Grades v. Warriors 1/14

Kings player of the game?

  • Beno

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Martin

    Votes: 6 7.5%
  • Miller

    Votes: 45 56.3%
  • Salmons

    Votes: 13 16.3%
  • Cisco

    Votes: 14 17.5%

  • Total voters
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We finally found our winning formula: play the 11 win team. Make sure they are missing 1/3 of the team to injury, including their two best players. Foul out three more of the remaining players, including their starting center, starting PG and starting SF. Mightily conquer the remaining 6 active players, three of whom are rookies, on a wild scramble play in the third OT. GRRRRRRR!!!!!

Salmons ( B+ ) -- odd pattern to the game for John and the first of many tough grades here. Started the game off knocking down back to back threes and scored at will during the first half guarded by...wait, what am I saying? These are the Warriors. "Guarded by: does not apply. Ironically those would be 2 of the only 3 hits he had through three quarters, by which time his shooting percentage had fallen to 3-12. Thing was that I did not even notice the huge shooting falloff until after half -- at halftime you would have definitely said that two players and two players alone -- Salmons and Miller -- were the reasons why were ahead. So anyway, by the end of the third, his shooting sucked but he was still trickling in points at the line. Nor did he have much of a role to play down the stretch of regulation, although behind the scenes he was quietly beginning to rack up rebounds and assists. Kept on getting scramble rebounds and loose balls up top on nearly broken up passes-- must have happened half a dozen times and it was funny how we seemed to get every one of those even when the Warriors outhustled us and had the angle, somehow they would always fumble it. Won the game on a wild scramble play 3 at the end of the 3rd overtime -- this time the scamble was in the corner -- when again two Warriors were there to one Salmons, yet he came up with it and knocked it down for the win. And by the end of the game, these are the stats: 25pts (6-17 shooting, 4-9 3pt) 14rebs 7ast. :eek: In 56 minutes mind you, but still eye opening when I saw them -- did not see THAT out there. And so here is an exercise I will using repeatedly in this one in order to get a feel for the level of game guys were playing if the minutes had been more normal: Salmons averages 37.1 minutes on the season. Take his 56 minute numbers (25 14 and 7) and reduce them to his normal 37 minute PT, and what do they come out as?: 17pts 9rebs 5ast. And that feels more like what we were witnessing. A good game, not a great one. And then the scramble gamewinner.

Thompson ( B ) -- dominated the glass in the first half against the undersized Warriors forntline, and fellow rookie Anthony Randolph in particular. Got the ball blocked back in his face two times on one possession, but bounced back to have a solid offensive half both inside and stroking a jumper. Was not quite as effective in the third, but still very solid, and then...here is the icky creme filling to this nutty win: that was it. Jaosn never played again. Spencer barely touched the floor. Brown was given a DNP-CD. And Donte is in in Reno. Our entire youth movement shelved by the idiot in the suit for the sake of an oh so glorious triumph over another terrible team. Which would be bad enough on its face. But is worse because Jason was getting it done, and it was the combination of he and Miller pounding the boards inside over the hopelessly tiny Warriors that had given them fits for 3/4. Then Natt's brain cell got distracted trying to breath, scowl, and walk the sidelines at the smae time, and it forgot all about how we were winning the game through three (JT had the largest +/- on the team, and shaky as that stat often is, in this case it was spot on).

Miller ( A ) -- A little story that relates to this game: when I was 22 I was in Sacramento one summer and out on the pickup courts with my old sports buddy -- we'd cruise around all the local parks looking for games, spend hours playing either tennis or basketball ever day. In any case, one day when I was 22 we were at a park just shooting around playing a little one on one when a big pack of kids showed up and wanted to get a full court 5 on 5 going. They were all probably in the 15-16 range, the age where they had all gotten their adult height, or close to it, but had not yet developed a grown man's musculature and bulk. Well, at the time I pretty much lived in the weight room, and my buddy was no 90lb weakling either, and so we offered to split up and play one on each team. But they didn't want to to do that, at least some of them claimed to be on a team (maybe JV or something I forget) together, others were friends etc., and so 5 of them went on one team, then it was me and my buddy and three leftovers on ours. Well, I was always a very good rebounder -- just had the knack and the strength to back it up. But this series of games (think we played three) represented the absolute pinnacle -- I was like Shaq in there. Just waded on in, tore the ball away from anybody who got in my way, established position and could not be moved, growled, bounced kids all over the court, and generally made like a 15-yr old whipping badass. They had no hope. I had size, strength, attitude, they had nothing. It was somewhere between fun and embarrassing, but hey, they made the challenge, and they didn't want to split me and my buddy up so...
Well what I have just described is nearly identical to the experience Brad had for much for the game tonight. The Warriors have one, and only one, player inside who can contend with a full sized big man (Biedrins), and the refs had him on a string all night. And so Brad spent much of the night playing the 15-yr old whipping badass, before morphing into his normal two year temper tantrum throwing self and wiping away almost all the good will. Had the big first half -- of course benefitted when Biedrins got in early foul trouble and there was nobody but Turriaf to back him up, but after Biedrins returned, able to hit several jumpers to keep it going. With Beidrins in and out of the lineup with the fouls just kept on destroying Nellie's sad sack passe small ballers by wading into the paint and playing patty cake off the glass. Ironically though, he might not have even been the ebst center on the floor -- I do not exaggerate. Biedrins rebounded the ball at an even greater rater than Brad in the nminutes he had, and blocked shots like mad. There are many stories to this game, but the +23 for Biedrins on the ngiht and the corresponding -25 to Turiaf, his replacement, is certianly one of the most telling. When Biedrins was in, Brad was suddenly contained, and we had a helluva time scoring or getting on the glass. The effect was dramatic every time he entered. But when he was out...Brad was Shaq amongst the 15 yr olds. So huge was his game in regulation -- he was sitting at 28pts 17rebs near the end -- that we tried to go through Miller down the stretch. But he's no goto guy and Biedrins beat him repeatedly -- I think beginning the frustration spiral that would eventually nearly cost us the game and certinaly cost Brad his + (Brad, you're pathetic BTW if you are reading this). So we are in OT, its a tight game of course, Brad's mojo has been stolen and he's frustrated and flopping, and whining, and tears are practically streaming down his po little facey poo, and then he does it. You could see it coming. I woould nto be surprised if the man has to wear adulty diapers, because he simply has no self control whatsoever. Poor little me! Yes, you guessed it. He whines, complains, bitches...and gets a technical foul. In OT. And I say this without a shred of exaggeration -- if somebody over on out bench had just gotten up and smacked him right in the mouth I would have cheered. Then of course he missed a jumper, as likely as not because head gone. Got his shot blocked in second OT leading to the Warriors going up 5 with a miunute left. Committed a ridiculous foul on a missed FT when rather than just going up and snagging the rebound in front of the 6'5" player behind him (Azubuike), he instead decided to reach out and grab his jersey to hold him down. This was after two bricked FTs (part of an absolutely amazing perhaps game losing FT performance from the Warriors) and gave the Warriors two more. And so, we hung on, in spite of Brad, not because of him. And what do you do with this? I respected the numbers and went straight A because the numbers were huge even in just the regulation minutes. But by the end of the night I was once again ashamed and annoyed to have Brad on this squad, and wanted him gone. That says something on a near career night for him.
 
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Martin ( C ) -- this turned out to be a dangerous game for Kevin. Uh, really backing up those words there in a 1-7 first half. Struggled with both his shot and turnovers in the early going. Serves him right for issuing that nasty threat about there being no more blowouts -- no more blowouts meaning no more Pretty Girls themes of course :mad: And here was where the danger came in -- Kevin struggled mightily and was the goat all night long until the very final play of regulation when Don Nelson may have won the game for us. On our final offensive possession, he mysteriously pulls Andris Biedrins -- his best defender and only shotblocker -- out of the game in favor of Turiaf. To save him from a 6th foul? With 15 seconds to go? Worried we'd intentionally foul him? Who knows, but Kevin saw it, got switched off onto Turiaf, and took him right to the rim for a 2 handed no mistakes about it flush to tie the game and send it to OT and save himself from some embarrassing mea culpa's in the lockerroom after the game. In OT was back to struggling, committed a key turnoveron a carry, but made up for it by playign soe good defense (yes you heard that right) on Azubuike the next possession, and then n drawing a foul and kncioking down the FTs. But the fun was not over. Regoated himself on the first OT game winning attempt, as he got surrounded and had the shot blocked from behind to force a second OT. And in fact kept right on missing shots to the point he was actually briefly pulled in the second OT in favor of Bobby. But Bobby immediately blew a rebounding asssingment, and Kevin was back. Just in time to hit the huge three to tie it and send it to THIRD OT. So...quite the eventful night. By my count goat in regulation...then hero in regulation. Goat in first OT. Hero in second OT. The danger I spoke of would have been Kevin flapping his gums and then coming out and being the single biggest reason we lost this one. That's a leadership killer right there. But the big dunk saved him from that, and combined with the big three was enough to keep the wolves at bay for another day. Not in any way a good game, but hit two big shots, and that deserves something.

Udrih ( C+ ) -- certinaly not much of a bounceback in the first three quarters. Was getting minimal resistance to running the team from guys who should not even be in the NBA, but still had several turnovers and could not hit his shots. But long before the ridiculous histrionics of the 3 OTs it was Beno who looked like he might be the hero. It will get lost in the rush in this one that we were trying desperately to pull our traditional 4th quarter collapse, this time even aided and abetted by our coach removing one of our most effective players to play smallball. And more than anyone else the guy who stepped up to carry us through the rough patch was Beno. After 3 nothing quarters he played a strong 4th leading us in scoring, before largely disappearing again in the OTs. Should be noted however that the rest of the game was not good, that his midget scrub opponent had a career high, that he played 56 minutes (surely a career high) to get his modest numbers, that he shot 7-21 and just cannot get consistent from 3pt land this year (0-5). But without him we never even get to all the late game and OT wackiness, and this goes down as just another sad 4th quarter collapse by a sad team.

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Cisco ( A- ) -- into it with Maggette in the first half, but little production of his own and it wasn't looking like it was going to be much of a game for Cisco. Upon returning late in the 3rd repeatedly charged right into the chest of Biedrins trying to draw his 5th foul, but getting layups anyway. Finally did draw the 5th on Biedrins after about his 5th or 6th charge into him in the middle 4th, and it had its desired effect, he had to leave and immediately the Warriors began to spiral. Hit back to back clutch threes in OT that saved this for us while everybody else sucked that period. Then got to unfortunately wear a pair of goat horns when with 14 seconds left and us up 3, he mysterioiusly ran off and left Azubuike wide open for a game tying three (he and Kevin both ran off to cover the same guy). Not much of a factor in either of the later OTs.

Hawes ( C- ) -- had several nice inside flips in the first half, and passed on the wide open jumper and got us a turnover on a 3 second call. That was actually a jumper he should have taken. No rebounding in there against Biedrins, and was getting his shot repeatedly blocked as well. Picked up a dumb technical foul late in the game -- in a game that was tied in regulation we gave away two points on technicals (he and Bobbby) and in a game that was tied after the first OT we also gave one away in that period.

Jackson ( D ) -- hit a three but did little else in the first half, disastrous run at OG in the early 4th as the Warriors caught and passed us, and finished it by getting a technical foul after which Natt pulled him Briefly in in the second OT to replace Kevin at OG, and immediately did not block his man out on the boards, resulting in a key tip in by the Warriors and Kevin's return.

Moore ( INC ) -- very brief foul peppered first half cameo, never returned and looks to be pretty much out of the rotation and just getting spot minutes now.
 
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I insist putting Jamal Crawford into the poll.

He was the last man standing...not sure that is fair. ;)


Nellie might deserve a look for losing the game for them in regulation when he took out Biderins for whatever reaosn and has Turiaf in there so Martin could tie the game wiht w dunk.
 
Maloofs got their money's worth tonight.

"Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof spent $7,200 on four courtside tickets that go for $1,800 apiece"
 
I voted for Cisco, even though Miller has the superior numbers. When Biedrins was in though, Miller got dominated.
 
For me it's about leadership down the stretch. Cisco had it in spades. Brad had it, lost it, got it back, and increased his trade value a tiny bit I suppose. The STUPID tech might have chopped it down with some suitors showing what a dork he can be. Beno was solid, not spectacular, and in the end showed why he is THE ONLY PG on the Kings roster by commanding the offense under duress. Kevin said his team was a joke and got them to respond, and got his own game together in enough stretches of 3 OTs (w/5 fouls) to make his mark. Johnny Salmons as usual, the quiet, stoic, hard worker and leader by example. Fun game to watch despite the fact both teams are bottom dwellers in the NBA.
 
I thought tonight really showcased Brad Miller in a nutshell. Everything he can do well, he did... and just about every bad thing about him showed itself as well (namely emotions and not being able to jump).

That said, the pluses outweighed the minuses for tonight I guess.... :)

Also, I think it's about time that K-Mart starts improving in his end of game shots and decisions... that or let's try someone else eh?
 
I voted for Brad. He gave us everything and left it all out there on the court. You cannot ask for anything more, stupid technical not withstanding...
 
Here here... I can tell you that zero of the Laker fans where I work would stay up late to watch a 3OT game between them and an 11 win team if they were doing as poorly as we are...

Kings fans are the best! :)
 
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We finally found our winning formula: play the 11 win team. Make sure they are missing 1/3 of the team to injury, including their two best players. Foul out three more of the remaining players, including their starting center, starting PF and starting SF. Mightily conquer the remaining 6 active players, three of whom are rookies, on a wild scramble play in the third OT. GRRRRRRR!!!!!

Much to say. Will be said tommorow.

golden!

wow if im on the team im feeling "real good" about this win.

tell you what tho, if im Brad Miller... im thinking the mire fact im still alive after that game is career highlight. Wow 30 and 20? WAY TO GO BRAD! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also its too bad Beno cant avg his stat line for tonights game every game... 17pts. 7ast. 6reb. it takes Beno 3 OT's to get these numbers? I'd be cool with paying him, his around $6,000,000 salary...
 
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Natt seems to be more driven by wins than Reggie was. When are the rookies going to get some PT. Even when JT is playing well, he only gets 22mins, Hawes 11min, & BB get a DNP against a team where is speed and shooting could help. This was triple OT, that's 315 minutes, so you'd think the rookies could get more than 10 percent of the total.

I'm sure everyones happy about the win, but Brad couldn't even get his hands over his head to rebound that missed FT. Instead he's holding on to the jersey of a guy he has position over.

Maybe the Maloof's paying $8K for 4 front row seats had something to do with Natt feeling he had to win at all costs. But, facing another 11 win team who's 2 best players are out, and having their entire front court foul out, we shouldn't need to play our starters most of the 4th and all of the OT.

Let's hope everyone gets a rest before the Bucks game.
 
Natt seems to be more driven by wins than Reggie was. When are the rookies going to get some PT. Even when JT is playing well, he only gets 22mins, Hawes 11min, & BB get a DNP against a team where is speed and shooting could help. This was triple OT, that's 315 minutes, so you'd think the rookies could get more than 10 percent of the total.

The irony is that if he cared about winning, he at least would have given JT more minutes. He had good stats, was +16 and matched up well with the Warriors small ball. There must be some behind the scenes story here, because I am mystified by his lack of minutes.
 
Had to vote Brad. Reminded me of the good ol days

JT also made a jump shot that reminded me of webber. :D crazy
 
Well, were Kings of the world again, if only for one game. We trounced the mighty Warriors. Barely! I would have liked to see JT get more time. he was having one of his better games and is starting to look like he's getting it.

I would like someone to explain to me with this obsession some coaches have with match-ups. Why, for heavens sake, when you have a huge advantage in height, do you forsake that advantage, and play the game your opponent wants you to play? To my mind, thats the ultimate stupidity. :confused:
 
Well, were Kings of the world again, if only for one game. We trounced the mighty Warriors. Barely! I would have liked to see JT get more time. he was having one of his better games and is starting to look like he's getting it.

I would like someone to explain to me with this obsession some coaches have with match-ups. Why, for heavens sake, when you have a huge advantage in height, do you forsake that advantage, and play the game your opponent wants you to play? To my mind, thats the ultimate stupidity. :confused:

Agree. Especially with a player like JT who has speed to go with his height.
 
golden!

wow if im on the team im feeling "real good" about this win.

tell you what tho, if im Brad Miller... im thinking the mire fact im still alive after that game is career highlight. Wow 30 and 20? WAY TO GO BRAD! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also its too bad Beno cant avg his stat line for tonights game every game... 17pts. 7ast. 6reb. it takes Beno 3 OT's to get these numbers? I'd be cool with paying him, his around $6,000,000 salary...


That generic line sealed the deal on how I feel about KG. He's so fake.

Anything is possible?.. really?
 
Man you know you're a small-market team when your triple OT game doesnt get a single play in the NBA Daily Top 10 and in the daily wrap up the smart voice-over lady proclaims that "Kevin Martin hits the long jumper to win in triple OT."
 
Man you know you're a small-market team when your triple OT game doesnt get a single play in the NBA Daily Top 10 and in the daily wrap up the smart voice-over lady proclaims that "Kevin Martin hits the long jumper to win in triple OT."


I think rather you know that you are a 10-30 team beating an 11-28 team.
 
I think rather you know that you are a 10-30 team beating an 11-28 team.

Oh come on, you know better than that. Sure we both suck, but this wasn't a suck fest. There was a ton of scoring, difficult shots being made, and some great (okay, good) d by both teams in spurts. There were 2 OT-tying threes, a back-to-back 3 sequence by Cisco, and the hustle GW shot. And seriously, how often do 3OT games happen?

Take a look at the Daily Top 10 and tell me that not one of those plays is better than Erica Dampwah doing a slow motion dunk to rival the speed of Brad Miller himself.
 
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