Vlade4GM
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That's what I thought, but I saw some report that made it seem like he was available.
Head coach & GM options
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That's what I thought, but I saw some report that made it seem like he was available.
Fresno King
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I'm still on the Byron Scott bandwagon for HC.
Larry Bird would be great for GM. He obviously has an eye for talent. He drafted Fresno State's Paul George!
Larry Bird would be great for GM. He obviously has an eye for talent. He drafted Fresno State's Paul George!
King Baller
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Larry Bird as GM would be great!!!
Bricklayer
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Guys, I'm not sure what Larry did as a GM that was so great that you'd be chasing him for this spot.
im pretty sure he built this pacers roster?
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i agree 100 % with you! pass on mullins..
Fear the Putin
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And took Paul George higher than what many thought
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Along with Donnie Walsh, yes. but people forget just how many long hard slogging years of mediocrity there were, and really how mediocre the current crew was until Frank Vogel took over for a failed coach Bird hired.
Hey, there is something there. And any team built around Hibbert and George appeals when you have Reke and Cousins. But if this is his big score, then our own current GM actually built a better team once himself.
I will say this, I believe strongly enough in the talent in Cousins and Reke that I think that any good/solid GM with the right philosophy should be able to make us at least playoff contenders. Bird might be able to do it, as long as he doesn't listen too closely to his good friend Jerry Reynolds. But when it comes to GMs I'm not going to get fascinated by the biggest name.
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I'm not sure Vivek is looking for a big name GM. He's looking for someone with the same kind of vision and philosophy of the game that he has. I suspect our new GM just might be someone Vivek knows well and trusts but might not be that familiar to us. And I can live with that. 
ParniValjak
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I very much doubt that our new GM will be a big name! I think it will be an assistant GM plucked from another team. I am still thinking that it will be the assistant GM from Warriors (Travis Schlenk) whom Vivek has a great deal of respect for. He is the analytical, advanced stats type GM and that is what I think Vivek will aim for. That is why it wouldn't surprise me if Petrie remains with the team in a consulting role to GM. Not sure I like that idea but I do think the GM will not be a big name.
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Packt
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http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/090511fa_fact_gladwell
article from 09 that could gives us some insight into Vivek's mind.
Is it noteworthy? During an interview with the Warriors, Mark Jackson said the coach who had the biggest impact on him was none other than Pitino. Jackson's first year was disappointing but the Warriors are now a playoff team. Frank Vogel of the Pacers is a Pitino disciple and is in the ECF. Jeff Van Gundy was an assistant for Pitino in college. A name we haven't heard from much is Brett Brown. He played for Pitino in college and is currently an assistant with the Spurs. Brown has made it known he's interested in a HC job.
After the last few months, it seems the Pitino name is roses again. Of course Pitino is not walking through that door. However, maybe some one who has a connection to him will.
article from 09 that could gives us some insight into Vivek's mind.
Is it noteworthy? During an interview with the Warriors, Mark Jackson said the coach who had the biggest impact on him was none other than Pitino. Jackson's first year was disappointing but the Warriors are now a playoff team. Frank Vogel of the Pacers is a Pitino disciple and is in the ECF. Jeff Van Gundy was an assistant for Pitino in college. A name we haven't heard from much is Brett Brown. He played for Pitino in college and is currently an assistant with the Spurs. Brown has made it known he's interested in a HC job.
After the last few months, it seems the Pitino name is roses again. Of course Pitino is not walking through that door. However, maybe some one who has a connection to him will.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I wouldn't mind seeing Petrie stick around in an advisory role because IF he has actually been doing his job over the past few seasons he will know these players better than anyone. He shouldn't be the decision maker any more, but he drafted Evans, Evans improved his jumper the season after working with Petrie ... and if the new GM is thinking about letting Evans walk, If keeping Petrie around could convince that next guy to keep Evans, than hell yea. It's worth it.
Same can be said about Toney Douglas and Cole Aldrich. If we clean house, the contributions those guys made to this team at the end of last season could go unnoticed. Honestly, the play of Douglas makes IT and Jimmer expendable (because I believe IT should be a bench player anyway. Douglas and MT off the bench makes more sense than IT and MT). You're talking about the ability to sign a player (Douglas) for low money while also creating two trade chips (IT and Jimmer) .. that's valuable. And Cole Aldrich ... He's just better than Chuck Hayes. I don't even think it's a question. He'd come in for minimun dollars and provide the same, if not better production than a guy you're paying 5+ mil per year.
Petrie, if his head is screwed on straight, could be the best asset we have in terms of keeping the right players from this roster. I'm sure the new GM and staff will watch all the tape, blah blah blah, but there is a difference between watching film and seeing things unfold live.
I know I'd feel much better about this roster going into next season if the team looked like this:
PG - Sign a Vet / draft Burke (not high on) or MCW (high on) with Douglas as the backup. Possibly even start Douglas / Sign Beno for Vet backup.
SG - Evans, Thornton, Salmons
SF - Sign/trade/draft for starter, Salmons and Evans backup.
Bigs - Start Cousins, possibly package JT or Patterson with other assets (Jimmer, IT, draft pick) for a defensive minded big to pair with Cousins. One of Patterson/JT becomes third big, Aldrich 4th.
That is the kind of 'house cleaning' I'm looking for. Keep your big guns (Evans, Cousins, and MT - I still like Thornton, but he could be dealt under certain scenarios AKA Granger).
Clean out the guys who are redundant. We don't need IT or Jimmer because we have Thornton. We don't need Hayes cause he's not good and we have Cole. We don't need Patterson AND JT because they give you the same kind of production (granted they do it differently).
Same can be said about Toney Douglas and Cole Aldrich. If we clean house, the contributions those guys made to this team at the end of last season could go unnoticed. Honestly, the play of Douglas makes IT and Jimmer expendable (because I believe IT should be a bench player anyway. Douglas and MT off the bench makes more sense than IT and MT). You're talking about the ability to sign a player (Douglas) for low money while also creating two trade chips (IT and Jimmer) .. that's valuable. And Cole Aldrich ... He's just better than Chuck Hayes. I don't even think it's a question. He'd come in for minimun dollars and provide the same, if not better production than a guy you're paying 5+ mil per year.
Petrie, if his head is screwed on straight, could be the best asset we have in terms of keeping the right players from this roster. I'm sure the new GM and staff will watch all the tape, blah blah blah, but there is a difference between watching film and seeing things unfold live.
I know I'd feel much better about this roster going into next season if the team looked like this:
PG - Sign a Vet / draft Burke (not high on) or MCW (high on) with Douglas as the backup. Possibly even start Douglas / Sign Beno for Vet backup.
SG - Evans, Thornton, Salmons
SF - Sign/trade/draft for starter, Salmons and Evans backup.
Bigs - Start Cousins, possibly package JT or Patterson with other assets (Jimmer, IT, draft pick) for a defensive minded big to pair with Cousins. One of Patterson/JT becomes third big, Aldrich 4th.
That is the kind of 'house cleaning' I'm looking for. Keep your big guns (Evans, Cousins, and MT - I still like Thornton, but he could be dealt under certain scenarios AKA Granger).
Clean out the guys who are redundant. We don't need IT or Jimmer because we have Thornton. We don't need Hayes cause he's not good and we have Cole. We don't need Patterson AND JT because they give you the same kind of production (granted they do it differently).
You've hit me twice today with posts that are right on with my view. I'm sitting back and enjoying the Ranadive show which seems to get better each day. I've put my trust in him and I'm looking forward to the next 5 months before basketball starts.I'm not sure Vivek is looking for a big name GM. He's looking for someone with the same kind of vision and philosophy of the game that he has. I suspect our new GM just might be someone Vivek knows well and trusts but might not be that familiar to us. And I can live with that.
Okay, first of all, as I intimated to Padrino, I don't consider Tracy McGrady to be a shooting guard; Latrell Sprewell, either. Second of all, John Starks, Allan Houston, Mark Jackson and Scott Brooks (Seriously, Scott Brooks?) are not stars. And Steve Francis? He's the player you named who's closest to Evans in skill-set, and the one season he was coached by Van Gundy was the worst season he had ever had, to that point in his career: then-career lows virtually across the board (PPG, APG, OREB, FGA, FG%, FT%, 3PT%), so I don't know whether I'd consider that to be a point in Van Gundy's favor.
Glenn
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I have forgotten how to discuss basketball. Well, maybe I exaggerate but I understand your point.
bajaden
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You had me right up until you said we don't need Patterson and JT. On that one I disagree. If we don't need one of them, then we would need to replace whomever we got rid of, because last year, until we aquired Aldrich, we had a lack of size, and depth in the frontcourt. If Cousins went down, or fouled out, Hayes, at 6'6" was the backup. Long term you could move JT to the starting center position, but then you'd need Patterson to fill the PF position. He can't do that if he isn't here. Every team needs a minimun of 5 bigs on their roster, and many teams carry 6. Before the trade that brought Patterson and Aldrich, we were operatiing with 4 bigs in Cousins, Hayes, JT, and Robinson. Robinson proved to be useless at times, and we were forced to play either Johnson or Outlaw at the PF position. Its time to have a solid rotation in the frontcourt of legitimate size players.
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bajaden
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Many people in New York would disagree with you on whether Starks was a star or not, but Houston was definitely a star until he was injured. On Brooks we agree. If someone asked me what position Latrell Sprewell played I would have said SG, but that I considered him a swingman. Same with McGrady. I think your nit picking a bit, if you think an inch in height makes a difference to how a coach approaches a player. I won't get into the argument of whether Van Gundy can coach guards or not, because frankly I don't care, and I have no opinion on the subject.
Wow, that's actually a really nice article. Thx for posting.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I could have explained that better, and I would have but I felt as though my post was long enough
I mentioned this in the thread after we made the trade for Patterson. Long term, we can't keep them both. Even short term, really, because I think we will need to decide on Patterson by the end of this season at the latest. Patterson and JT have different skill sets, but their overall production is quite similar. They will both give you something around 10-12PPG, 6 rebounds, and average defense. Both put up good numbers without being featured. JT will give you a little more size, toughness, and rebounding. Patterson will give you a better basketball IQ and shooting, but based on production - similar.
The problem is that next season Patterson will be a restricted free agent and I'm willing to bet he'll cost around the same price we're spending on JT (5-6 mil per). Because of who Cousins is (a rebounder / scorer ) I think we all agree that long term he needs to have a shotblocker/defender next to him. That is how we should be building this team. So with that in mind, I don't want to spend 5-6 million on a 4th big man, which is what one of Patterson or JT will eventually become. That's just a bad use of cap room. We need to pay Evans. We need to pay Cousins. We need to pay the mystery man defender we eventually land.
Of course I want to carry more than four bigs on the roster, but I want the 4th, 5th, and 6th guy to be veterans on short money, short year deals or guys still on their rookie contracts. Thompson and Patterson are to good for that role, and to expensive for that role.
I just don't want to see us lock into both Patterson and Thompson for that kind of money, and Patterson, because he has a good contract for at least next season and is restricted is likely as valuable as an asset as he will ever be right now.
Gary
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I would really like to get a coach that Cousins respects and who he wouldn't be a punk to. Sloan? I am not sure JVG or SVG would be the type of coach that could get a players respect, especially JVG hanging on to a players leg while he is dragging him around an fighting at the same time.
Maybe Don Nelson would be a good fit? We need an older coach. Players seem to respect the older guys that have been in the business for a long time.
As for GM it really doesn't matter nowadays with all the media everyone could look up on a player. As long as he's a people person and doesn't get owned on trades then it's all good. Hell, most of us here have drafted better than Petrie over the last 5-7 years. I know I have.
Maybe Don Nelson would be a good fit? We need an older coach. Players seem to respect the older guys that have been in the business for a long time.
As for GM it really doesn't matter nowadays with all the media everyone could look up on a player. As long as he's a people person and doesn't get owned on trades then it's all good. Hell, most of us here have drafted better than Petrie over the last 5-7 years. I know I have.
And my response would always be "coach choker."
OMG. Do you want to start an epidemic of heads exploding? Nellie? Seriously?
NO, no, no...no. No, nope, no way, never, no. No... no... no...
And, oh HELL NO.
gunks
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Heuge
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Perfect!
