True, True, this is exactly why these losses aren't upsetting me. I am a huge fan, and yes I want them to win every game...BUT we all knew that this is one big project. Things are falling into place slowly but surely. I am glad that the Rookies are getting the experience now so that in 2 to 3 years, this team is going to be fearless. Winning these games takes experience, surely more then 35 games can teach. Remember this team that is playing now have only played about 25 games together. The first 10 games coach used a different lineup. Give the kids time. Remember, patience is a virtue. Last year was terrible. At least the games now are entertaining.
Grades v. Warriors 01/08/10
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right on.... right now were watching what it looks like to have a bunch of 21 year olds who just had there hearts torn out, then stepped on, then lit on fire, then... etch ... you get it... there struggling mentally .... they hit a wall... i trust they will come together and figure it out... this is what will add to their character... and push them to get better...
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During the first quarter you could smell it in the air the Kings were in trouble. I never felt as though the Kings were going to win even with the 15 point lead. The Kings were flatter then a board for whatever reason.
Games like this happen during the long season of 82+ games.
Next up: Tonight against Denver
During the first quarter you could smell it in the air the Kings were in trouble. I never felt as though the Kings were going to win even with the 15 point lead. The Kings were flatter then a board for whatever reason.
Games like this happen during the long season of 82+ games.
Next up: Tonight against Denver
basically you cant use the they are young excuse here because the vets like noc played majority of the game..... i mean wth coach is good but he needs to get his hands involved in some plays not let the team figure it out themselves.. by the looks of the amount of 3s and shots taken and the 24 shot clock violations the were lost out there yes?
id be happy to trade noc to boston right now.... boston, cavs, magic, where ever!
id be happy to trade noc to boston right now.... boston, cavs, magic, where ever!
I'm totally with bmiller on this one. Why can't we just run more damn post up plays for Spencer? Inside out wins! This princeton crap is fun to watch and all but it's never gotten anyone anywhere on the professional level. It worked very well with Divac and webber but that team was way better than our current one in terms of big men. I don't think it's fair that Spencer always has to help set up the offense at the high post and not make use of his post game while Jason-Ican'tmakeapostmovewithoutfouling-Thompson gets the ball inside so often.
JT is a real problem. He can't make easy put backs and lay ins around the rim.
I don't know if it is touch or confidence.
At the end of the day this is the NBA: you play a bunch of close ones with the top level teams and can't get a win and then you play a team in your zip code you feel you should beat and get a game like that.
The resiliency of this team is going to be tested over the next 2-3 games.At some point all the talk becomes just that , and the players deep inside know they are not good enough to close games.I think Tyreke, Beno and Sergio are all, at least to some extent, erratic playmakers.There is not sound, pure, pass first guy in this group.Beno annoys me the most right now. Sergio is a third string PG and Tyreke is a rookie- he won't make crunch time decisions for you like he is Nash or Billups. Beno should have had a stabilizing influence but he doesn't.
I don't know if it is touch or confidence.
At the end of the day this is the NBA: you play a bunch of close ones with the top level teams and can't get a win and then you play a team in your zip code you feel you should beat and get a game like that.
The resiliency of this team is going to be tested over the next 2-3 games.At some point all the talk becomes just that , and the players deep inside know they are not good enough to close games.I think Tyreke, Beno and Sergio are all, at least to some extent, erratic playmakers.There is not sound, pure, pass first guy in this group.Beno annoys me the most right now. Sergio is a third string PG and Tyreke is a rookie- he won't make crunch time decisions for you like he is Nash or Billups. Beno should have had a stabilizing influence but he doesn't.
I was thinking about that too. The combination of no Greene+ Omri having a bad game = more minutes to Noc and more shots to take. I think that was a negative element in the game for us. they were up 18, and you can put it on the end of game execution and all, but there was too much Noc for us to be successful in this one.Noc had 2-3 wide open threes he could not make. I think he only had 2-3 shots all season long that he made in crucial momentum(kings or opponent) shaping moments.Everything else was pretty much a brick.
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I get tired of ready people complaining on Beno or whoever. ITS JASON THOMPSON...he sucks, he is 6'9 and can't make a basket under the hoop. His passes in crunch time are called "turnovers". He is all about himself, whines at every play, complains more than Kobe and it pisses me off when he gets pulled out of game he takes his sweet time slowly going back to bench being a little *****. I wish we could trade his *** along with Noc. Im telling you Kings fans he is a fool, he should have got the nickname "Big Baby"
I get tired of ready people complaining on Beno or whoever. ITS JASON THOMPSON...he sucks, he is 6'9 and can't make a basket under the hoop. His passes in crunch time are called "turnovers". He is all about himself, whines at every play, complains more than Kobe and it pisses me off when he gets pulled out of game he takes his sweet time slowly going back to bench being a little *****. I wish we could trade his *** along with Noc. Im telling you Kings fans he is a fool, he should have got the nickname "Big Baby"
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The Kings rookies (mainly Evans and Casspi) have now played more games in just over 2 months then they have ever played in a year. The rookie "WALL" is now staring them in the face. Lot of minutes, higher level of competition, more physical, etc. I think we are seeing them beginning to hit that "wall". The 10 TO's in the 4th were nearly all self induced, poor choices. Martin coming back soon will really help but won't be soon enough then Garcia in a month will be a big boost as well. Sooo, reality is setting in.
I think you are making too much of one game. Tyreke had some of his worst late-game decisions in this one , but he still played his game, had good production. Omri had a stinker but he is one game removed from the run of 20+ points a game. I don't think it is a bout the rookie wall as much as not having veteran leadership to help them close games. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if it is the Cavs/Lakers at home or the worriers on the road - you need to bring the intensity and execution up a few notches in a close fourth quarter against anyone if you want to win.I was really impressed with the crowed at Oracle. Really help their team rally at the end.
That arena was where I saw my first NBA game ever. I was visiting relatives in Oakland and got to see, right before joining the Israeli Defense Forces, the MVP to be Barkley, the mayor and thunder Dan putting a beating on the worriers.
Too bad PW wasn't as successful last night as he was on that night almost 17 years ago.
That arena was where I saw my first NBA game ever. I was visiting relatives in Oakland and got to see, right before joining the Israeli Defense Forces, the MVP to be Barkley, the mayor and thunder Dan putting a beating on the worriers.
Too bad PW wasn't as successful last night as he was on that night almost 17 years ago.
I'm not really sure what everyone's expectations are. Perception is seldom reality. Trust me, Politicians survive because of it. The reality is, that this is a young team thats still finding its way. Its also a team that surprised a lot of teams at the beginning of the year. Well the bloom is off the rose, as they say, or, were not surprising anyone anymore.
The Warriors had a game plan. Same game plan every team of late has had. Pack the middle and don't let Evans penetrate. Make the rest of the team beat you. Its a nice compliment to Evans, but it also affects the outcome, which is the idea of course. Truth is, if anyone other than Udoka could have hit their outside shots, the Kings win. Its not even close. But they didn't, and we lost. Casspi just had his worse shooting night of the year. Nocioni is continuing to struggle. Personally I don't think he's struggling. I think this is the real Nocioni. I used to watch him play in Chicago and I don't see much difference between his play here and there. He is, and probably always will be an inconsistant shooter. Which is a shame in the sense that he has a scorers mentality.
Replace Nocioni in last nights game with a healthy Garcia, and we win the game. I doubt that Garcia on his worse night would miss that many outside shots. Yes, inexperience and youth may have played a part in our collapse in the fourth quarter, but the team had ample opportunity to put the game away before that.
The Kings built the lead in the first half by attacking the basket. For whatever reason, they stopped doing that in the second half. We were actually beating the Warriors at their own game. We stopped, and they didn't. Suddenly, all too often, we were back on our heels.
This team lives and dies a little too much by the outside shot. On a night where your best outside shooter comes up empty, your in trouble. But you know what? Right now, our best outside shooter is a rookie named Casspi. A rookie that we hoped would at the very least, be able to make some contributions during the season. He's done much more than that. And from that comes perception. Which as we found out last night, has nothing to do with reality.
The Warriors had a game plan. Same game plan every team of late has had. Pack the middle and don't let Evans penetrate. Make the rest of the team beat you. Its a nice compliment to Evans, but it also affects the outcome, which is the idea of course. Truth is, if anyone other than Udoka could have hit their outside shots, the Kings win. Its not even close. But they didn't, and we lost. Casspi just had his worse shooting night of the year. Nocioni is continuing to struggle. Personally I don't think he's struggling. I think this is the real Nocioni. I used to watch him play in Chicago and I don't see much difference between his play here and there. He is, and probably always will be an inconsistant shooter. Which is a shame in the sense that he has a scorers mentality.
Replace Nocioni in last nights game with a healthy Garcia, and we win the game. I doubt that Garcia on his worse night would miss that many outside shots. Yes, inexperience and youth may have played a part in our collapse in the fourth quarter, but the team had ample opportunity to put the game away before that.
The Kings built the lead in the first half by attacking the basket. For whatever reason, they stopped doing that in the second half. We were actually beating the Warriors at their own game. We stopped, and they didn't. Suddenly, all too often, we were back on our heels.
This team lives and dies a little too much by the outside shot. On a night where your best outside shooter comes up empty, your in trouble. But you know what? Right now, our best outside shooter is a rookie named Casspi. A rookie that we hoped would at the very least, be able to make some contributions during the season. He's done much more than that. And from that comes perception. Which as we found out last night, has nothing to do with reality.
I don't think he's hit a wall. But coach should start managing Tyreke's minutes a little more. He's been in the 38-39 and low 40's since just after Kevin went down. That's a little too much for a first year player who's never played this many games in this short of time. I love watching Reke play as much as anybody. But I want to enjoy him for the next 12 years. Give him a few minutes more rest in the late third early 4th quarter than he's been getting and have a fresher player for the end of games.
I totally agree...and I think all the media attention they're suddenly receiving at a national and international level is also at least a factor and is just going to take a bit of time to get used to. I've seen JT act as though it's way too easy out there when he's doing okay, and that's generally right before he starts getting stuck on stupid.
I have a lot of faith in our team, however, and their ability to continue to grow together AS A TEAM and help get each other past these "opening night jitters." And it is "opening night jitters" even if it's January.
They've been playing with heart, hustle and more than a little adrenalin. Now they have to start playing with heart hustle and BRAINS.
I'm encouraged enough by the progress from that first game until now to keep the faith. They will get better but we're gonna have some games, and even weeks, where it just looks really, really bad... You have to crawl before you can walk, walk before you can run. They're still crawling in terms of NBA maturity, perhaps standing up a bit and wobbling towards those baby steps. Fans just need to remember that. It's fine to be disappointed in poor play but it's not time to act as though they're total and abject failures. They're not...
I have a lot of faith in our team, however, and their ability to continue to grow together AS A TEAM and help get each other past these "opening night jitters." And it is "opening night jitters" even if it's January.
They've been playing with heart, hustle and more than a little adrenalin. Now they have to start playing with heart hustle and BRAINS.
I'm encouraged enough by the progress from that first game until now to keep the faith. They will get better but we're gonna have some games, and even weeks, where it just looks really, really bad... You have to crawl before you can walk, walk before you can run. They're still crawling in terms of NBA maturity, perhaps standing up a bit and wobbling towards those baby steps. Fans just need to remember that. It's fine to be disappointed in poor play but it's not time to act as though they're total and abject failures. They're not...
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I would suggest that if there's a fool involved in this post, its not Jason Thompson. He's not 6'9", he's 6'11". Not that it matters. Yes he had a bad game. So did Nocioni and Casspi. Casspi was 1 for 8 on the night. Nocioni was 3 for 11. Beno had an off night and was 6 for 14. Jason ended up 5 for 14. But he tied for the team lead in assists with 6 against 4 turnovers. While Evans had 6 assists and 6 turnovers. JT also ended up with 7 boards. So I would suggest to you that it was a team effort that brought about the loss. Jason is averaging just under 15 points and 10 boards a game. Thats pretty good for a second year PF in the NBA. Not everyone can be Tyreke Evans.
He has never been a selfish player, and he's certainly tempered his reaction to the refs of late. Most of the time his frustration is with himself, not the ref's. Obviously your taking your frustration out on him with name calling. I suggest that if you want to call him a big baby that you go to one of the games and wait for him to come out after the game and call him one to his face.
There isn't a cookie cutter that you use to create players. It takes time for them to develop and mature. From a financial point of view, he's pretty cheap for what he gives us. I've said it a zillion times. It takes three years for a big man to develop. If he isn't what you thought he would be after three years, then you start figuring out what you can get for him. But you don't give up on him a third of the way into his second year.
All of this takes patience mi amigo. If you don't have that patience, then I suggest you watch a different team for a while. Because this one is going to rip your heart out just as often as it thrills you, if not more.
I could easily be mistaken, but this OP has all the earmarks of a typical fly-by poster. He makes a post complaining about a player, vents his spleen and then disappears. He hasn't been back since to even check to see if there's been any response.
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if your on a Kings forum board... you should know this... lol! seriously...
if you wanted to enlighten everyone about his past coaching experiences then you should have mentioned it instead of just say "no its not" .... whatever tho completely wasting space at this point...
Our team is talented... we've all seen more than enough flashes to have such high expectations at this point... but with 3 rookies being a big part of our success (Evans/Casspi/Brock) and then having 2nd year players like JT and Greene, also playing huge roles... what can you really expect?
our young... yes YOUNG team is battling mentally right now... they just suffered like 6 wrenching losses and their confidence is low and there frustrated (im sure) ... its making things worse and has them off their game... its just one of the processes they have to endure and go through to take it to the next level... they will get through it and learn from this experience.... so everybody chill....
if you wanted to enlighten everyone about his past coaching experiences then you should have mentioned it instead of just say "no its not" .... whatever tho completely wasting space at this point...
Our team is talented... we've all seen more than enough flashes to have such high expectations at this point... but with 3 rookies being a big part of our success (Evans/Casspi/Brock) and then having 2nd year players like JT and Greene, also playing huge roles... what can you really expect?
our young... yes YOUNG team is battling mentally right now... they just suffered like 6 wrenching losses and their confidence is low and there frustrated (im sure) ... its making things worse and has them off their game... its just one of the processes they have to endure and go through to take it to the next level... they will get through it and learn from this experience.... so everybody chill....
Yes. In the end of the day, a team W is better than a losing monster effort game. The 2007 Pats set just about every NFL record possible but in the end failed to claim the ultimate prize. That season is considered a failure.
Stats mean nothing. K-Mart was averaging 25 points last year but we only won 17 games. That would be what I would call a losing season.
Stats mean nothing. K-Mart was averaging 25 points last year but we only won 17 games. That would be what I would call a losing season.
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