Heroes and Villains Round 3 The Guardians vs. The Invaders

[Jespher]

Heroes vs. Villains Playoffs Round 3 (The Elite Eight)

H2 vs. V3
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H4 vs. V1

(H2) NoBonus vs (V3) Spike

(H4) NME vs (V1) Lowenherz

NoBonus: Dream Force Voltron: Defenders of the Universe
1.14 Martian Manhunter
2.03 Green Lantern
3.14 Mr. Fantastic
4.03 Voltron
5.14 Jeannie
6.03 Paul Atreides

vs.

Spike - The Deciders
1. Darth Vader - Star Wars
2. Megatron - Transformers
3. The Hobgoblin - Marvel Comics
4. Sephiroth - Final Fantasy
5. General Zod - Superman
6. Trogdor the Burninator - Homestar Runner/Strong Bad Email

and

NME - The Round Table
1.08 Dr. Manhattan
2.09 Dr. Fate
3.08 Mr. Majestic
4.09 Ion
5.08 Psylocke
6.09 Isis

vs.

Löwenherz
1. Cthulhu - The Call of Cthulhu
2. Diablo, Lord of Terror - Diablo
3. Alma Wade - F.E.A.R.
4. Chernabog - Disney's Fantasia
5. The Shrike - Hyperion Cantos
6. Eris, Goddess of Discord - Greek Mythology

 

[Jespher]

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Please feel free to explain your voting rationale here.

 

[Jespher]

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=626161&postcount=527Voltron vs. Megatron! Vader Vs. Paul Atreides! Nice

Dr. Manhattan vs. The Shrike! Dr. Fate vs. Diablo! Nice

 

[Warhawk]

These matchups are getting tough.....

 

[Jerryaki]

it was way too confusing in the earlier rounds, i was waiting for it to whittle down to a few.

 

[NoBonus]

NoBonus: Dream Force Voltron: Defenders of the Universe
1.14 Martian Manhunter
2.03 Green Lantern
3.14 Mr. Fantastic
4.03 Voltron
5.14 Jeannie
6.03 Paul Atreides

vs.

Spike - The Deciders
1. Darth Vader - Star Wars
2. Megatron - Transformers
3. The Hobgoblin - Marvel Comics
4. Sephiroth - Final Fantasy
5. General Zod - Superman
6. Trogdor the Burninator - Homestar Runner/Strong Bad Email


Let's see individual matchups:

Voltron defeats Megatron (Megatron is tough, but not tough enough for Voltron)

Martian Manhunter defeats General Zod (Manhunter has the same plus additional powers to Superman, who dispatched Zod)

Paul Atreides defeats Darth Vader (Really not as close a contest as one would think... Paul can kill with a word)

Mr. Fantastic defeats Hobgoblin (Hobgoblin is just goon who stole the Green Goblin's technology; Mr. Fantastic has a distinct advantage that he can understand the technology and find solutions; Hobgoblin is a one-trick-pony)

Green Lantern defeats Sephiroth (Sephiroth just does not stand a chance against Hal Jordan's expert use of Green Lantern powers)

Jeannie defeats Trogdor (Jeannie just gives a nod and <blink> Trogdor finds himself inside the center of the sun... )


Team Matchup:

Housed inside Voltron and attacking as Dream Force Voltron, this rag tag bunch has no chance to escape. Paul can see and select the future, Mr. Fantastic can drive, Jeannie can immediately blink any characters without some sort of powerful psychic abilities into the sun (and this team has no psychic abilities to speak of), Green Lantern can inbue Voltron with all of the Lantern Powers, and Martian Manhunter can clean up any leftovers.

Seriously, Spike's complete lack of Psychic powers or world dominating super powers makes his team crumble under Dream Force Voltron's feet.

 

[EndGame]

Yeah, the Spike vs. NoBonus matchup is really no contest... Voltron crushes Megatron and the rest without any trouble.

 

[Spike]

Yeah, the Spike vs. NoBonus matchup is really no contest... Voltron crushes Megatron and the rest without any trouble.

You're kidding, right? Darth Vader would separate Voltron with the force, allowing the pieces to be easily destroyed. In fact, General Zod could probably rip Voltron apart limb from limb himself.
Don't think my villains are as dumb as the general variety Voltron faced every week. We will not sit around and wait for Voltron to be formed.

That, and you must not be aware that Trogdor cannot be defeated. He comes in the night. Jeannie will wake up to a pile of burnination.


..and how useful is that yellow sun going to be for the Green Lantern? Just sayin'.

Paul Atreides defeats Darth Vader (Really not as close a contest as one would think... Paul can kill with a word)

It's hard to talk when you're being force-choked.

Ultimately, my team's evil will overcome what good is left. Somewhere, one of your heroes will be compelled to show mercy during a pivotal point in the battle. That will be its undoing.

 

[jalfa]

I see a problem for NME, when Dr. Manhattan is faced with Eris. He has been manipulated before, by a mere mortal even, I think Eris will have no problem getting her claws in his mind. I'll reserve judgement though, until both teams have had their rationale posted.

 

[NoBonus]

NME - The Round Table
1.08 Dr. Manhattan
2.09 Dr. Fate
3.08 Mr. Majestic
4.09 Ion
5.08 Psylocke
6.09 Isis

vs.

Löwenherz
1. Cthulhu - The Call of Cthulhu
2. Diablo, Lord of Terror - Diablo
3. Alma Wade - F.E.A.R.
4. Chernabog - Disney's Fantasia
5. The Shrike - Hyperion Cantos
6. Eris, Goddess of Discord - Greek Mythology

Where to even start?

Eris vs. Isis? Alma Wade vs. Psylocke?

I think if you look at these teams, the "Round Table" is all about psychic abilities with one "Superman" and Loenherz team is more well rounded, but extremely thick in black magic... so which one wins, Black Magic or Psychic abilities?

Let's look at the heavies.

Dr. Manhatten versus Diablo... if Dr. Manhatten wins, Diablo would essentially take over Dr. Manhatten's abilites which means doom for the Round Table. If Dr. Manhatten loses, no one else on the team is powerful enough to defeat Diablo and if they did, Diablo would just take their powers. I think best case scenario, Diablo fights and defeats Dr. Fate, but even then, the scales are tipped. The other battles are relatively inconsequential to me. Diablo is a heavy that, should Dr. Manhatten fight Diablo, Diablo wins regardless the outcome. Really a mind bender to see how anyone could defeat Diablo, except, maybe, Dream Force Voltron... but we will save that for later.

I do not have the mental powers to do the rest of the matchups... too many heavies on Lowenherz team.

 

[NoBonus]

You're kidding, right? Darth Vader would separate Voltron with the force, allowing the pieces to be easily destroyed.

If vader had force powers enough to do that, why did a giant space battle ensue in which the Empire was destroyed? All he would have had to do is break the vacuum seal in the cockpits of the starfighters to kill them all or break a hole in a ship... but he did not do that. You are vastly overstating Vaders powers or Vader is really, really dumb.

In fact, General Zod could probably rip Voltron apart limb from limb himself.

Two words: Martian Manhunter.

Don't think my villains are as dumb as the general variety Voltron faced every week. We will not sit around and wait for Voltron to be formed.

That is why Voltron is now piloted not by kids, but by the great mind Mr. Fantastic... and you suspect my heroes would wait for Megatron to transform? Sounds like an old addage about a pot and a kettle.

That, and you must not be aware that Trogdor cannot be defeated. He comes in the night. Jeannie will wake up to a pile of burnination.

He may not be able to be defeated (which is completely untrue), but he will have a hard time swimming back through space after Voltron chucks him across the galaxy.

Ultimately, my team's evil will overcome what good is left. Somewhere, one of your heroes will be compelled to show mercy during a pivotal point in the battle. That will be its undoing.

Mercy is an interesting thing... That is why I have Paul in charge.. he lacks mercy and he is a killer, heck his name is a killing word... under Paul's supervision, your team will not be captured, but killed... immediately.

 

[Jespher]

Dr. Manhatten versus Diablo... if Dr. Manhatten wins, Diablo would essentially take over Dr. Manhatten's abilites which means doom for the Round Table. If Dr. Manhatten loses, no one else on the team is powerful enough to defeat Diablo and if they did, Diablo would just take their powers. I think best case scenario, Diablo fights and defeats Dr. Fate, but even then, the scales are tipped. The other battles are relatively inconsequential to me. Diablo is a heavy that, should Dr. Manhatten fight Diablo, Diablo wins regardless the outcome. Really a mind bender to see how anyone could defeat Diablo, except, maybe, Dream Force Voltron... but we will save that for later.

Dr. Manhattan would only have to destroy Diablo's soul stone instead of putting it into his head. That seems like a no brainer there, and with his energy control, and his command over physics, I'm sure he could pull that off. Plus, he could just teleport himself to hell, and use the Hell Forge Hammer himself to do it (with an assist from Dr. Fate).

 

[NoBonus]

Dr. Manhattan would only have to destroy Diablo's soul stone instead of putting it into his head. That seems like a no brainer there, and with his energy control, and his command over physics, I'm sure he could pull that off. Plus, he could just teleport himself to hell, and use the Hell Forge Hammer himself to do it (with an assist from Dr. Fate).

I hear that... however, Dr. Manhatten tends to give in to temptation... and the soul stone would be extremely tempting to him.

 

[NoBonus]

I thought you said this guy was invincible... guess not.

Found this great photo of Sephiroth, too.

 

[NME]

I think if you look at these teams, the "Round Table" is all about psychic abilities with one "Superman" and Loenherz team is more well rounded, but extremely thick in black magic... so which one wins, Black Magic or Psychic abilities?

What are you talking about? My team is as well-rounded as is possible. Psylocke is the only pyschic. I also have magical mastery, matter control, energy control, nature control, and three members with Superman-type powersets to boot. A matchup like this is where Dr. Fate's vast arcane knowledge comes into play. He knows the weaknesses of supernatural and demonic opponents and can direct his team on a plan of attack.

 

[NoBonus]

What are you talking about? My team is as well-rounded as is possible. Psylocke is the only pyschic. I also have magical mastery, matter control, energy control, nature control, and three members with Superman-type powersets to boot. A matchup like this is where Dr. Fate's vast arcane knowledge comes into play. He knows the weaknesses of supernatural and demonic opponents and can direct his team on a plan of attack.

Sorry, your team is well rounded unless actual hand to hand combat is involved. It is mostly mind powers; less about actual fighting.

 

[kingsnation]

You're kidding, right? Darth Vader would separate Voltron with the force, allowing the pieces to be easily destroyed.

...

It's hard to talk when you're being force-choked.

I have to agree with you here. It seems that The Force is greatly misunderstood and/or undervalued sometimes.

 

[NME]

Sorry, your team is well rounded unless actual hand to hand combat is involved. It is mostly mind powers; less about actual fighting.

Not really. Majestic is a Superman type. Ion is a Superman, plus a deluxe Green Lantern. Isis is a Captain Marvel type in addition to her weather and nature control powers.

 

[NME]

I hear that... however, Dr. Manhatten tends to give in to temptation... and the soul stone would be extremely tempting to him.

Dr. Manhattan is pretty much the direct opposite of being prone to getting drunk with power. How is he prone to temptation? If anything, the struggle is in keeping him connected to human emotion.

 

[Warhawk]

I have to agree with you here. It seems that The Force is greatly misunderstood and/or undervalued sometimes.

Not sure about that - lifting an X-Wing fighter or force-grabbing a lightsaber is one thing, but how do you stop a killing word when the whole team can use it? Remember, Muad'Dib taught the Fremen fighters to use it, so I have no reason to think that the rest of the team couldn't learn it as well.... Heck, the Force didn't work on Watto, what makes you think it would work on the Kwisatz Haderach?

 

[Jerryaki]

Dr. Manhattan would only have to destroy Diablo's soul stone instead of putting it into his head. That seems like a no brainer there, and with his energy control, and his command over physics, I'm sure he could pull that off. Plus, he could just teleport himself to hell, and use the Hell Forge Hammer himself to do it (with an assist from Dr. Fate).

and also, psylocke is the hottest one in the match-up, so an automatic win.

 

[Löwenherz]

Dr. Manhattan is pretty much the direct opposite of being prone to getting drunk with power. How is he prone to temptation? If anything, the struggle is in keeping him connected to human emotion.

A weakness Eris is eager to exploit.

I could also have The Shrike travel back in time and stab Jon Osterman through the face before that tragic "Intrinsic Field" accident. Tempting, but not very sporting and the Eris route is a lot more fun and damaging anyway.

In the interest of disclosure, NME's team is by far my favorite other than my own. I'm going to take some time to plot out their demise and get back to you all.

 

[NoBonus]

Don't forget Jeannie!

 

[NoBonus]

Not sure about that - lifting an X-Wing fighter or force-grabbing a lightsaber is one thing, but how do you stop a killing word when the whole team can use it? Remember, Muad'Dib taught the Fremen fighters to use it, so I have no reason to think that the rest of the team couldn't learn it as well.... Heck, the Force didn't work on Watto, what makes you think it would work on the Kwisatz Haderach?

That is what I am sayin'!

 

[NoBonus]

A weakness:

In the interest of disclosure, NME's team is by far my favorite other than my own. I'm going to take some time to plot out their demise and get back to you all.

Rule #1 of combat: Put your enemy in the wrong and keep them there.

 

[NoBonus]

C'mon! Get your votes in!

This:

easily defeats this:

 

[NoBonus]

Why vote for NoBonus' Dream Force Voltron?

Paul killed Sting (see spoiler for photo of Sting)

Spoiler

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6475/4066400.jpg
What more can I possibly do?

 

[Löwenherz]

Rule #1 of combat: Put your enemy in the wrong and keep them there.

Even as a villain, I fight with a chivalrous code of honor. To quote one famous leader:

"We have a very daring and skillful opponent against us, and, may I say across the havoc of war, a great general."

- Sir Winston Churchill regarding General Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, January 1943, House of Commons

 

[Bricklayer]

Even as a villain, I fight with a chivalrous code of honor. To quote one famous leader:

"We have a very daring and skillful opponent against us, and, may I say across the havoc of war, a great general."

- Sir Winston Churchill regarding General Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, January 1943, House of Commons

Now look, you have bar none the absolute evilest group of villains in the game. Most of them aren't even villains per se. They are gods of death, insanity and chaos. Don't go wussing out now with this honor crap -- honor is a pathetic concept made up by would be heroes before you corrupt their souls and destroy the very concept of hope in the world.


P.S. However, I suppose declining to engage in a geekoff might be acceptable supervillain behavior -- it is admittedly rather hard to intimidate while fixing the tape on one's glasses.

 

[Jespher]

Bump. Still 1 more day to vote for your favorite hero or villain