Hawes hurts knee, more tests to come

[Elektrik]

Ugh....you would have thought they would have done research on this before drafting hime.

In complete agreement. This is appears to be another failure of Geoff Petries to do his job properly. I am really getting tired of his failures. For too long now he has been given a free ride on long since past victories. How long are the Maloofs going to let him sponge off of them? God!!!! The season hasn't even started yet and I'm already pissed off....Arrgghhh!!!

 

[vytzka]

In complete agreement. This is appears to be another failure of Geoff Petries to do his job properly. I am really getting tired of his failures. For too long now he has been given a free ride on long since past victories. How long are the Maloofs going to let him sponge off of them? God!!!! The season hasn't even started yet and I'm already pissed off....Arrgghhh!!!

What makes you think this was a complete surprise to him? Likely he just took the risk.

 

[Kingster]

This Hawes news is smelling worse and worse. Sounds like surgery of one kind or another is probable, so he misses training camp at the least, then he's in catch up mode. Maybe he gets some playing time after January at the earliest. This is terrible news.

 

[Spike]

I knew we should have worked harder to move up in the draft and get Oden, then we wouldn't be in this mess!


Er...


Come on, people. You're looking at a kid who may (or may not) have seen significant minutes during his rookie campaign. Yeah, it would suck if he's out for the season, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not like the injury happened to a disgruntled vet in a contract year. Worst case scenario, it's the need for another microfracture operation. Best case? A scope. The more we push younger kids to become "grown men", the more likely these injuries will occur. (I also believe global warming is due to a decrease in the amount of pirates roaming our oceans - do the research!)

I'm reserving judgment until I find out the severity of the injury. Otherwise, put me in the "not overly ruffled feathers" category. Why slide down to DEFCON 1?

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, that's not entirely correct. Any bone in the body is initially cartilage and then becomes secondary compact (hard, calcified) bone as it develops. The concept behind microfracture is to induce the growth of scar tissue that has cartilaginous properties (this is why the drill small microfracture holes into the bone, to induce the development of this type of scar tissue.) However, in a younger person who's epiphyseal plate is still growing (the bones are still elongating) and so there's actually better cartilage that can be induced via microfracture surgery. Basically him having that surgery at that age isnt too big of a deal because its more likely that it was sucessful. i'm in med school, we just learned this stuff so i thought i'd share.

Ah...a doctor in the house. Well...one day.

The first part I knew. The second seems counterintuitive (seems like the last time you want to go messing around in there), but obviously you are the one with the actual knowledge.

P.S. Be sure to inform your prof that you know someone who considers microfracture surgery the modern day equivalent of leeching and is reasonably sure that within 50 years its practicioners are going to be looked at like Civil War surgeons with their hacksaws.

 

[Bricklayer]

it's not like the injury happened to a disgruntled vet in a contract year.

While I am not overly panicked by the news pending...well, more news, it would be much BETTER if it happened to a vet in a contract year or whatever. This kid, question marks or not, was supposed to one of the few bright spots to watch/pieces for the future. If Reef wants to retire tommorow because his knees are too sore, doesn't matter for us in the long term. But this kid is supposedly part of the future.

 

[Spike]

Point taken. I should have said, "disgruntled vet with several years left on his contract."

Either way, I think it's too soon to judge. I guess we all wait with bated breath.

 

[bajaden]

Point taken. I should have said, "disgruntled vet with several years left on his contract."

Either way, I think it's too soon to judge. I guess we all wait with bated breath.

I agree with you Spike. Its just too early to make a judgement. I also think he would have gotten limited minutes this year anyway. I was very high on him, having watched him play in college and was impressed with the way he dominated the Lopez twins in the Stanford game. Lets just hope its nothing more that a little clean-up in the knee. Having said that, scope surgery can be touchy. I had one myself that was susposed to sideline me for about 4 or 5 weeks. Mine got infected, blew up like a balloon and I missed 10 weeks of work. You just never know...

 

[Glenn]

Well, that's not entirely correct. Any bone in the body is initially cartilage and then becomes secondary compact (hard, calcified) bone as it develops. The concept behind microfracture is to induce the growth of scar tissue that has cartilaginous properties (this is why the drill small microfracture holes into the bone, to induce the development of this type of scar tissue.) However, in a younger person who's epiphyseal plate is still growing (the bones are still elongating) and so there's actually better cartilage that can be induced via microfracture surgery. Basically him having that surgery at that age isnt too big of a deal because its more likely that it was sucessful. i'm in med school, we just learned this stuff so i thought i'd share.

Something like that except I believe the purpose is to release cells that are like stem cells that are in the bone marrow and they differentiate into becoming cartilage. The body's natural healing process causes the cells to become cartilage and not bone.

My concern isn't that he HAD surgery, my concern is that he NEEDED it. Had he really worn out some of his cartilage at age 14?

Sam Amick wrote me and said this info was released by Hawes and confirmed by the Kings' staff.

 

[Glenn]

P.S. Be sure to inform your prof that you know someone who considers microfracture surgery the modern day equivalent of leeching and is reasonably sure that within 50 years its practicioners are going to be looked at like Civil War surgeons with their hacksaws.

I hope you are joking. It is a method that stimulates healing and the precise type of healing depends on what part of the body is stimulated.

Too bad we don't have more stem cells to do research on.

This procedure may be used to heal much more than cartilage damage to knees. It someday may help stretched ligaments and problems with hips, etc. It is a very quick procedure (30 minutes on a knee) that might routinely be used to quicken the healing of severe sprains and the like.

If it fails, leeches work fine also.

 

[kennadog]

Something like that except I believe the purpose is to release cells that are like stem cells that are in the bone marrow and they differentiate into becoming cartilage. The body's natural healing process causes the cells to become cartilage and not bone.

My concern isn't that he HAD surgery, my concern is that he NEEDED it. Had he really worn out some of his cartilage at age 14?

Sam Amick wrote me and said this info was released by Hawes and confirmed by the Kings' staff.

Not normal cartilage, tho.

One of the concerns with microfracture is that it does not stimulate the growth of normal joint cartilage. There are many types of cartilage, and one of these types (hyaline cartilage) is normally found on the joint surface. Microfracture stimulates the growth of a type of cartilage commonly found in scar tissue (fibrocartilage). Unlike hyaline cartilage, fibrocartilage does not have the same strength and resiliency of cartilage normally found in a joint. Therefore, there is a chance that the cartilage stimulated by a microfracture procedure will not stand up over time.

]http://orthopedics.about.com/od/hipknee/a/microfracture.htm

I've read that it makes a difference where the microfracture needs to be performed. Webber's was on the end of the bone (more weight-bearing), while Amare's was more to the side (less weight-bearing).

Doug Christie was one of the early athletes to have microsurgery on a knee. He had his surgery while still in college.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well the word is that this has nothing to do with the microfracture surgery he had back in the day so I'll remain cautiously optimistic. Theus says there are loose particles which most certainly means a cleanup considering Hawes wasn't going to be a main rotation guy off the bat most likely anyway.