Harrison Barnes is opting out
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I think something in the $18M per for 4yrs (Total $72/4rs) would probably land him. I think he is looking for long term security. He has played in relative obscurity since leaving GSW and i doubt that helps him much on the contract scene. He is one of the better SF in the league and is a reasonably good 2 way player. He is quite literally the only person remotely available to the kings who can guard players like Durant and LeBron. I think people here are underestimating his value on the team.
Without naming any names, I have to admit some of the comments in this thread made me smile. Opting out doesn't mean he's headed for the airport. I strongly suspect Vlade already has a plan in the works to keep him on the Kings and that Barnes and his agent will work with him. He's happy here, we're happy with him and we can make him - as others have indicated - a very lucrative long-term offer.
I'm not the biggest Barnes fan, I will admit that much. Him getting a 80 million dollar deal just doesn't look good in my opinion. He is a super role player and the Kings haven't even had an established star player they can say for certain they are building around so to fork out that much for Barnes, I'd much rather Vlade throw that money in Harris' direction.
It’s an odd move unless the King’s have assured him an over pay. Why leave a bunch of money on the table when you could get just as big of a payday next year? Why commit earlier than necessary to a franchise you have limited connection to? Sure there is a risk of injury I suppose. If he does intend to sign I imagine we will know the minute free agency begins.
I suspect this is to sign on for the long term deal at a lesser per year amount.
I would be tempted though in placing a call to Kawhi's camp just to get an idea if there is even the slightest of chances. If there is, go all out to get him.
I think what will happen is that Barnes will sign a longer term deal at less money per season with the Kings which frees up more cap space to address other roster needs.
For the CBA gurus out there:
1. Do we have the bird rights with Barnes (i.e. can we go over the cap to re-sign him)
2. If so, what would be the cap hold on Barnes.
What I am trying to figure out is whether Barnes opting out, and eventually renouncing the rights to WCS clears up enough cap space for the Kings to have a true max room plus some to sign someone before re-signing Barnes to a long term deal?
I would be tempted though in placing a call to Kawhi's camp just to get an idea if there is even the slightest of chances. If there is, go all out to get him.
I think what will happen is that Barnes will sign a longer term deal at less money per season with the Kings which frees up more cap space to address other roster needs.
For the CBA gurus out there:
1. Do we have the bird rights with Barnes (i.e. can we go over the cap to re-sign him)
2. If so, what would be the cap hold on Barnes.
What I am trying to figure out is whether Barnes opting out, and eventually renouncing the rights to WCS clears up enough cap space for the Kings to have a true max room plus some to sign someone before re-signing Barnes to a long term deal?
the 80 Mil offer for 4 yrs is the same as 25,18.3.18.3,18.3
We save 5 mil cap this year
Vucevic for 35 per year? too much
Horford 4 yr 25 yr , Yes Please, Free willy
Beverly 12 mil yr
Fox,Beverly 6.4, 12
Buddy,Bogie 4.9,8.5
Barnes 20
Marv,Bjelly,Sannigan 8.6,6.8,2.0
Horford.Giles 25, 2.6
Dead Money 2.1
10 players , 99 mil
Brewer,Mason,3-2nd picks sg,sf,c with 10mil cap space
We save 5 mil cap this year
Vucevic for 35 per year? too much
Horford 4 yr 25 yr , Yes Please, Free willy
Beverly 12 mil yr
Fox,Beverly 6.4, 12
Buddy,Bogie 4.9,8.5
Barnes 20
Marv,Bjelly,Sannigan 8.6,6.8,2.0
Horford.Giles 25, 2.6
Dead Money 2.1
10 players , 99 mil
Brewer,Mason,3-2nd picks sg,sf,c with 10mil cap space
Horford will be too old when our rookie contracts are due.
The advantage of Vuc is we could sign him on a second contract and go over the cap later. Same for Dedmon + younger others.
Nothing Vlade can do if Vivek will not be willing to pay luxury later though with regards to that.
That's a big consideration.
Vuc would at most cost 31. something million via pay scale in the first year. I broke that down on one of the threads what it would cost to max him but forgot where.
Gotta keep that in mind. Cause we will have trouble going over the cap later.
The advantage of Vuc is we could sign him on a second contract and go over the cap later. Same for Dedmon + younger others.
Nothing Vlade can do if Vivek will not be willing to pay luxury later though with regards to that.
That's a big consideration.
Vuc would at most cost 31. something million via pay scale in the first year. I broke that down on one of the threads what it would cost to max him but forgot where.
Gotta keep that in mind. Cause we will have trouble going over the cap later.
Not a fan of Barnes. He's very average. Hood and Oubre could probably do the same things at half the cost.
The only reason he's overrated in Sac? Team has not had a decent SF since Gay.
Let's see what his real value is across the league. He's opted out. I am yet to read that first news flash that says a team in the league is going to pay him 20 mil a year. Get back to me, when that happens.
The only reason he's overrated in Sac? Team has not had a decent SF since Gay.
Let's see what his real value is across the league. He's opted out. I am yet to read that first news flash that says a team in the league is going to pay him 20 mil a year. Get back to me, when that happens.
I doubt he re-signs with us. What I got out of it is that he's gone. The warriors with Durant out need a SF. They will probably offer him a 2 year deal with an opt out clause if he blows up this year without Durant on the floor. I assume he's going to play the one year in GS and be one of the main scorers and then get paid next year. Anyhow, I doubt we'll keep him. I give it a 5% chance.
Other players have done this very thing. If he were in golden state he would probably be the second option. Just saw someone else had put GS up there and thought to myself it would be a good destination if he wants to play a lot in an attempt to get paid next year. Nothing more. I just "have a feeling" on this one. Nothing more, and I do hope that I am wrong!
There's a poll for fans to predict how much Barnes will be paid per year in his next contract:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1855326
The weighted average of the answers equates to $19,394,444 per year at the moment.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1855326
The weighted average of the answers equates to $19,394,444 per year at the moment.
You would be surprised. Not all of them tossing away as much as Barnes is but players always turn down more money for a prime situation where they could get paid next year. It's not grasping because it happens every year with at least a couple players. Maybe a "ton" was a bit much but every year we see a couple players doing this if there are too many good FAs out there on any given offseason.
Let me throw this out there.. I do NOT want Barnes to leave, and I hope we re-sign him. I just have a bad feeling about it. You can view my prev posts. I want WCS and Barnes to stay because I feel they were getting pretty good together towards the end of the season.
Let me throw this out there.. I do NOT want Barnes to leave, and I hope we re-sign him. I just have a bad feeling about it. You can view my prev posts. I want WCS and Barnes to stay because I feel they were getting pretty good together towards the end of the season.
Other players have done it under the following scenarios:
- Coming back from a serious injury (ala Cousins and to lesser extent Rudy Gay with SA)
- Could not get a long term deal they liked so they signed up with a team to show their stuff (ala Randle and Lopez last year). Neither opted out of the deal to become FAs.
- Player who want a ring and will take a pay cut (West)
Barnes does not fit into 2 of those categories and maybe even 3. He is not coming off a serious injury, he will be offered a long term deal by at least one team (Kings) and he already has a ring and even with him there, I am not sure that GSW are a sure thing for the championship next year.
The circumstances are different to Barnes. He walked away from $25m by opting out only to sign for MLE with the Warriors? I am not sure that has EVER happened and if it did, I would be certain the agent got the sack after that.
Barnes is in a very different spot than you think. He had sure money there and a lot of money. He opted out of that and the only logical conclusion is that he is after a long term deal (especially seeing what happened with the Warriors in the play offs and Cousins last year). You are one injury away from not getting the money you want (see Cousins who will not get a max deal even this off-season). If anything, players would have seen that and gone, I wouldn't mind some long term stability here even if its for less money per season.
- Coming back from a serious injury (ala Cousins and to lesser extent Rudy Gay with SA)
- Could not get a long term deal they liked so they signed up with a team to show their stuff (ala Randle and Lopez last year). Neither opted out of the deal to become FAs.
- Player who want a ring and will take a pay cut (West)
Barnes does not fit into 2 of those categories and maybe even 3. He is not coming off a serious injury, he will be offered a long term deal by at least one team (Kings) and he already has a ring and even with him there, I am not sure that GSW are a sure thing for the championship next year.
The circumstances are different to Barnes. He walked away from $25m by opting out only to sign for MLE with the Warriors? I am not sure that has EVER happened and if it did, I would be certain the agent got the sack after that.
Barnes is in a very different spot than you think. He had sure money there and a lot of money. He opted out of that and the only logical conclusion is that he is after a long term deal (especially seeing what happened with the Warriors in the play offs and Cousins last year). You are one injury away from not getting the money you want (see Cousins who will not get a max deal even this off-season). If anything, players would have seen that and gone, I wouldn't mind some long term stability here even if its for less money per season.