[Game] Hawks vs Kings 11/18/2024, 7pm PST 10pm EST
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I think Keegan will snap out of it. He's in a slump and perhaps the mileage is taking a toll (he and Fox are top 3 in total miles run). I think he has some minor form and technique things the coaches need to work with him on. That said, I want to see us using him in the post a little more. There's a stat out there showing he's one of the best FG% wise in the paint.
I mean, yeah. He's 100% correct. Good for him for accurately painting what Keegan's done this season. He has to shoot better, of course, but there's very few other guys who bring as much defensive value as Keegan in the entire NBA. He's become a very good rebounder. He's showing a better understanding of on-ball scoring and attacking the rim a bit more. His shots just totally off and probably has some confidence issues right now.
He's doing what the team has asked of him. Every year he adds a new element to his game. We added a proven scorer this season, I'm sure if we added Dennis Rodman to the team they'd have had Keegan spend his offseason on the offensive side. This is so dumb because he's not putting up big offensive numbers. You complain when the weakest defender is also the weakest scorer.
I think the biggest value he will bring to the team is on the defensive end, due to the makeup of the team. Agree he has to shot better and ideally 35%+ from the 3. And I think he can be a reliable post player when we need a bucket. Definitely want to see Brown getting him in the paint more, which can only help his 3pt confidence.
When we drafted him, he was a high floor / mid ceiling type of guy who could possibly be an all-star. Maybe he could be like Scottie Barnes, but I'm not so sure he's a playmaker type that we see Scottie or Jalen Williams being. I think that's okay that he's more a complimentary piece and maybe we would all better be served as fans having that expectation.
When we drafted him, he was a high floor / mid ceiling type of guy who could possibly be an all-star. Maybe he could be like Scottie Barnes, but I'm not so sure he's a playmaker type that we see Scottie or Jalen Williams being. I think that's okay that he's more a complimentary piece and maybe we would all better be served as fans having that expectation.
yes his shot stinks right now. I am not defending it. I am saying his play in the rest of the game allows for him to not be our go to scorer. Would be nice if he was more reliable, would be nice if we got him more looks in the run of play with a loaded team so he isn't lost when we are starting 3 reserve guys. But heaven help us if DDR, Domas and Monk missed more than a week or two, all at once even, the season is lost.
Huerter's suffering from the same problem Keegan is right now. The "rest" of his game has been oustanding; he's playing great defense, he's giving good secondary playmaking, he's been better with rebounding. But his shooting has gone to hell and that remains his primary value.
Kings are still 7th in ORtg with
Keegan: 29.9%, 5.8 3PA
Huerter 31.0%, 6.5 3PA
Monk: 27.8%, 4.3 3PA
shooting like this. Fox, Trey, Keon have really started to find their stroke in the last week and are up to:
Keon, 42.6%, 3.4 3PA
Fox : 35.5%, 6.2 3PA
Lyles: 34.4%, 4.1 3PA
Jmac: 40%, 1.3 3PA
So at least it's not a team-wide crap show right now. But man, the top 3 guys are probably literally like 10% under, as a grouping of where we should expect them to be. When the figure it out, that's how this team breaks into being a top 3 offense.
Kings are still 7th in ORtg with
Keegan: 29.9%, 5.8 3PA
Huerter 31.0%, 6.5 3PA
Monk: 27.8%, 4.3 3PA
shooting like this. Fox, Trey, Keon have really started to find their stroke in the last week and are up to:
Keon, 42.6%, 3.4 3PA
Fox : 35.5%, 6.2 3PA
Lyles: 34.4%, 4.1 3PA
Jmac: 40%, 1.3 3PA
So at least it's not a team-wide crap show right now. But man, the top 3 guys are probably literally like 10% under, as a grouping of where we should expect them to be. When the figure it out, that's how this team breaks into being a top 3 offense.
Not much more to say after the ref LITERALLY standing 2 feet from Foxy being arm dragged to the ground by De'Andre Hunter and didn't see fit do anything BUT THEN IMMEDIATELY caught the verbal abuse and called a Tech.
There's no word I can think of that can make it sound less than pure incompetent without going to the insidious route and accuse him of fixing games.
There's no word I can think of that can make it sound less than pure incompetent without going to the insidious route and accuse him of fixing games.
Caught me before the edit, but I was talking about him present day.
I think the problem is that people we're both trying to picture long-term Keegan, but we're seeing different things. You look at what he did in his rookie year as a shooter to talk about his shooting potential, but I look at what he did in his 2nd year to suggest regressions of a shooter.
We can both be right at the same time, but the NBA is very much a "what have you done for me lately" type of league.
I think he's hit a snag in his offensive development. I thought we saw a small, yet promising jump in year 2. We all collectively gave him a pass for his 3pt shooting with the thought that it only came down because of the offensive focus to expand more areas of his scoring. Fast forward to the start of year 3, he has no good excuses to start the season off below 30% from 3pt.
What’s the bigger picture that you see from Keegan? He’s looking like a high level role player who’s your 4th “option” that plays very good defense.
I think the problem is that people we're both trying to picture long-term Keegan, but we're seeing different things. You look at what he did in his rookie year as a shooter to talk about his shooting potential, but I look at what he did in his 2nd year to suggest regressions of a shooter.
We can both be right at the same time, but the NBA is very much a "what have you done for me lately" type of league.
I think he's hit a snag in his offensive development. I thought we saw a small, yet promising jump in year 2. We all collectively gave him a pass for his 3pt shooting with the thought that it only came down because of the offensive focus to expand more areas of his scoring. Fast forward to the start of year 3, he has no good excuses to start the season off below 30% from 3pt.
What’s the bigger picture that you see from Keegan? He’s looking like a high level role player who’s your 4th “option” that plays very good defense.
He can’t post up in our starting lineup because there’s no spacing. Maybe you can give him some run with the 2nd unit and Monk, but he didn’t look comfortable as the #2 guy on the floor last night. Trying to run feed him in the post probably only works if he’s automatic, or if he becomes a better passer.
But he’s a 3rd year player who was drafted #4. It’s normal to expect a player who has previously flashed scoring potential to indeed step up and take more of a temporary offensive burden when the team needs it.
Without DeMar, Sabonis, and Monk, if we’re not asking our 4th leading scorer from last year to step up on offense, then who should we be asking? Kevin? Lyles? Keon? McDermott? You’re talking about replacing the production worth of 55pts.
Being disappointed in his showing is a reasonable take, and his lost confidence in his 3pt shot does show some cause for concern when it’s happened 2 years in a row.
But he’s a 3rd year player who was drafted #4. It’s normal to expect a player who has previously flashed scoring potential to indeed step up and take more of a temporary offensive burden when the team needs it.
Without DeMar, Sabonis, and Monk, if we’re not asking our 4th leading scorer from last year to step up on offense, then who should we be asking? Kevin? Lyles? Keon? McDermott? You’re talking about replacing the production worth of 55pts.
Being disappointed in his showing is a reasonable take, and his lost confidence in his 3pt shot does show some cause for concern when it’s happened 2 years in a row.
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