[Grades] Grades v. Warriors 12/1/2013

[Padrino]

Melo has never missed the playoffs in his NBA career.
John Wall is not close to a superstar. He's not even a top 7 PG.
Kevin Love is a rich man's David Lee. Stat padders who can't defend. Seems like defense keeps coming up.
Duncan had several dominant playoff series where he didn't score much. He's made all-nba defense 11 times starting with his rookie year I believe (but could be wrong). Cousins: none.

I see Cousins' only chance at high level success is if he has a Marc Gasol next to him so he can play a Zach Randolph role. He needs an all-nba level defensive anchor next to him. Or Lebron and Wade roaming the perimeter.

re: carmelo anthony - you asked a question, "what superstar can't even lead his team to a .500 record?" i answered. 'melo's knicks have been pathetic this season...
re: john wall - he's putting up 19/9/4.5 so far this season. that's nearing superstar territory, and would be firmly planted in superstar territory if he didn't shoot the ball so poorly...
re: kevin love - your assessment of love as "a rich man's david lee" doesn't detract from the fact that love, an undeniable superstar, has been unable to lead his team to at least a .500 record since being drafted. to repeat myself, you need more than one...

i do not disagree with you that defense is what separates the good teams from the bad teams. defense and rebounding are, in fact, what i value most highly in an individual talent and a team at large. but it's simply ludicrous to suggest that demarcus cousins, on an island in sacramento with precious little in the way of quality talent around him, will never be a winner. basketball remains a team sport. once again and with finality: you need more than one...

 

[pshn80]

re: carmelo anthony - you asked a question, "what superstar can't even lead his team to a .500 record?" i answered. 'melo's knicks have been pathetic this season...
re: john wall - he's putting up 19/9/4.5 so far this season. that's nearing superstar territory, and would be firmly planted in superstar territory if he didn't shoot the ball so poorly...
re: kevin love - your assessment of love as "a rich man's david lee" doesn't detract from the fact that love, an undeniable superstar, has been unable to lead his team to at least a .500 record since being drafted. to repeat myself, you need more than one...

i do not disagree with you that defense is what separates the good teams from the bad teams. defense and rebounding are, in fact, what i value most highly in an individual talent and a team at large. but it's simply ludicrous to suggest that demarcus cousins, on an island in sacramento with precious little in the way of quality talent around him, will never be a winner. basketball remains a team sport. once again and with finality: you need more than one...

And you need moe OF one.

 

[Siranthony]

As others have said, this team is moving in the right direction. I really think as our schedule gets easier we will start wining more games and gaining confidence.

As a fan I can see Cousins is learning from what is happening to him. I liked how Malone handled the situation last night, letting Cousins cool down and think about things.

Thomas was terrible until we got 10 points down. then he became superman. Coincidence?

I liked how Patterson played last night. He seems to be getting better.

It was also nice to see Thornton score some points.

 

[rainmaker]

Cousins is not a superstar, will never be one. He's a scoring center who does little else. His stats don't translate to wins. What superstar can't even lead his team to a .500 record?

What an utter lack of perspective which doesn't take into account growth or surroundings. First off, you simply completely fail to recognize the talent in comparison to other NBA centers at a still young age..

5th across the league for centers at 10.1 RPG

In 2011-12 was 2nd across the league for centers at 11.o RPG, at age 21.

As a rookie, tied with M Gasol for 3rd across the league for centers with 2.5 APG.

Again in 2012-13, was 3rd across the league for centers with 2.7 APG.

Yet again this year tied for 4th across the league for centers with 2.6 APG.

In 2011-12 ranked first across league both in charges taken and ORPG.

In 2011-12 grabbed 19.8% of available rebs, 3rd highest rate in the NBA

Also in 2011-12 finished 5th in NBA in defensive plays per game.

In 2011-12, 3rd in leagues for centers in double doubles. Last year, 4th.

I could go on but you get the point. That's simply not a one-dimensional player no matter how you slice it. His all around talent is clear to anyone who watches him, these stats simply serve as evidence to those who refuse to consider that talent. There isn't another center in this league who can face up or spot up from 18 ft and hit the jumper, take opposing bigs off the dribble or hurt them in the post with a back to the basket game, as well as run your offense through at either elbow extended or on the block as he's an above average passer from both areas. That's versatility rarely seen aside from a guy like Webber. If you don't recognize the talent and simply take Jim Barnett's words as gospel, you don't belong in this conversation.

Further, not sure how you define superstar but plenty of stars and super stars have failed to reach .500 when there's a lack of talent surrounding them. Add the Maloof/franchise relocation threat, obviously the environment here has been pretty damn unstable.

Kobe in 04-05, 34-48 record.

Wade in 07-08, 15-67 record.

KG in 06-07 was 32-50, in 05-06 was 33-49.

Love, hasn't even made the playoffs.

Pau in 06-07 was 22-60, in 02-03 was 28-54 and didn't have any playoff appearances until Memphis brought in Hubie and had much better supporting talent compared to Cuz now with guys like Mike Miller, JWill, Bonzi, Posey, Battier and Wright. Didn't get real respect until moving to LA with even better talent.

Marc Gasol, with a superior supporting cast in Randolph, Mayo, Gay, Lowry and Conley finished 22-60, 24-58 and 40-42 in consecutive years, the first without Randolph.

I could continue but you seriously lack perspective by making such statements with little context, factoring in environment, age and supporting cast. I didn't even touch on how Cuz stacks up historically against other HOF bigs statistically as Brick did which adds even more weight to this argument and puts more attention on the supporting cast/coaching. Frankly, most Kings fans recognize our lack of talent and have for years, below average players filling up our roster largely a product of terrible ownership, miserable head coaches, poor FO decisions and the most unstable environment the league has seen in well over a decade, and I'm not at all surprised a GS troll lacks any and all perspective in this discussion and that your argument is found wanting/lacking and comes across as uneducated due to a complete lack of context.

 

[VF21]

...My opinion on Cousins is unpopular on this board becuz you guys love Cousins. I don't care. I don't see him with any superstar potential. Hes a good scoring center and that's it. Until he proves me wrong and puts this team on his back and do some damage in the playoffs. He's no superstar. The guy still acts like a mental midget everytime someone messes with his head. He can be having a good night and suddenly goes full tard taking himself off the floor and costs his team the game. I can copy and paste that last line 2, 3 years from now and I bet it will still apply.

The Kings need a true leader before they start winning consistently. Call me a hater or whatever you want. The results don't lie.

No, your opinion is unpopular because you're wrong. Don't flatter yourself that it's anything more.

 

[bajaden]

I fully recognize Big Cuz growth for sure and hopefully he makes NBA All Star team this year. But to me loses are loses, last year was loses, and so far this year is a bunch of loses. So that part remains same with no moral victories that we were sooo close to getting the W. Maybe my frustration is because I have house full of relatives from So Cal (Santa Barbara/Ventura and Arizona/Tucson) and they're taking turns making fun of me for rooting so crazy only to get yet more loses - to LAC and GSW. They all think I'm "sooo weird" (late teens and early 20s ones) that I could be addicted to 28 win team (last year) and now 4-11 team so far this year. Finally, all of them are leaving tonight or by early tomorrow. At least they thanked me for two big smoked turkey's I grilled out on patio BBQ for everyone

Many many years ago, prior to the Kings acquiring Webber, Vlade, Peja Etc. It was common for Seattle and Portland fans to post on this and other forums pointing out how bad the Kings were. That we were the laughing stock of the western division. It took a while, but eventually, they wern't laughing anymore. Now I don't want to bore anyone, but if your talking about running out of patience, and hating the other California teams, with no light at the end of the tunnel, well then welcome to the club (not meaning you). The Kings came here in the 1985/86 season, and started off on the right foot by making the playoffs. They had a nice core of players to build on in Reggie Theus, Larry Drew, Mike Woodson, Otis Thorpe, Tank Thompson, and others. They went 37 and 45 that season. Not great, but good enough to sneak into the playoffs. Our taste for post season competition would have to wait a long time before being satisfied thanks to our GM Joe Axelson, who totally blew up the team. Here is the list of our won loss record for the next 8 years, followed by a brief appearance in the playoffs.

1986/87 - 29 and 53
1987/88 - 24 and 58
1988/89 - 27 and 55
1989/90 - 23 and 59
1990/91 - 25 and 57
1991/92 - 29 and 53
1992/93 - 25 and 57
1993/94 - 28 and 54

1994/95 was the first year of Petrie as the GM. He drafted Brian Grant, Michael (the animal) Smith, and Lawrence Funderburke, and the Kings went 39 and 43, and made the playoffs. They went out in the first round.
1995/96 - 39 and 43. same record, same result.
1996/97 - 34 and 48
1997/98 - 27 and 55
1998/99 - 27 and 23 - This was the miracle year. The first year of Webber, Vlade, Peja, and J. Will. It was also the lock out shortened year. The rest is history. Through all those years, the arena was sold out for every game, and the fans always believed in next year.

Now that was then and this is now. Its much easier for a poor man who has never had wealth to be happy with whatever he's given. But its much harder for a person of wealth to accept being poor. Point being, that the fan base is made up, to a large extent, of fans from the golden years. They're not used to losing, and being patient. In the early days, we were just happy to have a professional sports team in Sacramento. We got to actually see Larry Bird in person instead of on ESPN. Perhaps it was a time of blissful innocence, perhaps not.

This team will rise again. Whether one wants to stick around and go through the growing pains or not, is a personal decision. Personally, I find the reward far more fulfilling when I travel the journey with the team. Painful though it may be at times. All I'm saying is, that this isn't the first time we've gone through this, and it probably won't be the last. It could be worse, we could be Seattle, on the outside looking in!

 

[Glenn]

Many many years ago, prior to the Kings acquiring Webber, Vlade, Peja Etc. It was common for Seattle and Portland fans to post on this and other forums pointing out how bad the Kings were. That we were the laughing stock of the western division. It took a while, but eventually, they wern't laughing anymore. Now I don't want to bore anyone, but if your talking about running out of patience, and hating the other California teams, with no light at the end of the tunnel, well then welcome to the club (not meaning you). The Kings came here in the 1985/86 season, and started off on the right foot by making the playoffs. They had a nice core of players to build on in Reggie Theus, Larry Drew, Mike Woodson, Otis Thorpe, Tank Thompson, and others. They went 37 and 45 that season. Not great, but good enough to sneak into the playoffs. Our taste for post season competition would have to wait a long time before being satisfied thanks to our GM Joe Axelson, who totally blew up the team. Here is the list of our won loss record for the next 8 years, followed by a brief appearance in the playoffs.

1986/87 - 29 and 53
1987/88 - 24 and 58
1988/89 - 27 and 55
1989/90 - 23 and 59
1990/91 - 25 and 57
1991/92 - 29 and 53
1992/93 - 25 and 57
1993/94 - 28 and 54

1994/95 was the first year of Petrie as the GM. He drafted Brian Grant, Michael (the animal) Smith, and Lawrence Funderburke, and the Kings went 39 and 43, and made the playoffs. They went out in the first round.
1995/96 - 39 and 43. same record, same result.
1996/97 - 34 and 48
1997/98 - 27 and 55
1998/99 - 27 and 23 - This was the miracle year. The first year of Webber, Vlade, Peja, and J. Will. It was also the lock out shortened year. The rest is history. Through all those years, the arena was sold out for every game, and the fans always believed in next year.

Now that was then and this is now. Its much easier for a poor man who has never had wealth to be happy with whatever he's given. But its much harder for a person of wealth to accept being poor. Point being, that the fan base is made up, to a large extent, of fans from the golden years. They're not used to losing, and being patient. In the early days, we were just happy to have a professional sports team in Sacramento. We got to actually see Larry Bird in person instead of on ESPN. Perhaps it was a time of blissful innocence, perhaps not.

This team will rise again. Whether one wants to stick around and go through the growing pains or not, is a personal decision. Personally, I find the reward far more fulfilling when I travel the journey with the team. Painful though it may be at times. All I'm saying is, that this isn't the first time we've gone through this, and it probably won't be the last. It could be worse, we could be Seattle, on the outside looking in!

As my respected elder I welcome your musings.

 

[bajaden]

Cousins is not a superstar, will never be one. He's a scoring center who does little else. His stats don't translate to wins. What superstar can't even lead his team to a .500 record? Superstar centers thoughout history dominated both ends of the floor or at least dominated the defensive end because that where centers can make their biggest impact (see Bill Russell, Hakeem, Duncan, Ewing, Shaq... all first team all-nba defense selections). Score-first centers who don't impact defensively will never win anything in this league. Cousins will never be a player that leads his team to playoff success because of his non-impact defense. While hes good in the post, he's a very poor mid-range shooter (3rd worst among all NBA starters 10-15 feet last season), and he takes a lot of them. The Warriors' game plan (and other teams as well I suppose) is to let Cousins shoot his jumpers. 8 of his first 12 points last night were on midrange jumpers. 1 was a reversed dunk where he had 2 different pivot feet and took 5 steps and Bogut backed off expecting a whistle. I will give him credit for the last 2 postups late in the game. Bogut defended him as well as any big man could. He made the shots.

However, I have said this before. Cousins shooting jumpers is a recipe for a lot of Kings losses. He has shown no intention of taking less jumpers. Cousins shooting jumpers doesn't do anything but hurt floor spacing for his shooters and when he (or they) miss, it's a long rebound that heads the other way for a fast break. He's very good in the post against most NBA centers, but several top teams in the league have a lockdown defensive 5 that will make things hard when the game slows down to a half court game in the playoffs and teams pack the lane.

My opinion on Cousins is unpopular on this board becuz you guys love Cousins. I don't care. I don't see him with any superstar potential. Hes a good scoring center and that's it. Until he proves me wrong and puts this team on his back and do some damage in the playoffs. He's no superstar. The guy still acts like a mental midget everytime someone messes with his head. He can be having a good night and suddenly goes full tard taking himself off the floor and costs his team the game. I can copy and paste that last line 2, 3 years from now and I bet it will still apply.

The Kings need a true leader before they start winning consistently. Call me a hater or whatever you want. The results don't lie.

If I didn't know better, I'd call you stupid or ignorant, but your not, and that's what makes this somewhat frustrating. You apparently have some personal bias against Cousins, because you ignore whats happening before your eyes. Cousins stats are up across the board except for maybe rebounding, and that's because he's always been a good rebounder. You constantly bring up is defense, which has improved, unless your just blind. You say he's not, nor will he ever be a superstar. Well unless you can see the future, that's just your opinion, and not a fact. Is Dwight Howard a superstar? I'm not sure what your definition is, and whatever it is, once again, its just your opinion. Personally I've never cared for the term. I perfer to refer to players as stars. And even that is relevant to their circumstance.

Some people think that Rondo is a superstar. I don't, but that doesn't make me right, its just my perception. If you think Howard is a superstar, but you ignore his deficiencies on offense, and point out Cousins on defense, and I say whats the difference? And I'm not saying you consider Howard a superstar, but many do. There are few perfect players, and damm few at the beginning of their careers. Jordan was bad outside shooter. Wade couldn't, and for the most part, still can't, consistently hit a three. Give me a player, and I can find something wrong with him. What separates stars from average players is that they really excel in some areas. Is Melo a superstar when he doesn't play good defense? Ask Shumpert!

The truth is, a superstar, or star, is defined by the fans. If the majority of the fans think your a star, then you are. You'll be valued as a player, and a person fans want to pay to see, and you'll be handsomely rewarded for it. So essentially, your opinion, as is mine, is worthless. Cousins status won't be defined by you or me. But by general consensus. All your opinion is, is an irritant to the fans on this forum that happen to like Cousins. It doesn't matter to me, because frankly, I don't really care what you think.

 

[bajaden]

Yep, this is Cold's issue right here.

It's sort of the same thing we have with Kings fans that just listen to the Kings broadcasts.
The Warrior's announcers bashed Cousins from the opening tip to the closing whistle in the last game and have been beating the same drum since he hit the league. If that's all you hear then of course you're going to be convinced that he won't amount to anything. In multiple games I've heard them mention that stat about last year and poor shooting from the outside, but it's sort of an irrelevant comment because it's no longer 'last year' and he's crushing you on 10-13 shooting. If our guards played even average defense we would have won that game and then what would their commentary have been like? My guess is that they would have ignored what Cousins did and continued with their continual bashing.
It's the same thing with Kings fans who have an unreasonable expectation that IT can be CP3 or John Stockton since Grant and Jerry drummed him up to that level consistently all year last year.

Does Cousins have his faults? Of course he does, but how many teams would turn down the opportunity to trade their starting Center for him right now?

Truth is, most announcers know their own players pretty well, but when it comes to other teams, they simply repeat what the producer is saying in their ear. How many times last night did they say that Cousins is a horrible freethrow shooter, when in fact, he's shooting 69.9% this year, which isn't great by any means, but is a long way from being horrible. They also forgot to mention that he shot 73% from the line last season, which more than acceptable. DeAndre Jordan would give his first born to shoot that percentage. I doubt we'll be seeing hackaCuz anytime soon. Its all about perception. When Griffin takes a 17 foot jumpshot, the announcers say his shot is really improving. When Cousins takes one, they question his BBIQ. Of course there's no bias there......

 

[bajaden]

Last night's game, came from the Warriors network. It was interesting to hear the opposition's opinions for awhile, but then they started to really pee me off. Like when DMC made Bogut look really bad, and the announcer's laughed it off. I can't stand the California NBA teams except for the Kings of course.

At a time when it is hard to be optimistic, I see the Kings in every game now. Not in every quarter, but in every game. They used to lose by 15-20 points a lot.

DWil was disappointing against a good defender. He looks lost on offense. PG is more worrisome than the first 10 games. BMac gets flustered when his long ball is not falling. Cousins has come a long way mentally since last year. The refs still give him a hard time.

I didn't think that D. Will looked lost at all. And if he did, he had every excuse, since it was only his second game and he only had a couple of practices. He rebounded well, and if you want to credit Barnes for his defense, then the same can be said for Williams. Barnes didn't do much scoring when Williams was guarding him. It cuts both ways. Right now, Williams outside shot is his issue, and will continue to be, until he starts hitting it. The other teams are going to start laying off him if he tries to space the floor by going to one of the corners. So the best thing he can do is do what he did last night, and that's keep moving without the ball. At least that keeps his defender honest, lest he lose Williams for a backdoor.

 

[Sluggah]

Cousins is not a superstar, will never be one. He's a scoring center who does little else. His stats don't translate to wins. What superstar can't even lead his team to a .500 record? Superstar centers thoughout history dominated both ends of the floor or at least dominated the defensive end because that where centers can make their biggest impact (see Bill Russell, Hakeem, Duncan, Ewing, Shaq... all first team all-nba defense selections). Score-first centers who don't impact defensively will never win anything in this league. Cousins will never be a player that leads his team to playoff success because of his non-impact defense. While hes good in the post, he's a very poor mid-range shooter (3rd worst among all NBA starters 10-15 feet last season), and he takes a lot of them. The Warriors' game plan (and other teams as well I suppose) is to let Cousins shoot his jumpers. 8 of his first 12 points last night were on midrange jumpers. 1 was a reversed dunk where he had 2 different pivot feet and took 5 steps and Bogut backed off expecting a whistle. I will give him credit for the last 2 postups late in the game. Bogut defended him as well as any big man could. He made the shots.

However, I have said this before. Cousins shooting jumpers is a recipe for a lot of Kings losses. He has shown no intention of taking less jumpers. Cousins shooting jumpers doesn't do anything but hurt floor spacing for his shooters and when he (or they) miss, it's a long rebound that heads the other way for a fast break. He's very good in the post against most NBA centers, but several top teams in the league have a lockdown defensive 5 that will make things hard when the game slows down to a half court game in the playoffs and teams pack the lane.

My opinion on Cousins is unpopular on this board becuz you guys love Cousins. I don't care. I don't see him with any superstar potential. Hes a good scoring center and that's it. Until he proves me wrong and puts this team on his back and do some damage in the playoffs. He's no superstar. The guy still acts like a mental midget everytime someone messes with his head. He can be having a good night and suddenly goes full tard taking himself off the floor and costs his team the game. I can copy and paste that last line 2, 3 years from now and I bet it will still apply.

The Kings need a true leader before they start winning consistently. Call me a hater or whatever you want. The results don't lie.

I hate feeling this way, but I can no longer take you seriously at all. This is especially disheartening since I, like you, am trying to make the other NorCal team my 'second team' now that I live in SF. I had related to you somewhat.

But you have lost all credibility with this post. You're typing nonsense (and not just as a result of using words like 'becuz' or 'cud' - only partially).

Either way...superstar or not...championships or not...in the end, Cousins will have been infinitely more exciting and enjoyable to watch than Bogut or most other centers. And that's what keeps me tuning into games. Not hypothetical bragging rights.

So enjoy your defensive anchor, I guess. Hopefully a championship comes along to justify him.

 

[Cold]

I hate feeling this way, but I can no longer take you seriously at all. This is especially disheartening since I, like you, am trying to make the other NorCal team my 'second team' now that I live in SF. I had related to you somewhat.

But you have lost all credibility with this post. You're typing nonsense (and not just as a result of using words like 'becuz' or 'cud' - only partially).

Either way...superstar or not...championships or not...in the end, Cousins will have been infinitely more exciting and enjoyable to watch than Bogut or most other centers. And that's what keeps me tuning into games. Not hypothetical bragging rights.

So enjoy your defensive anchor, I guess. Hopefully a championship comes along to justify him.

Dude, cheer for whatever team and players you want to cheer for. What does my opinion of certain Kings players have to do with that?
"I'm gonna stop liking the Warriors becuz you don't like my favorite player Cousins, and your center is boring so don't say anything bad about Cousins."

???

You have a problem with me typing "becuz" and "cud"? *shrugs* I don't care, man.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I just want to know where you were to let us know what you thought about Cousins when your team was 23-43? Why didn't we have any tough-talking Warriors fans when they were busy missing the playoffs 17 out of 18 times? It's not like this message board just showed up, or anything... You guys just got good yesterday, and now you want to flex?

 

[Cold]

I just want to know where you were to let us know what you thought about Cousins when your team was 23-43? Why didn't we have any tough-talking Warriors fans when they were busy missing the playoffs 17 out of 18 times? It's not like this message board just showed up, or anything... You guys just got good yesterday, and now you want to flex?

OK.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Well, that says it all, doesn't it. Your team has that "new car smell," and you guys want to drive two miles an hour, so everybody sees you. I get that.

 

[Cold]

Well, that says it all, doesn't it. Your team has that "new car smell," and you guys want to drive two miles an hour, so everybody sees you. I get that.

What in the world are you talking about?

The Warriors are a team. Cousins is a player.

Ah I get it... Team Cousins.

Why does it matter whether I'm a Warriors fan, Heat fan, or Bobcats fan? My opinion regarding Cousins is the same. Good night my friend.

 

[mac]

What in the world are you talking about?

The Warriors are a team. Cousins is a player.

Ah I get it... Team Cousins.

Why does it matter whether I'm a Warriors fan, Heat fan, or Bobcats fan? My opinion regarding Cousins is the same. Good night my friend.

Likewise, it doesn't matter what fan you are if your opinion is a silly one. Alternatively, to paraphrase what you say in every other post, "we don't care what you think".

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Hell, I'd actually respect you if you were a Bobcats fan; at least we know there ain't no Bobcats bandwagon.

 

[Cold]

That's stupid. I sure as hell ain't no Kings bandwagon fan (who the hell would choose a losing team to jump on?). And I sure as hell ain't a Warriors bandwagon fan becuz I've been a Warriors fan for 23 years. Kings fan for 13, 14 years. When Warriors and Kings play 4 nights a year, I'm not a Kings fan.

Don't be butt hurt. Just take the loss like a man and stop whining.

Your respect is worth nada to me so I don't give a darn.

Sweet dreams!

 

[Dime Dropper]

That's stupid. I sure as hell ain't no Kings bandwagon fan (who the hell would choose a losing team to jump on?). And I sure as hell ain't a Warriors bandwagon fan becuz I've been a Warriors fan for 23 years. Kings fan for 13, 14 years. When Warriors and Kings play 4 nights a year, I'm not a Kings fan.

Don't be butt hurt. Just take the loss like a man and stop whining.

Your respect is worth nada to me so I don't give a darn.

Sweet dreams!

It's telling that you're only replying to posts that are off-topic, and not to the ones about DeMarcus' game, which show how... outdated (to put it nicely), your views on him are.

 

[Cold]

It's telling that you're only replying to posts that are off-topic, and not to the ones about DeMarcus' game, which show how... outdated (to put it nicely), your views on him are.

I already provided lengthy arguments with stats to back up my point of view. Stop being lazy and go back to page 1 and 2. I have no interest in responding to individual comments.

 

[Glenn]

I have no interest in responding to individual comments.

Really? What do you have an interest in doing by posting notes here? You have made it very clear in a variety of ways that you do not care what other people say. It seems any conversation with you flows one way and for me, that just is not interesting. I am surprised that seemingly intelligent people respond to you considering your world seems to end about an inch from your skin.

 

[Cold]

Perhaps it would have been better if the Kings won the game. The butt hurt is deep.

 

[Chubbs]

I just want to know where you were to let us know what you thought about Cousins when your team was 23-43? Why didn't we have any tough-talking Warriors fans when they were busy missing the playoffs 17 out of 18 times? It's not like this message board just showed up, or anything... You guys just got good yesterday, and now you want to flex?

The warriors announcers went from pretty decent to unbearable when they got good. There's an arrogance there that's pretty much completely unwarranted. Warriors just got good after decades of bad. How did they get so arrogant so quick?

That said, Jerry and grant will be obnoxious if the kings even became a .500 team. They already are obnoxious making IT out to be the most exciting player in the nba.

And cold, chill man.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I already provided lengthy arguments with stats to back up my point of view. Stop being lazy and go back to page 1 and 2. I have no interest in responding to individual comments.

So in other words, you have no interest in defending your weak argument when others point out how flawed it is. Your whole argument is that Cuz is not an elite defender, therefore he will never be a superstar. I don't think I have to point out how mind-bogglingly stupid that is.

As for the butt-hurt comments, I don't really get where you're coming from. It has nothing to do with the Warriors or their recent win over us. Obviously they're clearly a better team than us right now. I don't even think people here particularly dislike GSW, just the announcers, who are pretty god-awful if we're being objective. But even if we had won, people would still be attacking your argument because, well, it's stupid. Seems to me you're simply using the Warriors win as a kind of cheap dig because people are ridiculing your opinion. Which is just petty. The win is irrelevant. I, probably like most people, don't mind the Warriors at all. They're easy to root for in the POs because they can get hot and give the real contenders a scare, but they're not a legitimate threat to go all the way and that's what makes it hard to dislike them. So again, the butt-hurt comments appear to be you letting off steam rather than people actually being pissed off about the loss.

 

[Padrino]

The warriors announcers went from pretty decent to unbearable when they got good. There's an arrogance there that's pretty much completely unwarranted. Warriors just got good after decades of bad. How did they get so arrogant so quick?

That said, Jerry and grant will be obnoxious if the kings even became a .500 team. They already are obnoxious making IT out to be the most exciting player in the nba.

And cold, chill man.

part of it is all this "darlings of the league" nonsense that the major media outlets feel the need to reinforce with every waking breath. the warriors consistently poll as a "must-watch" team, and if you like crisp jump shooting, then they certainly are a "must-watch" team. personally, it's not the style of play i enjoy, because jump shooters are easily stymied in a seven game playoff series. regardless, i just think the sweeping national attention has gone to their heads...

golden state will be better than their mediocre record once andre iguodala returns from injury. and if their defense can tighten up the screws on a consistent basis, they have a realistic chance to contend in a western conference that is brutally tough across the board, but lacks a clear standout. i'm not convinced they can go the distance, though. mark jackson is a great motivator, but he's a tactically deficient head coach that will insist on riding steph curry until those glass ankles shatter...

 

[Chubbs]

So in other words, you have no interest in defending your weak argument when others point out how flawed it is. Your whole argument is that Cuz is not an elite defender, therefore he will never be a superstar. I don't think I have to point out how mind-bogglingly stupid that is.

As for the butt-hurt comments, I don't really get where you're coming from. It has nothing to do with the Warriors or their recent win over us. Obviously they're clearly a better team than us right now. I don't even think people here particularly dislike GSW, just the announcers, who are pretty god-awful if we're being objective. But even if we had won, people would still be attacking your argument because, well, it's stupid. Seems to me you're simply using the Warriors win as a kind of cheap dig because people are ridiculing your opinion. Which is just petty. The win is irrelevant. I, probably like most people, don't mind the Warriors at all. They're easy to root for in the POs because they can get hot and give the real contenders a scare, but they're not a legitimate threat to go all the way and that's what makes it hard to dislike them. So again, the butt-hurt comments appear to be you letting off steam rather than people actually being pissed off about the loss.

The warriors, quite frankly, are not good enough to hate.

 

[TheFirstBandwagonKingsFan]

That's stupid. I sure as hell ain't no Kings bandwagon fan (who the hell would choose a losing team to jump on?). And I sure as hell ain't a Warriors bandwagon fan becuz I've been a Warriors fan for 23 years. Kings fan for 13, 14 years. When Warriors and Kings play 4 nights a year, I'm not a Kings fan.

Don't be butt hurt. Just take the loss like a man and stop whining.

Your respect is worth nada to me so I don't give a darn.

Sweet dreams!

To throw my opinion in I am a kings bandwagoner. So there is at least one! Lol

 

[kingsfan101]

BTW, does anyone know if the league has taken (or even considering) any action against Bogut. Checked on ESPN, but didn't see anything.

It shall be sad if he is able to get away with it, particularly when such acts typically invite some penalty from the league. Unless strict action is taken, teams shall continue to target Cousins. AFAIK, Chris Paul was also allowed to get away with his flop.

Strong action by the league, coupled with a reputation for such players as floppers/thugs, bringing them under the eyes of the refs is the only way to control such cheating.

 

[Bricklayer]

BTW, does anyone know if the league has taken (or even considering) any action against Bogut. Checked on ESPN, but didn't see anything.

It shall be sad if he is able to get away with it, particularly when such acts typically invite some penalty from the league. Unless strict action is taken, teams shall continue to target Cousins. AFAIK, Chris Paul was also allowed to get away with his flop.

Strong action by the league, coupled with a reputation for such players as floppers/thugs, bringing them under the eyes of the refs is the only way to control such cheating.

Have heard nothing, which I agree is troubling if there is going to be any consistency.