Grades v. Warriors 1/14

[PurpleHaze]

This morning on ESPN Hannah Storm did a recap of Kings/W's game and made a couple mistakes. She said, Kings win "ended a 12 game losing streak." It did end a 12 game ROAD losing streak - but that's not what she said. In the highlight package she said "winning corner shot in 3 OT thriller by Kevin Martin" - not John Salmons. Even the G-Man on radio called last second desperation 32 foot shot by GSW for Jamal Crawford, when it was launched by Kelenna Azubuike - nearly going in. Hey, nobody's perfect and G-Man's live call was in heat of the moment - plus he corrected within a minute as Jason Ross gave him heads up. The best recap I've seen used GSW TV announcers who are legitimately besides themselves that neither W's or Kings were using their FOULS TO GIVE down the stretch REPEATEDLY in all three OT's. Totally baffling

 

[Entity]

Hey Brick I know you like 82games.com and you mentioned Jason Thompsons +/- last night was the best of everybody. Jason Thompson +/- is the best for the season as well according to 82games.com

 

[Gary]

Guess that's worse than Jerry Reynolds calling CJ Watson AJ Watson..

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

I voted Salmons, he put up good numbers all around, hit a clutch shot to win the game, played the most minutes of anybody on the team, and was the only member of the 5 players Natt went with in the last 20 minutes that didn't screw up in some major way.

 

[tradepeja]

I think that the point was closer to: 10-30 teams and 11-29 teams get the respect they deserve.

I'm getting trolled here right? Watch that Top 10 and tell me that John or Kevin's shot doesn't belong somewhere in it. Triple OT, guys! I don't care if its a two senior retirement teams playing, if the game went into triple OT, something exciting happened.

I think I could get you guys to disagree with me on what day it is.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I'm getting trolled here right?

No, but when you post, I often wonder if I am...

Watch that Top 10 and tell me that John or Kevin's shot doesn't belong somewhere in it. Triple OT, guys! I don't care if its a two senior retirement teams playing, if the game went into triple OT, something exciting happened.

Excitement is relative. What you saw as exciting, I saw as two bad teams trying to decide who wanted to lose the game more. I don't get excited about game winners for their own sake, and the game itself did nothing for me... Of course, I'm not a big fan of offense, anyway.

 

[kennadog]

I think that the point was closer to: 10-30 teams and 11-29 teams get the respect they deserve.

Possibly, but I remember when we were the winningest team in the league and I'd stay up to watch for highlights from our game on ESPN. Generally, they'd show players from the other team making flashy dunks and then it was like,"oh yeah, by the way, the Kings won that game."

I finally quit expecting them to show any respect to our team ever, no matter how good we were. The only western team that generally gets attention from the east coast media (NBA TV; ESPN) is the Lakers, no matter how good or bad they are. I don't think the Spurs, another small market team, get much TV attention or respect either, until the playoffs roll around.

 

[Kingster]

Well, were Kings of the world again, if only for one game. We trounced the mighty Warriors. Barely! I would have liked to see JT get more time. he was having one of his better games and is starting to look like he's getting it.

I would like someone to explain to me with this obsession some coaches have with match-ups. Why, for heavens sake, when you have a huge advantage in height, do you forsake that advantage, and play the game your opponent wants you to play? To my mind, thats the ultimate stupidity.

There's a reasonable argument for foresaking the advantage when all three of your bigs are not good offensive post players (not yet anyway). If you can't punish them in the post then you've got to go small because you're big can't guard their small. What really bothered me about this game was the fact that the D-leaguers of the Warrior could make the Kings go to three overtimes. Their quickness to the ball was much greater than ours. Just goes to show how much we need to improve athletically. By the way, Nelson was very smart in forcing Miller to play pick and rolls taking him away from the basket in the overtime games; then their offensive player with the ball would shoot it every time (orders from Nelson I believe) and more times than not they would end up with an offensive rebound if there was a miss.

 

[Bricklayer]

Possibly, but I remember when we were the winningest team in the league and I'd stay up to watch for highlights from our game on ESPN. Generally, they'd show players from the other team making flashy dunks and then it was like,"oh yeah, by the way, the Kings won that game."

I finally quit expecting them to show any respect to our team ever, no matter how good we were. The only western team that generally gets attention from the east coast media (NBA TV; ESPN) is the Lakers, no matter how good or bad they are. I don't think the Spurs, another small market team, get much TV attention or respect either, until the playoffs roll around.

I think that this is that small town inferiority thing Kings fans have had forever -- we were one of the absolute darlings of ESPN and everybody else at our peak, and we were the same size market. Its the whole reaosn why even now this team continues to have fans from outside of Northern California (outside fo us ex-pats) -- the media spread those exciting teams across the world. We just had a team that somebody outside of Sacramento could get excited about. Now, not remotely. The only reason Sacto highlights were sometimes scarce was because of the West Coast problem -- the main recap shows are put together while we are still playing out on the West Coast.

We aren't being discriminated against because we're small market, we're being discriminated against because we suck and nobody cares. And when we are playing a second team that sucks and nobody cares about, it might as well be an NBDL game as far as interest outside of the 916 (and 510) area codes. When we did the triple OT back in the day and Peja won it, it was absolutely on ESPN and Peja's gamewinner was on the top plays. Its about the quality of our team, not the home town.

 

[NoBonus]

Why does Bobby Jackson continue to get minutes? He does nothing but hold a place for the Kings... and how come Jackson gets solid minutes and Douby gets DNP after DNP? They both do about the same thing... turn the ball over, defend poorly, and jack up threes they will miss most of the time.

 

[kennadog]

No, this is that small town inferiority thing Kings fans have had forever -- we were one of the absolute darlings of ESPN and everybody else at our peak, and we were the same size market. The whole reaosn why even now this team continues to have fans from outside of Northern California -- the media spread those exciting teams across the world. We just had a team that somebody outside of Sacramento could get remotely excited about. The only reason Sacto highlights were sometimes scarce was because of the West Coast problem -- the main recap shows are put together while we are still playing out on the West Coast.

We aren't being discriminated against because we're small market, we're being discriminated against because we suck and nobody cares. And when we are playing a second team that sucks and nobody cares about, it might as well be an NBDL game as far as interest outside of the 916 (and 510) area codes. When we did the triple OT back in the day and Peja won it, it was absolutely on ESPN and Peja's gamewinner was on the top plays. Its about the quality of our team, not the home town.

I understand why the media has little interest in us now. But I thought we didn't get much respect when we were good, at least as far as game recaps late in the evening went.

We got more notice for sure then, than now. But I can't tell you how many times I stayed up specifically to watch Kings games highlights back in the glory years and was treated to several game highlights that were mainly of our opponent's dunks. I won't forget going to bed pissed that they barely showed a Kings play and wondering why I bothered to stay up late. We didn't dunk much and TV media adores dunks over almost anything else.

Back then I finally gave up expecting to see highlights that actually highlighted more than one or two Kings plays along with more highlights focussed on the team we beat. As to the the fact that our games are out west? I would have bought that argument back then, except they would manage to get plenty of Lakers highlights from games played in the same time zone. Blech.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Anybody who denies there's not an obvious east coast biased in general and specifically against a team like the Sacramento Kings is well - biased. Such individuals most likely are from the east coast or live there now.

 

[Warhawk]

I understand why the media has little interest in us now. But I thought we didn't get much respect when we were good, at least as far as game recaps late in the evening went.

We got more notice for sure then, than now. But I can't tell you how many times I stayed up specifically to watch Kings games highlights back in the glory years and was treated to several game highlights that were mainly of our opponent's dunks. I won't forget going to bed pissed that they barely showed a Kings play and wondering why I bothered to stay up late. We didn't dunk much and TV media adores dunks over almost anything else.

Back then I finally gave up expecting to see highlights that actually highlighted more than one or two Kings plays along with more highlights focussed on the team we beat. As to the the fact that our games are out west? I would have bought that argument back then, except they would manage to get plenty of Lakers highlights from games played in the same time zone. Blech.

Agreed.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Why does Bobby Jackson continue to get minutes? He does nothing but hold a place for the Kings... and how come Jackson gets solid minutes and Douby gets DNP after DNP? They both do about the same thing... turn the ball over, defend poorly, and jack up threes they will miss most of the time.

Yeah, but Jackson turns the ball over and jacks up threes like a veteran. Douby does those things at a rookie level.

 

[Bricklayer]

Back then I finally gave up expecting to see highlights that actually highlighted more than one or two Kings plays along with more highlights focussed on the team we beat. As to the the fact that our games are out west? I would have bought that argument back then, except they would manage to get plenty of Lakers highlights from games played in the same time zone. Blech.

You mean the 3x World Champion Lakers led by 2 HOFs + a HOF coach? Then led by 4 HOFs + a HOF coach? That is indeed a shocker.

How'd we do on highlights vs. the Clippers? The Warriors? Its not smalltown/bigtown. Its interest/excitement. For 5 years we were on national TV more than any other team but the Lakers. Not the Knicks. Not the Bulls. Not the Clippers. Sacramento.

 

[Bricklayer]

Anybody who denies there's not an obvious east coast biased in general and specifically against a team like the Sacramento Kings is well - biased. Such individuals most likely are from the east coast or live there now.

East Coast bias is one of a number of rather weak blanket excuses which allow people to avoid looking in the mirror. Its always somebody else's fault, and they are always discriminating against me.

 

[kennadog]

You mean the 3x World Champion Lakers led by 2 HOFs + a HOF coach? Then led by 4 HOFs + a HOF coach? That is indeed a shocker.

How'd we do on highlights vs. the Clippers? The Warriors? Its not smalltown/bigtown. Its interest/excitement. For 5 years we were on national TV more than any other team but the Lakers. Not the Knicks. Not the Bulls. Not the Clippers. Sacramento.

I'm not talking about the games on TV now or then. The comment was made about highlights on coverage other than the games. I'd say western teams generally fare poorly compared to eastern teams. And it can't just be solely becasue of the lateness of games, if late Laker games manage to get on the shows, even when they weren't great after Shaq left and PJ wasn't there. And that doesn't explain why a western team with HOFer's and a HOF coach like the Spurs gets noticeably less attention, too.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Does ESPN have an East Coast bias when covering college basketball? by Javier Morales

For a good idea about ESPN having an East coast bias look no further than "Duke-ie" Vitale.
Vitale broadcasts so many Duke games for ESPN, the Cameron Crazies are no longer crazy about his appearance at Cameron Indoor Stadium. Remember when they lifted him and carried him through the student section about two decades ago? Now, Vitale is like the unwanted uncle who visits the house too much.
That's only a skin-deep argument about ESPN's East coast bias in its coverage of college basketball. The muscle of the argument against ESPN's coverage is the comments made by its analysts.
When Syracuse was rightfully omitted from the 2007 NCAA men's basketball tournament, all the ESPN talking heads criticized the selection committee. Their main contention was Syracuse playing in a tough Big East conference and beating the likes of Georgetown only a couple of weeks prior at home.
Thank goodness the selection committee puts credence into non-conference scheduling. Syracuse's top non-conference foes in the 2006-07 season were Wichita State and Oklahoma State - hardly top 20 material - and both of those games were in the state of New York. The Orangemen lost both games.
ESPN's disgust with the committee's decision was so obvious that Syracuse's school newspaper, if you can believe it, wrote "Even Doug Gottlieb" thought the Orangemen deserved to be part of March Madness.
The excuse much of the East coast media makes is that basketball on the West coast is played too late. For instance, an 8:30 p.m. tipoff between Arizona and UCLA in Los Angeles is at 11:30 p.m. on the East coast. Who is awake that late to watch the game?
Well, is it not obvious that the media that proclaims it covers college basketball to the fullest should be awake?
Shouldn't this example of an Arizona-UCLA game be prominent in the next day's highlights to inform the viewer who had to miss the game because of the late tip?
Pay close attention to ESPN's coverage and you will notice that the network does not follow this logical practice.
Other questions to ponder:
When's the last time you remember Vitale announcing a Pac-10 or West coast game? He can because the Pac-10 has a television deal with ABC-TV, which is affiliated with ESPN. But he decides not to.
Where would Duke be today without ESPN? Is Coach K on the payroll?
Why is a former Duke player (Jay Bilas) and former North Carolina player (Hubert Davis) part of ESPN's college basketball GameDay program. Memo to ESPN: The West has also produced players who are keen on college basketball and its developments.
Why does the Big Monday's third game, which is usually a West coast game, have the third-string announcing crew all the time?
The most frustrating aspect is ESPN will not change and its attitude is that of "We don't have to change." And, unfortunately, that is the case. The network's moniker "Worldwide Leader in Sports" is accurate. Fox Sports does not compete because of its bland on-air personalities and scheduling issues.
Fox sees no problem starting a West coast game at 8:30 p.m., Pacific time. The network does not market itself like ESPN.
So ESPN is the bully on the block. Go ahead and try to change their ways. Make their day, as Clint Eastwood said. ESPN won't flinch an eye. Get ready for more "Duke-ie" Vitale at Cameron Indoor Stadium no matter how much it makes your stomach turn.

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[kingsnation]

sigh... I can't believe I missed this game!!! I had to work a 15 hour day and had to be back at work by 7 am the next morning. So, I went online to check the score Thursday morning. and I couldn't believe it.

I missed this one. And it sucks.