I don't think so. This is an escalation of what happened when Scola threw a ball directly into Love's nether region. There's obviously bad blood between the two and I think David Stern is going to send a message.
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I don't think so. This is an escalation of what happened when Scola threw a ball directly into Love's nether region. There's obviously bad blood between the two and I think David Stern is going to send a message.
He did take 20 shots though ... some of which weren't very good shots. But meh, growing pains.
I don't know. Watching it in real time it looked to me like Love starts to turn around and then realizes Scola is there and tries to kind of skip off one foot to avoid putting the other one down. Scola put his hand/forarm up to protect himself and that caught Love's shin which directed his foot down into his chest.
Tetsujin
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I don't know. Watching it in real time it looked to me like Love starts to turn around and then realizes Scola is there and tries to kind of skip off one foot to avoid putting the other one down. Scola put his hand/forarm up to protect himself and that caught Love's shin which directed his foot down into his chest.
Watching the vid, it looks ambiguously intentional. But that shove to the ground that preceded it was pretty darn flagrant.
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Posta Boy X
G-League
Did anybody else notice Thornton throwing up his hands at least a couple times during the game when Tyreke jacked up a shot and didn't see that Thornton was open?
He seemed pretty upset. ANyone?
He seemed pretty upset. ANyone?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
This is probably nearly as ridiculous as the whole "None of Jimmer's teammates high-fived him that one time in that one game so they all obviously hate him"-argument. Stop looking for conflicts that don't exist.
Posta Boy X
G-League
Wow, way to completely flip the message in my post! Nice job!
You're obviously really confused about things, so let me point out Thornton DID raise his hands when he wasn't passed. That's a FACT. Watch the game again if you missed it. I'm simply asking if anyone else saw that and what their thoughts are.
You're the one that just started a conflict. My question was genuine
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I did give you my thoughts. I think it's hogwash, plain and simple. Every single player who has ever played a game in any sport considered a sport has done something similar t some point in their career. Hell, Kobe looks like someone just ran over his dog every time someone doesn't pass him the ball. You're making mountains out of scattered grains of sand.
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I agree but since the refs didn't even call a foul on either play I bet he sneaks by without a suspension. Could he have avoided stepping on him and did he give him a little extra? Most likely. But since he simply turned and his foot went right down to where it would have if Scola wasn't on the ground Ref. Spudfan rules no suspension!
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My thoughts are inline with Tetsujins. Players seem to always throw their hands up if they don't get the ball when they are open. It's good communication, makes sure guys look for you next time.
Uk kings fan
Bench
Hi mate can i ask where you got your name from???
Posta Boy X
G-League
You could have said that the first time instead of accusing me of trying to start a conflict.
What's the matter with you? Lighten up sweetheart!
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Probably just frustrated that he was open and didn't get the ball - understandable and happens all the time in sports. Tyreke and Marcus seem to be developing some chemistry so I wouldn't say it's an issue at all.
As for the game, it was a great team win but obviously still a lot to work on. Very encouraging to see our "big three" play so well, and I have to say, I think JT is fantastic. He does his job every single night. Funnily enough I think he's usually a pretty smart player, which used to be a knock on hmi when he first got into the league. Thing about JT is, and always has been, is that he's an extremely hard worker. Every off-season, during the season etc., he is always tweeting about working out and hitting the gym. Well, that work ethic is paying dividends. He's developed a nifty little hook which he can use with either hand, and he's a pretty solid man defender. Doesn't turn it over and works his a** off. He deserves huge props for what he's doing this season, thankfully people are recognising his steady contributions. Very comfortable when he's on the floor.
Tyreke played a good game, came up big a couple times. Took a few questionable shots down the stretch, one straight out of a timeout so I'm going to blame Smart for not having a play drawn up. But he made up for it and has a great statline. Contributed as much as anyone else in this win and continues to play very well. His defense is getting better and he has great hands, pawing balls away ala Artest.
Cousins. Not enough I can say here - huge talent and the tenacity to go with it. Just a monster on the boards and beginning to regularly dominate other teams frontlines. Hope to see more of the same, sky is the limit for DMC. Thornton heated up in the second half which we badly needed, also proved pesky at times on defense, although did lose Thompson for a big three that put them ahead.
Salmons deserves a lot of credit too! We're all quick to complain when he's playing bad, so he deserves praise for being a GREAT role player the last two games. It seems as if suddenly, he actually cares about the game. I think it was a confidence issue, John keeps his emotions in check so it seems like he doesn't care, but now that he's gotten some confidence he is hustling and making plays on both sides of the ball. Didn't force anything today either. If we could bottle this John, we'd have a great SF.
Won't vote in the poll as this was a team effort with huge contributions from multiple guys at different stages of the game.
As for the game, it was a great team win but obviously still a lot to work on. Very encouraging to see our "big three" play so well, and I have to say, I think JT is fantastic. He does his job every single night. Funnily enough I think he's usually a pretty smart player, which used to be a knock on hmi when he first got into the league. Thing about JT is, and always has been, is that he's an extremely hard worker. Every off-season, during the season etc., he is always tweeting about working out and hitting the gym. Well, that work ethic is paying dividends. He's developed a nifty little hook which he can use with either hand, and he's a pretty solid man defender. Doesn't turn it over and works his a** off. He deserves huge props for what he's doing this season, thankfully people are recognising his steady contributions. Very comfortable when he's on the floor.
Tyreke played a good game, came up big a couple times. Took a few questionable shots down the stretch, one straight out of a timeout so I'm going to blame Smart for not having a play drawn up. But he made up for it and has a great statline. Contributed as much as anyone else in this win and continues to play very well. His defense is getting better and he has great hands, pawing balls away ala Artest.
Cousins. Not enough I can say here - huge talent and the tenacity to go with it. Just a monster on the boards and beginning to regularly dominate other teams frontlines. Hope to see more of the same, sky is the limit for DMC. Thornton heated up in the second half which we badly needed, also proved pesky at times on defense, although did lose Thompson for a big three that put them ahead.
Salmons deserves a lot of credit too! We're all quick to complain when he's playing bad, so he deserves praise for being a GREAT role player the last two games. It seems as if suddenly, he actually cares about the game. I think it was a confidence issue, John keeps his emotions in check so it seems like he doesn't care, but now that he's gotten some confidence he is hustling and making plays on both sides of the ball. Didn't force anything today either. If we could bottle this John, we'd have a great SF.
Won't vote in the poll as this was a team effort with huge contributions from multiple guys at different stages of the game.
King Baller
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Defense, yep Outlaw stays with his man and towers over most SF's when he extends his arms "STRAIGHT UP".
mr. moustache
Bench
Well. Thorton obviously was frustrated with some of Evans shot selection. It's a conflict that does exist. That doesn't mean it's a big deal, but Evans did go ballhog a few times this game. They also both played great games, so I'm not complaining at all.
King Baller
All-Star
The W's SF's had been killing the Three point shot so Outlaw was in for a few minutes just to rest John Salmons.
This was another great win!!! Two game winning streak
KB
This was another great win!!! Two game winning streak
KB
Mass
Starter
I'm starting to get some hope from this team. Not just because they won two games in a row, but because I'm starting to see signs of improvement. Our big three are really playing well since Smart took over. Now it looks like they know what they are supposed to do. The ball movement is better than it was and the other guys are starting to understand what their role should be. JT is playing great. Very consistent, he doesn't take too many shots form outside, he rebounds very well and he seems confident on the court. Salmons is doing better too, but it was hard for him to do worse...
Most important thing, I'm seeing improvement on the defensive end, especially on the pick and roll defense. Now our bigs makes a much better job helping on the ball handler. It was nice to see it in the game last night.
The only thing that worries me is our bench. We are getting nothing from them, with maybe the exception of IT. But, I hope it's the next step for this team. So far, I like what I'm seeing from this team in the last weeks. We had some bad games (Denver), but in general they look like a better team.
Most important thing, I'm seeing improvement on the defensive end, especially on the pick and roll defense. Now our bigs makes a much better job helping on the ball handler. It was nice to see it in the game last night.
The only thing that worries me is our bench. We are getting nothing from them, with maybe the exception of IT. But, I hope it's the next step for this team. So far, I like what I'm seeing from this team in the last weeks. We had some bad games (Denver), but in general they look like a better team.
John was out in the preseason with an injured right quad. Wonder if he's just finally getting right with it and/or finally getting the practice time in with the team so they are all playing together better? Or maybe aliens really did abduct him a few days ago and change the chip they had implanted? Either way, I support the new (old) look John.
Section 101
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The W's SF's had been killing the Three point shot so Outlaw was in for a few minutes just to rest John Salmons.
This was another great win!!! Two game winning streak
KB
A few mins was enough to blow the 11 point lead.
iowamcnabb
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Ak fortysalmons
King Baller
All-Star
Outlaw blew the lead? Seemed like a group effort to me
But hey all's well that ends well!KB
kingsfan101
Starter
As good as he played yesterday, and has been playing lately, some decisions were bad. At the end of first quarter, he didn't realize the game clock was winding down, made his move too late, and took a contensted 3 pointer. This has happened with us earlier too.
Then, towards half time, he again took a bad shot, when he should have run out the clock a little. Missed the shot, and then fouled Dorrell around mid court when the Ws were in penalty.
Such things are elementary. Focusing on them shall help him as both a player and a leader, and of course, the team.
frownifdown
G-League
Fixed. And I hope he's suspended, that was a douche move.
I agree that is was a group effort.Outlaw blew the lead? Seemed like a group effort to me
KB
And on the Thornton frustration demos, just part of the game. I can complain that in the fourth quarter the reason the Warriors got back in the game was mostly our offense falling back into one-on-one, no passes, no setting up someone for an open shot. The good thing is the team is not doing that as much, ergo our small success. Our guys are learning and improving but it is too easy for these guys to fall back into one-on-one-hood. It is their nature, particularly Evans, Thornton. And when two key ball handlers start doing it, it means their teammates, when they do get the ball, are slow to give it up also.
The frustration by all including me will continue but its getting better.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I think Tyreke is told to dominate the ball at certain points especially at the end of games. This mimics the Kobe, etc. strategy. The thing is, the team seems to play more poorly when this happens. Maybe a few more days or weeks of this is necessary. In my book, if we are going to give the ball to one guy, I'd give it to Thornton. Isn't that what worked last year? Anyway, I hope that game ending strategy is rethought.
You really need to step away from the computer in the wee hours of the morning.
Your observation is totally out of context and without merit. As others have said, it seems as though you're trying very hard to find something to make a mountain out of.
He's a perfect example of a troll trying too hard to be a troll. I for one have no problem being cynical towards the team if they deserve(as they did earlier in the year). But the team has played competitive basketball the past 5 games and we're big time improvement from a majority of the rotation. It finally feels like we have hope for the 1st time in 5-6 years with this team
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
To be fair, at that point, he had played what amounted to the entire first half and was most likely on the verge of passing out on the floor
IfAt1st
Starter
I'm positive that many KF's don't watch the game, and rely almost solely on the box score to fuel their opinions.
If anyone didn't notice Tyreke's repeated blown plays in crunchtime (4th quarter, and the end of quarters) then I really don't know how to make it clear other than get a video of the plays and do a commentary.
Time after time after time last night, Tyreke walked the ball up-court, dribbled away the clock to less than 6 seconds, then made a easy-to-stop move then pulled up and shot a contested jumper that missed. The other times, he did the same thing but threw it to Marcus who hoisted the last-second contested 3 ptr, and another time JT hoisted a contested jumpshot.
That is not the recipe for team success in this league. And very importantly, all of those plays the Kings have all game long and can take anytime they want them. The opposing teams WANT the Kings to run those plays.
Hell, I'm pretty sure I saw a 1-4 flat run after that timeout late in the 4th, and if failed just as spectacularly as when Westphal ran it in crunchtime.
Let me repeat, to be clear - these weren't small little unimportant plays. These were the prepared, called-for and conscious plays that failed spectacularly. These were the potentially game-losing plays, all on Tyreke's (and Smart's) responsibility. If the Kings hadn't have gotten 2 balls to bounce their way at the end of the 4th, they probably would have lost this game because of them (Warriors would have had the ball with 7 seconds left, tie game IIRC).
Let me also be clear - I'm not dismissing Tyreke's statistical contributions or saying he didn't help the team a lot last night. I thought he made a few KEY rebounds, and I don't see anyone trumpeting his RBD statline so far. There'sa reason - the numbers aren't big, but their IMPACT on the game was bigger.
But if anyone is suggesting that he didn't make a lot of mistakes simply isn't watching the game closely.
BTW - here's a statistical observation: if Tyreke simply shoots his career 3 PT % and doesn't make that long contested jumper over Curry (which was not a good shot, but it went in) than he wouldnt've been able to steal the ball for the And-1 - then he would have been 4 for 17 with 15 points.
That's not a good game.
So he got 3 longshots to go in.
That doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy, since we all know his %'s on long shots.
And if I get $hit for simply pointing out what happened on the floor last night, than I don't know what the point of having eyes is.
I'm not bashing Tyreke, or saying anything against the man, or even expressing an opinion.
Here's a prediction, though - the Kings will not win many games if Tyreke keeps initiating the offense as badly as he did last night. There aren't many games that the Kings can afford to score about 20% of the time in crunchtime possessions and win against most NBA teams.
That 1-4 flat play has to be eradicated from the Kings playbook until Tyreke gets better shots out of it, IMO.
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