hassan whiteside is our man

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apollo916

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6'11'' but listed 7'0''
235 pounds and still eating
averaging 14 points, 10 rebounds and 6 blocks
Horrible shooter if that what we need but he can take his man off the dribble 15 feet away.
Forget Wall, its not going to happen, this guy makes cole look like wet diapers.

yup, bye world
 
This would be a nice pick up for us his potential is through the roof. It would be nice if we traded martin for a pick in this years draft so we could have another pick like last year look how that turned out for us ;)
 
He is one of the guys who Petrie definitely should look at. But:
1) He's 21. So he's not your typical freshman.
2) He plays against atrocious competition. His results against real NBA quality big men are underwhelming.
I think he will declare because of two reasons stated above: his draft position is all about upside right now so if he returns to school and shows up next season with the same frame (like Ed Davis) producing at the same rate people would ask if there really any upside.
This year at 10-12 pick he most likely the best talent, at 4-6 - I don't know.
 
When you look at competition you have to look at who they play against. And while his stats might be impressive, his performances don't always equal those stats visually. I would be surprised if Whiteside went any higher than 15 in the draft. You never know for sure, but take a look at Parakhouski who is listed on most draft boards at the bottom of the first round or the top of the second round. He's just as tall. He's stronger and bigger at around 270 pounds, and his stats are better than Whiteside's. I mean he's a 25/12/ 2 every game. So whose the better player, and who should go higher.

There's no way on gods earth that Whiteside is a top five pick. And very unlikely that he's a top 10 pick. Having said that, it doesn't mean I don't like him. I just don't overvalue him.
 
Maybe as someone to trade for, but not as our top pick unless we unexpectedly drop to the bottom of the lottery. I think he's a worthy project to take a chance on if you're in the mid first round, better than a Sene or McGee but too raw and old for his class to be taken top 10.
 
apollo916 said:
6'11'' but listed 7'0''
235 pounds and still eating
averaging 14 points, 10 rebounds and 6 blocks
Horrible shooter if that what we need but he can take his man off the dribble 15 feet away.
Forget Wall, its not going to happen, this guy makes cole look like wet diapers.

yup, bye world
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Cole = wet diapers, Hawes = soggy waffles. Hmm? :o
 
bajaden said:
When you look at competition you have to look at who they play against. And while his stats might be impressive, his performances don't always equal those stats visually. I would be surprised if Whiteside went any higher than 15 in the draft. You never know for sure, but take a look at Parakhouski who is listed on most draft boards at the bottom of the first round or the top of the second round. He's just as tall. He's stronger and bigger at around 270 pounds, and his stats are better than Whiteside's. I mean he's a 25/12/ 2 every game. So whose the better player, and who should go higher.

There's no way on gods earth that Whiteside is a top five pick. And very unlikely that he's a top 10 pick. Having said that, it doesn't mean I don't like him. I just don't overvalue him.
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College production doesn't equal NBA production. Whiteside is so much more athletic than Parakhouski. 2.2 blocks in 34 minutes in college is absolutely meaningless. Hawes had the same block rate as 18-year old freshman. On the other hand leading the country in block rate with 20% means a lot. It means that every fifth oppFGA is swatted by him. Hassan and Art have the same rebounding rates.
I'm not really sold on Whiteside. Just putting things into perspective.
 
I argue there is not another center we should draft. Unless we land one in a trade, Cousins is next on my list the cole. That other guy with a weird name? no thanks
 
Gilles said:
College production doesn't equal NBA production. Whiteside is so much more athletic than Parakhouski. 2.2 blocks in 34 minutes in college is absolutely meaningless. Hawes had the same block rate as 18-year old freshman. On the other hand leading the country in block rate with 20% means a lot. It means that every fifth oppFGA is swatted by him. Hassan and Art have the same rebounding rates.
I'm not really sold on Whiteside. Just putting things into perspective.
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No, I don't disagree with you. My point is that its difficult to project either one at the next level and feel confident about it. I've watched them both play and I can find holes in both their games. With Parakhouski, you right, he's not as athletic as Whiteside, but on the other hand I think he more fundamentaly sound. And thats saying something condidering he's only played basketball for five years. Whiteside is a terrific athlete, but my knock on him is that he's not as consistant from game to game the same way Parakhouski is. He also gets a lot of his rebounds with his athleticism, where Parakhouski gets his by blocking out properly. Ticky tacky stuff of course.

I wouldn't mind having either one of them, but not with a high pick. Thats why I would love to get another first round pick in the second half of the first round.
 
Seen him play a couple of times, what I don't see is why there is so much hype. He IS NOT a top 5 level prospect from what I've seen.
 
SacTownKid said:
Seen him play a couple of times, what I don't see is why there is so much hype. He IS NOT a top 5 level prospect from what I've seen.
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Well despite what a few posters here feel about him, he doesn't have top 5 prospect hype. He's got mid 1st hype and might climb into the back end of the lotto because he's a high upside big.
 
Of course, you all are discussing a backup big for the Kings 2-3 more years down the road? Right? Ah, thought so. Nope definitely not next year or year after. So back to square one on bigs. Bajaden has told me this draft is full of 2's and 3's and very light on big's. And from what has been discussed in this thread, no top 10's this year and maybe only 2-3 in bottom half of first round.

Let's for the moment assume Hawes solidifies his role as the #1 center. He still needs another full year to start to get on even keel with 80% of the other centers in the west and most in the east as well.

Then let's further assume that Donte becomes the defacto starting PF. JT becomes a backup along with Brockman. Why not keep Sean May as the 5th big for the 4-5 slots? He can pound, rebound and is good scorer out to 18 ft or so. And he is better passer than Brockman. Unless, of course, GP has a trick or two up his sleeves to get a productive big to displace one or more of them.
 
CruzDude said:
Of course, you all are discussing a backup big for the Kings 2-3 more years down the road? Right? Ah, thought so. Nope definitely not next year or year after. So back to square one on bigs. Bajaden has told me this draft is full of 2's and 3's and very light on big's. And from what has been discussed in this thread, no top 10's this year and maybe only 2-3 in bottom half of first round.

Let's for the moment assume Hawes solidifies his role as the #1 center. He still needs another full year to start to get on even keel with 80% of the other centers in the west and most in the east as well.

Then let's further assume that Donte becomes the defacto starting PF. JT becomes a backup along with Brockman. Why not keep Sean May as the 5th big for the 4-5 slots? He can pound, rebound and is good scorer out to 18 ft or so. And he is better passer than Brockman. Unless, of course, GP has a trick or two up his sleeves to get a productive big to displace one or more of them.
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Do you really mean 2010 NBA draft. Theme of the draft is actually SF/PF or you may call it "players that can play PF spot".
NO, NO, NO to Donte at 4. It's a bad habit most Kings fans have since Princeton day. More skill at every spot equals more offensive production. Kings don't need that, they need more defense and rebounding. So Donte is your future SG way before he's your future PF.
NO, NO, NO to May. Are you serious? NBA journeyman who can't find minutes on 25-win team?
I love energy that Brockman brings but on a championship team he's your 3rd or rather even 4th big man so Kings need two more on the depth chart before him.
At this point I'm not a big fan of Thompson: he's not that different from Hawes and in 2 years from now Hawes will be equal or better in every aspect of the game except may be off. rebounding and even that may change if Spencer finally bulks up and moves closer to the hoop on offense.
The last idea: can Hawes "pull Gasol" and play alongside defensive-minded C? Kings will have trouble sustaining opp. team PFs but:
1. Opp. team decision-making basically moves from guards' spots to PF since PF will have to react to rotations.
2. Hawes plays more like PF on offense anyway.
3. Your C will provide anything your C should provide - defense in the paint and rebounding.
 
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Gilles said:
Do you really mean 2010 NBA draft. Theme of the draft is actually SF/PF or you may call it "players that can play PF spot".
NO, NO, NO to Donte at 4. It's a bad habit most Kings fans have since Princeton day. More skill at every spot equals more offensive production. Kings don't need that, they need more defense and rebounding. So Donte is your future SG way before he's your future PF.
NO, NO, NO to May. Are you serious? NBA journeyman who can't find minutes on 25-win team?
I love energy that Brockman brings but on a championship team he's your 3rd or rather even 4th big man so Kings need two more on the depth chart before him.
At this point I'm not a big fan of Thompson: he's not that different from Hawes and in 2 years from now Hawes will be equal or better in every aspect of the game except may be off. rebounding and even that may change if Spencer finally bulks up and moves closer to the hoop on offense.
The last idea: can Hawes "pull Gasol" and play alongside defensive-minded C? Kings will have trouble sustaining opp. team PFs but:
1. Opp. team decision-making basically moves from guards' spots to PF since PF will have to react to rotations.
2. Hawes plays more like PF on offense anyway.
3. Your C will provide anything your C should provide - defense in the paint and rebounding.
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Yeah, I don't see Donte as a starting or even a bench PF. I can see him playing the position in certain matchups, but thats about it. I'm still not ready to give up on Thompson, simply because he's a lot more physical than Hawes and is more fundamentaly sound in the rebounding dept. In other words, he blocks out. Even when he doesn't get the rebound, his blocking out allows a teammate to get it.

I also want to clarify something. At the time I was talking to Cruzdude, and we were talking about big men. I stated that there were no sure fire, absolutely can't miss bigs in this draft. In other words, no Blake Griffin, or Tim Duncan's there. However, I didn't elaborate more and say that there were a lot of bigs in the draft, they just had question marks on them. What I did say was that there were a lot of SG's and SF's that were very good and that several of them would be in the top ten. Players like Turner and Johnson. Its possible that even Henry could sneak into the top ten. I doubt it, but you never know.

With the recent and more consistant play of Cousins, I'm starting to believe that he's as close to a can't miss as were going to get. I still have my doubts about Aldrich, but I'd certainly take him if he's there. Unless of course I have a chance at Wall or Turner. By the way. I personally think that Evan Turner is the best player in college basketball. And if the Kings had the first pick, I would pick him over Wall. I think he'll be just as good a player as Wall, and I think he would be a better fit for the Kings.

Please send all your e-mails and posts of disagreement to Gilles, as I'll deny everything as soon as I finish this post.:)
 
Turner IS the best player in college basketball. Wall is the best NBA prospect in college basketball. And I like Turner a lot. The way he affects every posession on both ends of the floor is similar to dominating guards/swingmen in the NBA but the fact is Evan has physical limitations. He's not on par athletically with true elite. I believe he can be SF version of Brandon Roy with maybe better D. Wall looks like bigger Paul right now.
P.S. Thompson is more physical at PF than Hawes at C but that's not saying much.
 
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