[Grades] Grades v. Thunder 4/8/2014

Who would you rather have going forward?

  • Travis Outlaw

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • Kevin Durant

    Votes: 9 23.7%
  • I am torn

    Votes: 21 55.3%

  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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Kevin Durant 23pts 4reb 4ast
Travis Outlaw 24pts 5reb 4ast

When you have an Outlaw, who needs a Durant?

So...well, this was lost before the tip. But for about three quarters we put up a good fight, and you could see we really wanted to make this happen...somehow. Down three starters, and 2 of our 3 scorers though...

Boogie was brilliant for 3/4 and then faded badly at the end, got sloppy, or tired or something. Travis OUtlaw amusingly stepped forward with one of those Outlaw garbagetime of the season performances to be Cuz's wingman. Most, but not all (looking at you DWill, WTH?) of the other guys made plays here and there that we hung around. Got the lead down to 4 in the mid 3rd. And then Cuz and Outlaw went cold together, we had no other answers, and the lead rapidly ballooned out of control again. We gotta fix this this summer now, because you can see Cuz's frustration is not entirely aimed at the refs or opponents by this point.

4 to go now, and it will be almost a relief. Still the Consortium raises its tattered banner one more time here:

Your Consoritum Graders tonight:
Bricklayer
Bajaden
Rainmaker
Capt. Factorial
Henkel


Boxscore

Stats: 37min 24pts (11-20, 1-6, 1-2) 5reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Outlaw ( A ) -- If Travis Outlaw doesn’t get an ‘A’ for this performance, what would he have to do to get one? Outlaw got the last minute start for Rudy Gay who didn’t play with some sort of back issue. With Thomas already out, this game could have gone much worse. Cousins was really good, but we know he’s really good. He’s usually really good. The Kings needed someone else to step up in Gay and Thomas’s absence, and Outlaw was really the only guy to do that. He was knocking down jumpers from all over the court early, including heavily contested fadeaway’s that Outlaw can and does hit more than he probably should because of his length. He would go on to actually do some uncharacteristic Travis Outlaw things. I’m pointing to the 4 assists, really, and he was able to rack some of those up with the drive and kick. As the game progressed his offensive game opened up, and in addition to the jumpers he started making a few plays at the rim, including some drives to the basket and two tip ins. His defense wasn’t as good, obviously, but it was OK considering the player he was tasked to defend. Durant is going to score. I mean, going into this game with the Kings he was on a 40 something game streak scoring 25 points or more and the Kings were able to hold him to 23. Of course, he didn’t play the fourth quarter, but he still played 31 minutes. When Outlaw was actually guarding Durant he did OK. The bigger issue was losing Durant (or Caron Butler) off the ball or in transition, which is something Outlaw always seems to struggle with. Considering the competition, the Kings lineup, the player he had to defend, and the load he had to carry, this was certainly one of Outlaws better games in a Kings uniform. He and Cousins kept the team in it as long as they could, but a loss here was inevitable. --Mass

Stats: 36min 11pts (3-8, 0-0, 5-7) 7reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- Struggled early and had a tough time with Ibaka's quickness, but in typical JT fashion just kept plugging away and ended up with a productive effort. With our depleted roster JT had a few more opportunities on the offensive end and in the early going that wasn't a good thing. Lost the ball on his first attempt while trying to force his way across the lane. Ended the quarter with a air ball and then started the second quarter by getting his shot partially blocked on another forced attempt. His offensive highlight of the first half came on a nice drop off pass from McLemore as he rolled to the hoop for the basket and the foul. Outside of that play and a offesnive board just couldn't produce baskets for us against OKC inside or with his mid range jumper, which wasn't falling. On the defensive side after a pretty decent first quarter Jason began to struggle with Ibaka's quickness in the final minutes of his long first half run. Played better in the third as he managed to get himself to the line on a couple of driving layup attempts. Hit his only shot of the quarter, a mid range jumper, while doing a solid job of not allowing Ibaka the opportunity to drive on him. Added a couple of tough boards and some good rotation defense during this stretch as well. Didn't see much action in the fourth. He did have a nice block and recovery before heading to the bench for remainder of garbage time. Not surprisingly things didn't go well when he was trying to create for himself, but once he fell back into his normal role found ways to be productive as usual. --Henkel

Stats: 35min 24pts (10-24, 0-0, 4-6) 14reb 1ast 2stl 2blk 3TO
Cousins ( B+ ) -- For about the first 30 minutes of this one Cuz was the best player on the floor in this one, outshining the putative MVP, and heck, even outshining Travis Outlaw. After trying an early gallop down the lane for a power dunk that got swatted away in impressive fashion by Ibaka, first established the jumper from all angles and then began bulling his way back inside to get to the line -- no easy task on a night when the refs weren't calling much. But for a long spell thought he handled the physical play better than he normally does mentally -- when you're the bully on the block you have to relish that contact not complain about it, and while he wasn't happy, he wasn't letting it bother him either. Had 13pts 5reb by the end of the first quarter alone, and when he got back in the game he really turned up the physicality, jus muscling through Ibaka and Adams and doubles and anything else the Thunder were throwing at him. Also had a great hustle save of his own miss that got the ball back in and led to an OKC foul. Back to back bad pass turnovers in the late 2nd briefly helped take the shine off things, but he came back out in the third with some brilliant offensive stuff that finally forced OKC to call a timeout as we had cut the lead all the way down to 4 and both our star and our scrubs had that hop in their step like they believed they were going to make this happen. I don't think I would have A+'s him at that point, but you would have had a hard time chasing me off of a straight A. He was dominating one of the best teams in basketball, in a game they cared about, while surrounded by a terrible lineup of guys who couldn't keep the doubles off him. Unfortunately he was never the same after that timeout. Missed a shot, missed another. After hitting such spectacular shots earlier in the quarter, almost felt like he was getting too cute trying to make it happen again. Outlaw went cold at the same time, and so even though Cuz showed good awareness that he was cooling off and switched into passing mode, nobody he passed to hit anything. And all of a sudden our 4pt deficit ballooned up and within 6 minutes the game was entirely over. Cuz grabbed a few more rebounds, but never did hit another shot, and finally was pulled in the mid 4th with Malone whispering in his ear in what looked like an explanation because Cuz still wanted to fight. Probably telling him we needed him for tonight against the Blazers. One side note: in the last few games, and definitely in this one, I have started to see Cuz getting frustrated with his teammates' incompetence. A lot of grimaces and throwing his arms up when guys blow wide open kickout threes or can't catch passes at the rim, don't rotate on defense etc. I am reminded of why its always been said that great players struggle as coaches while roleplayers make good ones. The game comes easy to the greats, and its hard for them to understand why/how all the peons struggle with it. A subtle way this tanking and leaving him out there alone stuff can cause issues. Its probably time for this season to end now before the frustration builds too far. And we damn well better come back with a crew next year able to compete every night. --Brick

Stats: 39min 11pts (3-9, 1-4, 4-4) 8reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
McLemore ( C- ) -- Our own little Commando Cody had a really poor shooting night in the box score, but I think it really wasn't as bad as it looked - he missed a dunk where he didn't really try to hotdog it (it just rattled out somehow) and another layup where he drove right around Durant but then didn't take anything off of it at the rim, clanking it hard off the window. He hit a very good looking three and got two nice baskets at the rim, one on a coast-to-coast break and one big dunk off of a long offensive rebound, but in the early fourth we ran two plays to get him two wide open threes and he missed them both, putting his shooting percentage in the tank for the night. Ben had an interesting defensive night - there was a clear strategy to slump hard off of the corner shooter (which was, of course, never Durant). This was usually Ben's man, be it Sefolosha, Fisher, Lamb, or sometimes Butler. Ben's job was to drop all the way down into the paint and dare the Thunder to kick out to the shooter in the corner, which they NEVER did. EVER. That left Ben available for a bit of disruption in the paint, or to rush at a shooter up top whose man had left to double Durant. It worked OK, really, and it left Ben in position to have a great rebounding night with 8. But then, in the mid-fourth the Thunder changed their strategy and started running Lamb off of screens, the result being Lamb hitting 3 shots for 8 points in very short order to put the game out of reach. Ben's inability to get through the screens in the mid-fourth and his spotty shooting dropped his grade down a bit, but altogether he had a nice night - I was especially happy with his defense (and Malone's scheme) for 3+ quarters before it fell apart.--Capt.

Stats: 45min 7pts (3-14, 1-3, 0-0) 2reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
McCallum ( D+ ) -- I tried hard to make myself give Ray a C-, but I just in good conscious couldn't. So lets talk about the good things he did. Well, he made nice entry passes and he did have five assists. By my account, he should have had 12, maybe 13 assists. Unfortunately he kept passing the ball to people that couldn't shoot. Some that couldn't make wide open layups or dunks. I won't name any names. He also played pretty good defense, although he had his hands full trying to keep up with Jackson, who turned the corner on Ray a couple of times. It was probably a relief for him when Fisher came into the game. By the way, how about that pick Acy put on Fisher! Just seeing if your paying attention. Ray only had 2 turnovers, but for some reason, it felt like more. He balanced those with a couple of steals. Unfortunately, Ray's shot has left the building and took an early vacation. I've seen players go 3 for 14 before. Hell, I saw Tim Hardaway go something like 2 for 22 one night. Of course Timmy wasn't a rookie trying to make a lasting impression. Tonight's game isn't the lasting impression that Ray is looking for. I'll cut him a little slack because he's playing over 40 minutes a night, but he's definitely lost confidence in his shot. To the point where I thought he was reluctant to look for his shot. Remember how aggressive he was just a few games ago. He's young and he'll recover. Take heart Ray, only 4 more games left and then you can head to Hawaii or some other exotic place to forget about all this maddness. --Baja
 
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Bench

Stats: 20min 1pt (0-0, 0-0, 1-2) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Williams ( F ) -- Travis Outlaw showed up. Derrick Williams did the opposite of that. He did absolutely nothing for 20 minutes. He didn’t record one field goal attempt! I don’t think it is a stretch to say that I could do what Derrick Williams did tonight. You could do what Derrick Williams did tonight. And it wouldn’t cost the Kings 5 million dollars. It’s funny (maybe sad is the better word) we all liked the Derrick Williams trade when it happened, and for good reason! But my God has this gone down hill fast. He can still turn it around next season … maybe? If he’s still here? But I wouldn’t mind having Mbah A Moute’s defense and veteran status around here, I’ll tell you that much. --Mass

Stats: 17min 6pts (3-5, 0-1, 0-1) 3reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Acy ( B ) -- After being relegated to spot minutes as of late came into this one and provided a good effort. Got things going early in his second quarter run with a mid range baseline jumper. Followed by a three point play after tracking down the offensive rebound. Came in for the last defensive play of the half and had a athletic block on Ibaka at the rim. By the time he got back in we were well into garbage time, but he didn't seem content to just wind this one down and provide a few excellent hustle plays. Plus anytime you knock Fisher on his ass, regardless of the score, credit is deserved. Still needs to do a better job of checking his man on the defensive boards, but overall you have to respect the effort. --Henkel

Stats: 6min 8pts (1-2, 0-0, 6-6) 1reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Cunningham ( C+ ) -- Came in for nine seconds at the end of the first half to give a strategic foul on Steven Adams, which he successfully did (though I'm not sure why it took nine seconds). Didn't re-enter the game until true garbagetime in the fourth, mostly locked up against Jeremy Lamb, as both started out playing SG, and then both moved to PG as the rubbish really got ripe. Not much to say about Cunningham tonight, other than that he didn't get himself laughed off the court in garbagetime. He hit all six of his free throws, and he had one great defensive play (where he picked Lamb's pocket for a breakaway), one good defensive play (where he locked up Lamb on a drive and forced a bad contested jumper), and one very poor defensive play (where Lamb killed him on a backdoor cut for a layup). I wanted to give him an incomplete given the PT he got, but then I felt like he did just enough to merit a real grade. It wasn't an outstanding outing, but it was adequate - and most importantly, hopefully it was good enough to give Malone the confidence to bring him in during more meaningful minutes, as Ray is defnitely going to want a *few* minutes of rest down the stretch. --Capt.

Stats: 4min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Gray ( INC ) -- came in the game in the late garbagetime, immediately showed no awareness/rotation as the Thunder ran a play behind him along the baseline for an easy score. On the other end similarly set a pick and did not even bother looking for a pass on the roll, instead running off to go set another pick for somebody else. too bad for him too because Ray looked like he would have passed it to him if he had not just entirely turned his back/been interested in scoring. Did get a couple of solid rebounds, one on either end. That was it. Don't know how many more minutes he may have as a King. He should make them count better than this. --Brick
 
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Well, someone might bite and exchange smaller expiring for DWill, so Kings get a bit of room under Luxury Tax, but that's it. At the same time this will be his contract year, so maybe Kings gamble on him working hard this off-season with clear goal in mind.
 
One quality I really love in Outlaw is unlike D-Will and Rudy the guy will play with no fear and give you 100%, great game from Travis going head to head with the MVP instead of being scared and getting himself ejected he put himself in a position to succeed. Any team that moves the ball against us is going to destroy us and you can only rely on Cousins for so long in particular when he's getting tripled every time down.

Good effort for 3/4's of the game but Thunder just on another level.
 
I have been impressed with Outlaw lately. I agree with "Dwill WTH". He does not appear to be what we thought he was. Cousins is an all star. I'm so glad we had the brains to resign him. He does look frustrated and I can't blame him. The team fights hard but can't hang in there to the end. I'm not sure our goal is to win as much as be competitive. I don't see how a draft pick is going to make all the difference. The entire team will have to get better next year. Not to mention we have to stay healthy to have any hope of a winning season.
 
Kings management gets a D for dumb: Too little, too late. Too little tanking, too late tanking. (Happy Days! We could get the 12th pick!) They can't sanctimoniously say that they don't believe in this morally bankrupt process of tanking, because they are in fact doing it, except they've taken this long to go all in, and it's just too late. They've waited until now to have this epiphany that the only player that is going to be left for them in the draft is Screwed, so now they've finally gotten the nerve to go all, as if a little bit of cupidity is better than bit more of cupidity. Now Gay and Evans get tweaked backs, now when the competition - the Lakers - have completely outplayed them. You have to hand to the Lakers - they beat the Kings when they want to win; they beat 'em when they don't want to win. It's left to the ping pong ball gods to rectify the situation, but those that don't help themselves...? I'm not counting on the basketball gods rewarding stupidity.
 
Kings management gets a D for dumb: Too little, too late. Too little tanking, too late tanking. (Happy Days! We could get the 12th pick!) They can't sanctimoniously say that they don't believe in this morally bankrupt process of tanking, because they are in fact doing it, except they've taken this long to go all in, and it's just too late. They've waited until now to have this epiphany that the only player that is going to be left for them in the draft is Screwed, so now they've finally gotten the nerve to go all, as if a little bit of cupidity is better than bit more of cupidity. Now Gay and Evans get tweaked backs, now when the competition - the Lakers - have completely outplayed them. You have to hand to the Lakers - they beat the Kings when they want to win; they beat 'em when they don't want to win. It's left to the ping pong ball gods to rectify the situation, but those that don't help themselves...? I'm not counting on the basketball gods rewarding stupidity.

OR they, you know, may actually be injured. Rudy hasn't exactly been looking all that hot for the last week or so.
 
Some in-person observations from probably my last game attended this season:

Cousins definitely looked frustrated at times, especially toward the end. Appeared to even take himself out of the game, but at that point I'm not sure why Malone still had him in. I did think his defense looked better for the most part.

The Kings could have used some offense from Williams, and his disappearing act remains a mystery, although should not be surprising given the warnings we received from Wolves fans. When Cousins sat--and of course without Thomas or Gay--the offense did not work. There were times when the team could have used Landry out there to at least provide a low post threat (now, whether that's worth the contract is another issue). Thompson took some inexplicable shots but did have a nice block toward the end.

For most of the game, McCallum showed a nice ability to break down his defender, but what happened afterward rarely worked. Either he passed to a teammate who missed or he missed a jumper of his own. He always seemed to go left, though, and later in the second half the Thunder had adjusted and Adams was cutting him off, then things got tricky for Ray. He'll have to learn to adjust.

The game was surprisingly competitive for three quarters, and I feel like they were only a few missed Caron Butler shots from staying in it for a while. Butler hit some contested jumpers, and was simply on fire out there.

Highlight was probably the guy hitting the half-court shot for the car
 
Kings management gets a D for dumb: Too little, too late. Too little tanking, too late tanking. (Happy Days! We could get the 12th pick!) They can't sanctimoniously say that they don't believe in this morally bankrupt process of tanking, because they are in fact doing it, except they've taken this long to go all in, and it's just too late. They've waited until now to have this epiphany that the only player that is going to be left for them in the draft is Screwed, so now they've finally gotten the nerve to go all, as if a little bit of cupidity is better than bit more of cupidity. Now Gay and Evans get tweaked backs, now when the competition - the Lakers - have completely outplayed them. You have to hand to the Lakers - they beat the Kings when they want to win; they beat 'em when they don't want to win. It's left to the ping pong ball gods to rectify the situation, but those that don't help themselves...? I'm not counting on the basketball gods rewarding stupidity.
Cheer up, we're going to get a good player in the draft but that's not the most important thing we need. We need a Veteran starting SG. Put IT in there, a complimentary veteran beside him and we will be a long step towards a significantly better season next year. If we could also get Durant that would special.
 
OR they, you know, may actually be injured. Rudy hasn't exactly been looking all that hot for the last week or so.

Highly doubtful, especially when Napier intimates that Gay could have played if it counted for something; add Malone's weak response when asked about Gay's injury and you come up with a too little, too late tank. Also, IT's thigh contusion must be of epic proportions to be out this long; there has been barely a parenthetical phrase issued from Kings announcers his status in the last few games.
 
Highly doubtful, especially when Napier intimates that Gay could have played if it counted for something; add Malone's weak response when asked about Gay's injury and you come up with a too little, too late tank. Also, IT's thigh contusion must be of epic proportions to be out this long; there has been barely a parenthetical phrase issued from Kings announcers his status in the last few games.

yeah, i've gotta agree with you on this one. the number of random, barely-explained injuries to kings' starters in these last few weeks of the season are very clearly in the spirit of "featuring" the rookies, which is really just coded language for tanking. problem is, the lakers and jazz have been doing it for just a bit longer and just a bit better, so it's basically just going to amount to a frustrated demarcus cousins fuming his way through the final moments of another lost season...
 
I eagerly anticipate your explanation for how I'm misreading that.

Me too. I am in general tired of the Kings bashing and in particular the JT bashing. There are 450 people from all around the world who are in the NBA. They do not suck and they are not scrubs. They are all great athletes. I find it particularly offensive that a person who represents himself/herself as a Kings fan can demean a player on this team. Why be a Kings fan if you think the players are scrubs?
 
Maybe it's like that old military saying, boss: "There are only two perfect duty stations, the one you just left, and the one you're about to go to." Maybe, for some people, being a Kings Fan is like that, and the only players worth rooting for are the ones we just traded/let walk, and the one we're going to get in the next draft. Maybe that why some people are so het up over ping-pong balls, all the time?
 
Maybe it's like that old military saying, boss: "There are only two perfect duty stations, the one you just left, and the one you're about to go to." Maybe, for some people, being a Kings Fan is like that, and the only players worth rooting for are the ones we just traded/let walk, and the one we're going to get in the next draft. Maybe that why some people are so het up over ping-pong balls, all the time?

An understandable response when the one you're at is constantly getting shelled every night. :p
 
yeah, i've gotta agree with you on this one. the number of random, barely-explained injuries to kings' starters in these last few weeks of the season are very clearly in the spirit of "featuring" the rookies, which is really just coded language for tanking. problem is, the lakers and jazz have been doing it for just a bit longer and just a bit better, so it's basically just going to amount to a frustrated demarcus cousins fuming his way through the final moments of another lost season...
Gloomy, yes, realistic, probably. Could you put a more positive twist on this just for me. I think there is one but it's not immediately coming to mind.
 
Didn't realize that was a prerequisite? o_O

Why would you quote someone from another thread, bring it into this thread... and then try and make people feel stupid for not knowing what the hell you're talking about?

Your attitude is really wearing thin. Maybe you need to take a break and come back when you can be nicer. People are here to talk basketball. I'm sure there is a forum for one upping know it alls out there somewhere if that interests you more than basketball. The people here just want to talk Kings.
 
Why would you quote someone from another thread, bring it into this thread... and then try and make people feel stupid for not knowing what the hell you're talking about?
Why would anyone assume that the sixth reply into a thread, which leads off with the words "I'm still waiting" would necessarily be talking about that thread?

Your attitude is really wearing thin. Maybe you need to take a break and come back when you can be nicer. People are here to talk basketball. I'm sure there is a forum for one upping know it alls out there somewhere if that interests you more than basketball. The people here just want to talk Kings.
:: shrugs ::

You'll leave before I will.
 
I thought yesterday's game was good for the Kings. Our rookies stepped up and hung around with the Thunder for 3 quarters. Then they got tired. And of course they got tired! Rookies playing big minutes, and all this with a thin bench.
 
Didn't realize that was a prerequisite? o_O

Rather than reply all the way through, I will just say here that it's damn hard to keep track of what is being said in other threads. I don't know if that was a game thread (I didn't read yesterday's game thread because I was playing catch-up on the DVR) or what, but yeah...if you're going to rail against a statement it's nice to know somebody actually said it.
 
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