Hawes replacing Moore in Starting Five!

It is a good news ... however I would like to see both Jason and Spens starting. The main question is why our coach made this decision? I hope it was a strong job saving "recommendation" from the Brothers and GM.
 
I've had enough of Reggie!

in the fire reggie thread revisited i clicked on he needs more time and the opportunity to have all his players. BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED!

i know JT had the one game where he got 3 fouls in the first and his mins went down alot that game. but what coach leaves a starter in after 2 fouls in the first!!! STUPID REGGIE DOES!

Starting Donte over Jason Thompson!?!?!? how about just letting Donte play off the bench for awhile thats a huge improvement over not playing at all like the first few games of the season!

Jason Thompson is a stud and is the FREAK'N FUTURE OF THIS TEAM along with Kevin Martin, and Spencers Hawes!!!!

SPENCER OR THOMPSON SHOULD BE STARTING NO MATTER WHAT!!! AND IF SPENCER STARTS THOMPSON IS FIRST BIG OFF THE BENCH!!! vice versa!

Reggie dodged some bullets by starting Hawes and Thompson for awhile but Reggie has clearly shown he is has no idea how to manage the lineups for this team.

there is just no excuse for seeing Bobby Jackson or Moore in the starting lineups or being first off the bench over guys like Hawes, Thompson, or Bobby Brown. young guys that have shown real promise and have a future in the NBA as well as a future on the kings.

I have mad respect for Bobby Jackson but peace out bro! we only traded for you to clear up cap space! your time as a key piece for this team has come and gone.

Reggie get out!!! starting the vets wont win more games... i mean seriously look at our record!
 
I'd rather have JT playing in position (for once), rather than have Hawes playing out of position. But I appreciate that it's an improvement. Mikki needed replacing.
 
its a step in the right direction. baby step. but...i'm more than happy with spence in the starting 5.
 
BritishColumbia said:
It is a good news ... however I would like to see both Jason and Spens starting. The main question is why our coach made this decision? I hope it was a strong job saving "recommendation" from the Brothers and GM.
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One thing at a time.

Also, starting Brad gives us a slightly better chance of trading him. Brad is unable to hold his head if a minor call goes against him. Don't know how he shall handle a rookie starting over him. If he gets all grumpy, and his performance dives further (if that is possible), he shall be untradable.

Hopefully, with Martin's return (and hopefully Cisco getting in some groove), he shall be able to have a few good performances, upping his trade value a little.
 
I've been watching basketball a long time. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sure what Reggie's defensive scheme is. Maybe thats part of the problem. Its unrecognizable. He's complaining that we, as fans complain about the lack of defense, and yet, want one of the better defensive players out of the lineup.

Mikkie is a nice guy, and its not my intent to attack him. But he's not renown around the league for being a defensive jugernaut. He positions himself well. He knows where to be on the court. He pushes the pick and roll. He does some little things well. But he's hardly an impact defensive player.

When your at the bottom of the league defensively, especially 3pt shooting. How much worse can you get by removing Mikkie.
 
What the heck? why whine about making a decision which is ultimately yours to make? Reggie needs to step back and take a deep breath before opening his mouth.
 
and Reggie even manages to foul this one up... waht is Reggie's fascination with sticking people in their non-natural position?

And instead of doing this gracefully, he opens up that mouth of his and starts attacking fans, shifting responsibility, blame to the fans? To management? This guy is fired, and he knows it. Actually, I take taht one back; Reggie is so messed up in his own little world, where one game he thinks the 7' frontline is the way to go, and then decides next game that oft dnp douby is supposed to be a swingman.

I think Slamson as a coach and the dancers as assistants would make better decisions than this GQ airhead with an attitude. Get him out. And let the door hit him on the way out.
 
I’d like to see Spencer (C) and Jason (PF) play together. But I’m happy that Moore is going to come off the bench.

Did anybody see this quote from Reggie from the bee http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/017469.html

"Anytime there's a charge being taken, 90 percent of the time it's Mikki Moore taking it," Theus said after today's practice. "He does all the little things, and those things matter. People talk about defense. The fans talk about defense, but then they want the guy who's a defensive guy to be out of the game."

"I look at several different things. I look at not only who's starting, but which combinations are best coming off the bench. I look at the fact that Spence has a tendency to get into early foul trouble. Is he better off getting those fouls late in the first half or early in the first half?...He's also got to learn how to not get those fouls."
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Am I missing something? I know I’ve missed some games but is Mikki Moore that good of a defender?
 
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starting hawes is nice... he's been our most consistent player. his rebounding is kinda weak but thats to be expected. im not to worried about thompson, he's probably better suited to play against the opposing teams second unit. if he and hawes arent both starting after the trade deadline then we will have problems....
 
This is only a good start if the offense runs through Hawes at least occasionally. If Miller & Beno are going to ignore Hawes, until the last sec and then expect him to launch a 3pt shoot, then Reggie can shove it.
 
Hmm, that's very interesting. I'm actually curious to see how well Hawes can play the 4. He's fairly quick and runs the floor well, I think he'll be just fine on offense. He has the potential to be far better at the 4 than Brad Miller was in Webber's absence. To be honest, if we were able to draft somebody like Thabeet, a starting line of Hawes/Thabeet with Thompson off the bench (because of his versatility) would be very nice, and huge.
 
This shows the Kings are really set on exploring on everything just so we can have not just a playoff team, but an elite team in the future. Giving Hawes the versatility to play both #4 and #5 will pay dividends in the future.

Also, if Miller plays motivated and Hawes turns out to be a very good power forward, then we got back an equivalent of our old Webber/Divac tandem of passing bigs.

Insert Thompson into the rotation of our frontline "bigs", and presto! The team had solved the rebounding problems of the team.

Miller a double-double, the best passing center in the league.
Hawes a double-double, who at any given time can get 5 blocks a game.
Thompson another double-double, providing hustling defense.

Plus, let us not forget Greene who had shown some hope of becoming a future star at #3.

Wow.

Miller gets traded, the Thabeet Gambit becomes a reality - we will still have a formidable frontline ( Thabeet/Hawes at #5, Hawes/Thompson at #4, Thomspon/Greene at #3 ).

Throw in our solid player at #2 in Martin and Udrih finally becoming consistent as a point guard, we have the elite team that we want!

Plus, coming off the bench are Garcia, Salmons, and Brown?

Wow, the potential in this team is just boundless!

Lakers' tandem of Bynum ( 7' 0" ) at #5 and Gasol ( 7' 0" ) at #4, better watch out coz you may not be the biggest and most talented frontline in the near future.

Howard and Oden at #5, Hawes playing #4 means you won't be able to get him into foul trouble early in the game.

I think it is a smart move on the part of the coaching staff. Experiment now and develop our " bigs " into versatile players in preparation for future match-up problems VS the elite teams.


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wonder how this will effect the minutes breakdown for JT and how it will play out for the year. will Mikki be sent to the side of the bench with K9 by years end?
 
if he continues to get constant minutes and puts up better numbers im putting him into consideration for Most improved player

i mean his stats now

12.4 ppg 7.1 rpg 1.5 apg 2bpg in 28 mins
compared to last years
4.7 ppg 3.2 rpg 0.6 apg 0.6 bpg in 13 mins

injuries aside hawes will be solid... and will continue to improve

starting i can see him getting

16ppg 9rpg 2apg 2bpg

this is the guy every one thought would have problems defensively and isnt athletic enough right? some said he is another brad miller.. judging on how he plays i think they are way off
 
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I heard on the Rise Guys this moring that the Maloofs and Petrie had a meeting over the weekend. Seems like the coaching staff wants to win games, however, the Maloofs want the youngs guys to play more.

Good to hear the Spencer is starting in place of Mikki.
 
If the coaches think we got a better shot a "winning" by playing the vets, they should just look at the scores from the past few games, haha.
 
Prince_XY said:
This shows the Kings are really set on exploring on everything just so we can have not just a playoff team, but an elite team in the future. Giving Hawes the versatility to play both #4 and #5 will pay dividends in the future.

Also, if Miller plays motivated and Hawes turns out to be a very good power forward, then we got back an equivalent of our old Webber/Divac tandem of passing bigs.

Insert Thompson into the rotation of our frontline "bigs", and presto! The team had solved the rebounding problems of the team.

Miller a double-double, the best passing center in the league.
Hawes a double-double, who at any given time can get 5 blocks a game.
Thompson another double-double, providing hustling defense.

Plus, let us not forget Greene who had shown some hope of becoming a future star at #3.

Wow.

Miller gets traded, the Thabeet Gambit becomes a reality - we will still have a formidable frontline ( Thabeet/Hawes at #5, Hawes/Thompson at #4, Thomspon/Greene at #3 ).

Throw in our solid player at #2 in Martin and Udrih finally becoming consistent as a point guard, we have the elite team that we want!

Plus, coming off the bench are Garcia, Salmons, and Brown?

Wow, the potential in this team is just boundless!

Lakers' tandem of Bynum ( 7' 0" ) at #5 and Gasol ( 7' 0" ) at #4, better watch out coz you may not be the biggest and most talented frontline in the near future.

Howard and Oden at #5, Hawes playing #4 means you won't be able to get him into foul trouble early in the game.

I think it is a smart move on the part of the coaching staff. Experiment now and develop our " bigs " into versatile players in preparation for future match-up problems VS the elite teams.


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Please relax. You are getting way too ahead of yourself. Hawes and Miller are not comparable to Vlade and Webber and never will be close to that level. I threw up in my mouth a bit when you said that. You are comparing them to arguably the best passing tandem in NBA history.

Greene has shown some "hope" and I really like the kid, but he is likely at least 2 years away from being a solid NBA player, if not more like 3-4 years.

Bynum and Gasol will be way more dominant than our frontline for at least 3-4 more years and I believe Bynum will end up being much more dominant than Hawes or Thompson.
 
Prince_XY said:
This shows the Kings are really set on exploring on everything just so we can have not just a playoff team, but an elite team in the future. Giving Hawes the versatility to play both #4 and #5 will pay dividends in the future.

Also, if Miller plays motivated and Hawes turns out to be a very good power forward, then we got back an equivalent of our old Webber/Divac tandem of passing bigs.

Insert Thompson into the rotation of our frontline "bigs", and presto! The team had solved the rebounding problems of the team.

Miller a double-double, the best passing center in the league.
Hawes a double-double, who at any given time can get 5 blocks a game.
Thompson another double-double, providing hustling defense.

Plus, let us not forget Greene who had shown some hope of becoming a future star at #3.

Wow.

Miller gets traded, the Thabeet Gambit becomes a reality - we will still have a formidable frontline ( Thabeet/Hawes at #5, Hawes/Thompson at #4, Thomspon/Greene at #3 ).

Throw in our solid player at #2 in Martin and Udrih finally becoming consistent as a point guard, we have the elite team that we want!

Plus, coming off the bench are Garcia, Salmons, and Brown?

Wow, the potential in this team is just boundless!

Lakers' tandem of Bynum ( 7' 0" ) at #5 and Gasol ( 7' 0" ) at #4, better watch out coz you may not be the biggest and most talented frontline in the near future.

Howard and Oden at #5, Hawes playing #4 means you won't be able to get him into foul trouble early in the game.

I think it is a smart move on the part of the coaching staff. Experiment now and develop our " bigs " into versatile players in preparation for future match-up problems VS the elite teams.


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um, wtf?
 
Rockmeister said:
I heard on the Rise Guys this moring that the Maloofs and Petrie had a meeting over the weekend. Seems like the coaching staff wants to win games, however, the Maloofs want the youngs guys to play more.

Good to hear the Spencer is starting in place of Mikki.
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At 5-14 and having lost 9 of the last 10, the coaching staff has an interesting definition of "winning games". Either that or they are jsut really really bad at it.

What's really amazing has been the Maloofs actually being semi-right about the youth development this past year. I say semi-right because they stil blather on about somehow making the playoffs and not while wanting to see the youth played, which I fear still shows them not so much understanding the process as being convinced that they can have their cake and eat it too. But hey, you take what you can get.
 
Theus's comment about Hawes's fouls is total BS. Again, it's YOU, Reggie, who are "fouling out" Hawes. So, we are to believe that it the once in three game occurrance of Miki taking a charge, plus Hawes's foul trouble that keeps Hawes out of games? BS BS BS. Hawes should be starting at center. Thompson should be starting at power forward. If not that, then at the least both of them should get 30+ minutes a game regardless of whether they start or not. Reggie appears to be dragged kicking and screaming to the right decision. He must have gotten some smoke signals from ownership/management since the last game about Hawes. (Hopefully, he got some about Thompson as well). That's not a good sign for his long term tenure with the Kings.
 
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