Grades v. TWolves 03/19

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Bricklayer

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Artest ( D ) -- very sloppy start, and a very poor impatient first half on offense. On defense was doing a decent lockdown job on Ricky Davis, and truth be told, it might have been the only thing holding him from a straight F until the final 4 minutes. Looked gimpy all game, and I'm not sure at all of his health -- was noticeably limping and grabbing at his right hip/thigh, which he has done on and off ever since that hip pointer. Just ineffective and silent for nearly the entire game, and looked sluggish and dispirited. Finally raised this grade one or two half bumps with what was an adventuresome crunchtime. Started to finally draw some fouls and score from the line, but then came down and chucked up a too quick wanna-be-hero three to break our momentum. Then a few seconds later came up with a huge steal and breakway that would have brought us within three with a chance to catch the Wolves....and he dribbles it off his foot! :rolleyes: Story of the game. But he wasn't done yet, as with 11 seconds to go and KG shooting us out of the game at the line, suddenly Ron comes up with a huge play as the Wolves tried to choke another one -- Ricky "Einstein" Davis takes his eyes off the ball for a second and the league's best thief picks him clean + makes the reverse layup to suddenly draw us within 2 + give us one last gasp. Of course we were like a fish in the Sahara for this one, and so it was just that -- a last gasp before we expired.
Thomas ( C ) -- on the glass early as usual, and was kind of alone there with no other Kings big giving much of anything in the first half. But was having trouble finishing, and as the game went on it became very evident he was just too small to contend with Garnett on defense. And in the third quarter in particular he really let his frustration on that end throw him out of rhythm. Returned late in the game, but was quiet in the 4th before fouling out. Rebounded, but one dimesnional this time out.
Miller ( D- ) -- did very little this game. Was missing his shots, gave us nothing on the glass, picked up a dumb technical. And its not like the Wolves have anybody at C either. Did come up with a couple more blocks, and its that which keeps this out of F type territory. But very disappointing effort from Brad.
Martin ( B ) -- a little ragged early and almost had to be coaxed into his first shot, but after he hit it began to score well -- better than any other King in the first half in fact. Never really went on an extended run, but was the only King who was consistently making his shots. Defense, rebounding etc. were just ok, but we needed every point he could give us as we blundered about to a 35pt half. And he was causing the Wolves real difficulties with back cuts, and for one of the first times in this one I actually saw Kevin's presence opening up some opportunities for guys like Brad as the Wolves became very aware of him and started to overplay. Through three quarters it was Kevin and Bibby trying to keep us in the game all by themselves. But then Kevin suddenly and mysteriously stopped scoring, and in the late game was just a spectator.
Bibby ( B+ ) -- active offensive start, but only marginally effective in the early going as he was 3-11 at half. Made some nice passes, and set Kevin up for several of his hits, but on the other hand led what was a disastrous season-high TO parade with 6 of his own to only 3 assists. Started to really heat up in the third to hold the Kings within striking distance, but while he continued to score pretty well in the 4th, on this night, with his teammaters playing the way they were, even 35 was just not enough. Maybe 40 would have done the trick. :rolleyes: Our obviouis best player, but despite the point total, actually not his true "A" game. Missed a lot of shots. Turned it over. But at least he came to play.
Wells ( B- ) -- bang, crash, poke, thud -- if nothing else, you know what you're going to get from Bonzi every night. Just a question of how effective the mix turns out to be in a given game. Had a quiet first half stint -- couple of steals early, but not much else. But really began to assert himself physically in the 2nd half and helped lead a crushing rebounding performance for us with 8 in about 10 minutes of second half work. Also came up with 5 steals in his 23 minutes, and until Ron's late semi-revival, we were probably better with Bonzi at SF than Ron. The negative? Well, if you guessed turnovers you guessed right. His clear achilles since his return, and on this night the team's achilles as well. Had 4, and the final one was a clumsy looking open court fumble in the late going that hurt. Still might have been our #3 player tonight. But that is saying something about what the rest of the guys were doing.
Reef ( B- ) -- was forcing the offense early to modest effect. But found his truer prupose in this one once he got matched up on Garnett of defense. Did a solid job once again, briefly caused him problems in the first half, and was really battling in there against him in the second although he was not able to slow KG much after he really started taking it to us. Rest of his game was...eh. A little offense, a little boarding. Joined the turnover fest.
Corliss ( C- ) -- got a surprise call in the late 3rd as both Brad and Kenny picked up their 4th fouls, but racked up a lot of empty unproductive minutes. Given that he has not played in forever and got thrown in there, perhaps understandable. But not really any better than the ineffective guys ahead of him.

Adelman ( ) -- well...darn. Coming in against a team on a 7-game losing streak, 7-18 since they acquired their current linuep, and choking games left and right. Looked good on paper. We were sluggish and sloppy from the start in this one, and just never really woke up. Ron especially got off to a very weird start just sort of wandering up the court and randomly shooting, or not, or...just looked very lacksadaisical. And nobody really picked up the slack. Kevin was scoring well enough, and Mike had flashes, but neither were really leading the rest of the guys anywhere, and end result was a butt-ugly 35pt half with balls being thrown all over the court, and stands for that matter. The halftime speech didn't improve things much. We scored better, but were still just as sloppy and dependant on our backcourt guys to carry us. And yet bad as we were, the Wolves were nearly as incompetent and kept on leaving the door open. Joke was that you could point to some really good things -- we completely dominated the glass after half, until we got desperate were actually hitting a fair percentage of the shots we did take. But the turnover and sloppiness...wow. The seven man rotation got an addition this time out as it turns out Corliss Williamson is still on the team. Got the call in the late 3rd with the entire normal frontcourt rotation (Kenny, Brad and Reef) with 4 fouls. In the 4th we even briefly went with an all muscle lineup with Bonzi, Ron, and Corliss at the 2/3/4. Did not work, largely because Bonzi was the only one of those guys giving us a game at the time. In any case, the rotation was largely what you expected, we got a lot of Reef on KG, and while maybe we can put away that KG-stopper stuff now, it was the better matchup and he battled him. Unfortunately what we did NOT get was any sort of sustained intensity or real determination to win this one. And our leader seemed to be...well, not leading. So, unforunate outing. We just weren't ready to play for whatever reason. And now we're back to .500 and not completely out of the woods yet. Good news is that the teams on the outside looking in -- the Hornets, the Jazz, are fading fast. We are still in great position to make the playoffs. But what position we end up with...well, still 16 games to go.
 
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I agree. Jim Kozimor is the kiss of death. And he's not that good at broadcasting, either.
 
BTW... Bonzi second F in a row! 4 turnovers in 23 minutes... Reef followed closely with 3 in 24 minutes. But break it down and Bonzi completed one every 5.75 minutes, while Reef turned it over once every 8 minutes. BTW, anyone else notice that at one point late in the FOURTH quarter the Wolves had only 8 rebounds in the half? Meaning that there was only a missed shot or a non-offensive rebound EIGHT TIMES in almost TWO QUARTERS! UNBELIEVABLE! KINGS-F!
 
PixelPusher said:
Jim Kozimor (F) - were on a roll until he started calling the games on the radio. Hurry back Gary!


I listen to all the games and CANNOT agree more. I MISS GARY!!:(
 
Bricklayer said:
Artest ( D ) -- Looked gimpy all game, and I'm not sure at all of his health -- was noticeablyt limping and grabbing at his right hip/thigh, which he has done on and off ever since that hip pointer.

You must have missed it. He was hit pretty hard with the point of an elbow right on his upper thigh/hamstring. I mentioned it at the time in the PBP thread.
 
GoGoGadget said:
Placeholder "thank goodness the Wolves choked again" post...
they did their best to make us win, hell we were down 2 with 9 seconds left and Bonzi nearly stole it from KG, just Artest fouled him first. Then they gave bibby a WIDE open three that went down around and decided it hated us. Somebody must have covered the ball with lube or something. Ron stole it that one time, looked up and the ball just flew off on its own accord. Ugg I am so pissed.:mad: Stupid KG and his stupid free throws. All the other T-puppies did their freakin best to get us a win, but KG didn't join in. So the grades are as follows:

Carter- A Just let Bibby get wherever he wanted whenever. Even let him get a wide three when we needed it.
Bibby- B One of two guys who showed up today
Reed- C For some reason hit some jumpers, so his grade goes down. But he pissed off Artest enough for Ronny to show up in the final minute.
Artest- D Worst game as a King. Its either Finleys fault or Koz. Either way, I am comfy with him taking wide open threes, so don't bag on him for missing those. Just hold on to the ball better.
Hassel- C- See Grade for Reed
A1- B+ Came out ready to play, but all the lazy rubbed off on him throughout the game. Had some good defesive plays and didn't turn the ball over save that one time.
Bonzi- C Rebounded, played decent D, but didn't do a whole lot of anything else, cept he committed a crucial turnover later in the game to kill some momentum we had goin.
Blount - B Whatever. Didn't kill us as usual.
Thomas -D Maybe he should just sit on the bench and everytime a shot goes up he can run out and grab it, give it to a guard, and go sit down again. Just as effective, and less energy and space wasted.
SAR -B He gets a B because he contributed to some of the stops we were getting and playing decent D on KG, and his grade gets boosted because KG owned Miller and Thomas.
Miller -D I was actually surprised he hit that layup that was given to him at the end. It was like somebody covered the basket with plastic wrap as a prank for him. He still has his vision though and he didn't turn it over. The T he had in the first half is laughable. He had a good point. He was stumbling away from Garnett and he gets called for the OF?
Davis -A You did your best kid.

Adleman- D There is a point in a clsoe game called Bibby time, where you run him off some screens and give him the ball. That point usually is in the final two minutes. And I don't know why Kevin was sitting out the 4th again save a few minutes. Bibby did get the ball, but I don't want SAR and Artest taking shots in crunch time. Well Artest can, but not in games where he is sucking.

and finally....

KG- F--- Wow. He just doesn't get with the program. You guys were supposed to lose this game and suck terribly. Granted I don't know why theKings let him get the ball in the hack attack minutes. He isn't a team player because the team really wanted to lose and he didn't go along.

Francisco- A The only guy who didn't turn it over. If he plays we do win this game. But he didn't.

Hey did anybody else find it hilarious that when they showed the half time feature Sampson and Price were sitting on a bench outside the building? My thought was "They are used to that."
 
That was unbeliavably bad game. I've seen Kings play like this before, but I don't ever remember them making this many mistakes and TO's.

Never mind the grades (which are well deserved BTW), I am just glad this is over.

A+ for NBA games being _only_ 48 minutes long.
 
JJ22L said:
F, even if we win the kings deserve an F, That just means the wolves deserve an F-
Why do the Timberwolves deserve a "lower" grade than the Kings? The Kings had 27 turnovers which deserves no more than an F-.
 
Adelman is going to bite himself in the *** if he doesn't watch out. Todays game? DIRECT RESULT OF TIRED PLAY!!! These guys were spent before they even hit the hardwood. Ron Artest looked completely out of it he was so tired. Those HUGE minutes he has been playing everybody hit hard today. I don't care if everytime we sit someone the other team goes on a run, he NEEDS to give these guys consistent minutes BUT consistent rest as well. I have a bad feeling about these guys logging this many minutes, they will get destroyed if they make it to the playoffs against fresh teams. The fatigue factor is what may be our own downfall.
 
F all around. its absolutely inexcusable to have lost to the lowly pups. this is really making my damn stomach hurt. dispicable. this trend of losing to teams we should beat needs to end now. suddenly "the hottest current team in the league" seems to be cooling fast. c'mon Kings.. we need to be CONSISTENT.
 
SacKings384 said:
BTW... Bonzi second F in a row! 4 turnovers in 23 minutes... Reef followed closely with 3 in 24 minutes. But break it down and Bonzi completed one every 5.75 minutes, while Reef turned it over once every 8 minutes. BTW, anyone else notice that at one point late in the FOURTH quarter the Wolves had only 8 rebounds in the half? Meaning that there was only a missed shot or a non-offensive rebound EIGHT TIMES in almost TWO QUARTERS! UNBELIEVABLE! KINGS-F!

Bonzi made up for thoes 4 to with 5 steals and shareef was only one that could somewhat slow down kg. And it was not only them that turned the ball over, it was baiscly the whole team with 27. So i would not only blame them.

And during the offseason we should try to get a damn bench because we are playing the guys to many mins.
 
One thing that always makes me chuckle is how Grand and Jerry always call these games by Brad "un-Brad like". C'mon! Brad has one of these types of games once every five... I've seen plenty this year. :)
 
SacTownKid said:
Adelman is going to bite himself in the *** if he doesn't watch out. Todays game? DIRECT RESULT OF TIRED PLAY!!! These guys were spent before they even hit the hardwood. Ron Artest looked completely out of it he was so tired. Those HUGE minutes he has been playing everybody hit hard today. I don't care if everytime we sit someone the other team goes on a run, he NEEDS to give these guys consistent minutes BUT consistent rest as well. I have a bad feeling about these guys logging this many minutes, they will get destroyed if they make it to the playoffs against fresh teams. The fatigue factor is what may be our own downfall.

Not sure this is true.

Adelman said just the other day that since he went to a 7-man rotation, he has stopped full-scale scrimmaging in practice. This is to compensate for the additional 5 to 10 minutes the starters are logging over what might normally be expected.

So, who should be fresher...the team that goes 7-deep and does not tax its players in practice? Or a team that goes 9-deep, the players average 5 to 10 minutes less on average per game, and the coach busts their *** with 30-60 minutes of full-scale game-like scrimmaging a couple times a week?

The "fresh" team looks a little unclear to me.

In my opinion, Ron doesn't look tired at all...he looks hurt.
 
it appears adleman isn't going to take artest out when his not doing well. That could be a problem. K-mart should have gotten extended min today someway somehow. Please Francisco come back.
 
Entity said:
it appears adleman isn't going to take artest out when his not doing well. That could be a problem. K-mart should have gotten extended min today someway somehow. Please Francisco come back.

I didn't get to see the whole game, but on the espn box score it said that Martin had 40 minutes.

Adelman's strong point has never been taking guys out if they are not performing well.
 
Entity said:
it appears adleman isn't going to take artest out when his not doing well. That could be a problem. K-mart should have gotten extended min today someway somehow. Please Francisco come back.

Kevin did get extended min this time -- 39 of them in fact.

The thought would have been to give Bonzi more time at SF in place of Ron. But not Rick's M.O. And while its always easy to raise questions when guys have bad games, his method is always to show confidence and give his main guys the time to work through it. And the main players normally really appreciate it. Lost a game, but more important that Ron stays happy and compfortable and knows he'll have his cahnces I think.
 
Bricklayer said:
Kevin did get extended min this time -- 39 of them in fact.

The thought would have been to give Bonzi more time at SF in place of Ron. But not Rick's M.O. And while its always easy to raise questions when guys have bad games, his method is always to show confidence and give his main guys the time to work through it. And the main players normally really appreciate it. Lost a game, but more important that Ron stays happy and compfortable and knows he'll have his cahnces I think.

I agree. I think with Ron's temperment if you start yanking him out of games if he doesn't play well it's going to get in his head & he won't play as well. Plus, he has a tendency to come on big in the 4th quarter, and it's hard not to have him in there when you want to win.
 
Rockmeister said:
Why do the Timberwolves deserve a "lower" grade than the Kings? The Kings had 27 turnovers which deserves no more than an F-.

T'Wolves had 21 Turnovers and got out-rebounded by 13, 46-33.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Missed most of the second half but heard the first on the radio. Did we dare try putting Ron on KG at all?

Think we did once or twice, but can't be sure. once when I thought it was ron it turned out to be Reef (he was behind KG in the post). In any case, there are limits to Ron's magic (not that he had much of it yesterday anyway). KG is 7'1" and very long. Just out of reach. Will say this though, given that Kenny is no taller than Ron, and given how he got worked over by KG, we might as well have tried Ron. Problems would then be though who would KT guard, and of course the potential for a huge rebounding issue.
 
If I remember, we put Ron on KG for one play where KG just stood up on tippy-toe, so to speak, and extended his arms up and shot right over Ron.

Didn't see it happen again.
 
1kingzfan said:
Not sure this is true.

Adelman said just the other day that since he went to a 7-man rotation, he has stopped full-scale scrimmaging in practice. This is to compensate for the additional 5 to 10 minutes the starters are logging over what might normally be expected.

So, who should be fresher...the team that goes 7-deep and does not tax its players in practice? Or a team that goes 9-deep, the players average 5 to 10 minutes less on average per game, and the coach busts their *** with 30-60 minutes of full-scale game-like scrimmaging a couple times a week?

The "fresh" team looks a little unclear to me.

In my opinion, Ron doesn't look tired at all...he looks hurt.

They looked tired to me. Very tired. 43 minutes of game time is VERY taxing. If you want proof look at the way this team played on Sunday.
 
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