and he didn't look good to me last year....or at least not like he used to look.

 

[lawlman91]

Maybe that's because he's a modern day billionaire and not a 16th century samurai. Are we really questioning people's honor over attending a basketball game? Some of you guys just take this crap too seriously.

I don't expect him to be a 16th century samurai. In fact, I believe that the people making this bigger than it is are mores the ones saying that its bigger than it is. I think his attending the Warriors game is dishonorable as the owner of the Sacramento Kings, especially considering the state of the franchise. That's that, and many people would agree.

This event itself not a big deal, but this is one of the instances that makes me feel more uneasy about Vivek's future decision making.