Grades v. Thunder 11/28/09

Which Thunder player hurt us the most?

  • Durant

    Votes: 7 13.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 22 42.3%
  • Krstic

    Votes: 10 19.2%
  • Westbrook

    Votes: 13 25.0%

  • Total voters
    52
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Mama said there would be days like this...but she didn't say anything about how much it would suck on opening night.

Mason (D ) -- very little as a starter. Got his only hoop courtesy of a nice Kevin setup, while having no effect on Durant at all on defense. And the outside shot looked as awkward as ever.

Thompson (B-) -- started off the game active following up Kings misses, but was not defending well against Green, and once again quickly got into foul trouble. Picked up his third immediately after returning in the second quarter, and played all of 7 minutes in the first half. Began to dominate in the 4th against the Thunder scrubs, forcing them to eventually reinsert their main guys to ice it. The late activity was nice, but can't bump the grade any further for repeatign the foul trouble error he made all last season and missing the bulk of the game while it was still in question.

May ( C- ) -- one nice early take into Krstic's chest, but otherwise not much in the early going, and wasn't doing enough defensive work early against Krstic, allowing him deep position. And once Krstic caught the ball he had a 4 inch height advanatge and was having little problem scoring. Was active in his second stint in the late second quarter, and seemed to be engaged in a runnng conversation with Casspi taking and giving "advice". Got pulled after some shoddy defense to start the third quarter, and never returned. And get this, managed to grab a grand total of zero rebounds in 18 minutes of action..against noted board masher Nenad Krstic.

Martin (A-) -- started to do the foul drawing thing as the first quarter wore on, and was all we had going for much of the first half. Prolific scoring in the early second actually forced an OKC timeout to reset. Had a quickness edge on both Sefalosha and Harden and loves that situation. Was beating all his defenders with quickness and I was wondering how long it would take the Thunder to make the obvious switch of putting Westbrook onto him, while swappng somebody else onto Sergio as a non-scorer. They finally did in the final minute of the 2nd quarter, and the result was instantly a miss and then a forced pass. Why do I know about this but opposing coaches do not? Maybe I should hire out as a scout. On the other side Thefalosha is not an offensive player, and to his credit Kevin didn't make him into one, although I did catch him givng up on a rotation or two. May have done the get tired thing as he had 24 of those points in the first half and did little after the break then throw himself around looking for foul calls that weren't forthcoming. Set up several people with passes in the face of double team pressure. Was kind of the lone ray of light for the Kings until Omri came on in the second half. As an aside, had not checked the box when I assigned this grade, and did not realize the 2nd half shooting woes had reached 5-19 proportions -- a good argument could be made for a B+ on that basis but I'll stick with initial impressions.

Evans (D) -- NOT the start Reke wanted to get off to in the NBA. Started off the game looking semi-PGy, not creating many great looks, but moving the ball willingly up top. Added in a really nifty postup of Westbrook, but was struggling with efficiency. Was again penetrating but not finishing, missing his jumpers, and as he started to get frustrated, got a little sloppy, getting called for palming, an offensive foul, just clearly out of rhythm. Had a few flashes of niftiness here and there, played some good defense on the break but also was getting caught on picks up top vs. Westbrook. Just a poor game all around, and in the NBA rest for the wicked comes in the form of Chris Paul up next. Have fun kid.

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Hawes (C-) -- came in and was immediately worked over by Krstic, but did deflect a shot by Etan Thomas to show some defensive backbone. Quickly went back to softish fluttering, throwing up a variety of half hearted junk, fadeways, a bricked three, just here and there stuff. Was back in for good a couple of minutes into the third after Westphal had seen enough of May. Eventually showed a little life in the late third, blocking a shot, getting a follow, and generally not playing like a weenie. Finally dropped a good post move laste in the 4th as well. But there was no sustained impact, and a lot of soft defense along the way to an impactless 8pt 6rebs in 35 minutes.

Casspi ( B+ ) -- got off to a slow start in his debut game, but got stronger and stronger as the game went along and had a big second half. Looked good on the catch and shoot with that jumper and had several strong takes to start the 4th quarter. Most of his contributions were offensive, and made several defensive mistakes. But overall it was a confident looking effort just taking shots wihtout hesitation, and mixing in drives when challenged.

Nocioni ( C ) -- had a couple of nice takes after coming in, but that was largely the extent of his effectiveness. did scrap for some boards, but got worked in the post by fellow tweener forward Green and I think he was reaping the nonbenefits of years of flopping on some calls, getting no benefit of the doubt from the refs. Had no impact on the game.

Rodriguez ( C ) -- came in ahead of Beno as the backup PG and very much did his best imitation of Sergio Rodriguez, making a few nice passes, forcing one he should nto have, and struggling on defense.

Brockman (INC) -- brought in in the middle second quarter in some desperation as Westphal tried to find somebody to get our rebounding under control. OKC immediately pummeled inside on the glass for a followup but things improved from there, with Peaches getting his first NBA hoop on a flying break and helping key an 8-0 run with his energy. Don't think he ever returned after that stint.

Greene ( INC ) -- was in and out of a couple of short stints where he did not do much, but did have the honor of getting to guard, and get quickly scored on, by Kevin Durant.

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Westphal ( ) -- not how Coach wanted his return to the NBA to go either, but at least he did not throw a chair I suppose. Whatever offense he has installed, we didn't see it. And whatever focus on rebounding and defense he may have made in the preseason, we saw even less of it. Went deep in his bench early looking for some answers, but didn't find anything until it was to late to matter. Like some of our stubborn coaches in the past, insisted on playing our starters until the final minute of the game...but the difference is that our starters nowadays are also our kids, so the people who need the minutes were still for the most poart getting them (having Kevin in there instead of Donte aside). Still not feeling his decision to start May over Hawes, and after tonight, may not be able to give him the benefit of the doubt on starting Maosn over Casspi either. let's thrwo the best, and youngest, we've got out there and see what happens.
 
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The offense had no resemblance of cohesion what so ever. It was like a 1 on 1 isolation showcase out there, and they were not getting back on defense at all.......

[sarcasm] It's going to be a fantastic year of Kings basketball! [/sarcasm]
 
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Get ready for many more games like this.

Yah definitely.. Well I can't bum season tickets off of anyone anymore. because my father was the only one left that had them of my friends/family, and he didn't renew them this year. Ahh well.. At least with them on TV I can change the channel of I don't like what I am seeing rather than having to sit through it.

This team though.... Ugggh.. It's hard enough watching this team play and to see all that 1 on 1 basketball just tears it.
 
That's a bad team...... I guess that's not a revelation. However, I was surprised at the lack of effort for the first three quarters...

The over/under for the Kings win total this year is 23 1/2.........

I'm going under......
 
Prediction: Spencer starts within the next 3 games.

If May wants to keep his starting spot, he needs the get more than 0 rebs. Pathetic. How the hell does your starting center not get a single f-ing reb against Krstic???
 
Casspi would get a B or even a B+ as his + / - rating of +10 was better than any starter, the best of which was -12 ! ! ! ! Even Rodriquez had a +7!

OkCity was ready and found early on the Kings had forgotten about "D" and took it to them. The only positives for Kings were Kevin and Omri and only 12 TO's.

I agree Hawes may be starting within 3 games but having only May off the bench then worries me big time.

Is Beno hurt?

Brockman gets a B+ for his banging and hustle again and some great put-backs.

First real game with 3 new starters so this is not as surprising as it could have been.
 
Prediction: Spencer starts within the next 3 games.

If May wants to keep his starting spot, he needs the get more than 0 rebs. Pathetic. How the hell does your starting center not get a single f-ing reb against Krstic???



Let's see. 7'0 unathletic dude vs 6'9 fat dude. I'd go with the taller guy.
 
martin played like martin, casspi played well in his first nba game but this team sucks. but it was pure genius to trade miller and salmons for nocioni so that young players like hawes, greene and now casspi could get more minutes only to have our third new coach in 4 season to start our prize offseason acquistions desmond mason at sf and sean f'n may at center.

we need a pg to run our offense, we have one on the bench in sergio but start evans. we need size up front, we have a talented but wussy 7ft center on the bench yet we start sean f'n may.

we need outside shooting to spread the floor so that martin and evans can drive, we have a pretty good outside shooter with good size for his position on the bench in casspi but we have desmond mason sucking it up.

and we dont have a back up center. i miss salmons and miller... we wouldnt have lost this game with them on the team.
 
Start Casspi and Brockman IMO. JT can play center better than May, Brockman is a scrappy guy who will get more than 0 boards, and then you still have a 7 footer off the bench. I wish Petrie would stop messing around and get a freaking back up center already so Hawes can start next to JT.
 
martin played like martin, casspi played well in his first nba game but this team sucks. but it was pure genius to trade miller and salmons for nocioni so that young players like hawes, greene and now casspi could get more minutes only to have our third new coach in 4 season to start our prize offseason acquistions desmond mason at sf and sean f'n may at center.

we need a pg to run our offense, we have one on the bench in sergio but start evans. we need size up front, we have a talented but wussy 7ft center on the bench yet we start sean f'n may.

we need outside shooting to spread the floor so that martin and evans can drive, we have a pretty good outside shooter with good size for his position on the bench in casspi but we have desmond mason sucking it up.

and we dont have a back up center. i miss salmons and miller... we wouldnt have lost this game with them on the team.

and we need some fans to stop acting like they're god incarnates of GMs and coaches after the team has played 1 game
 
and we need some fans to stop acting like they're god incarnates of GMs and coaches after the team has played 1 game

how many times will you be saying that this season? its only one game. when we start off 0-6 or 1-5 maybe we can beat the grizzlies. though we couldnt beat the thunder. im not saying that i am better than petrie but i could build a losing team just as easily as he did.
 
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i miss salmons and miller... we wouldnt have lost this game with them on the team.

Please tell me your not serious. You really want Miller, who threw in the towel after about 15 games last year, and Salmons who dribbled the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock, back. And where would our rebuild be then? Miller either starting, or stewing over the fact that he's backing up Hawes on a bad team. Salmons taking away minutes from young players like Casspi. Your starting to sound like my ex-wife that pointed out every mistake I ever made on a daily basis. Thats why she's my ex-wife.

Dude, I just can't handle talking about the past all the time. It changes nothing. Its a waste of time, and its self indulgent. Wallow if you want to, but its just one game. One game. Did you hear me! One game. Try to keep it in perspective. And chill out..
 
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Please tell me your not serious. You really want Miller, who threw in the towel after about 15 games last year, and Salmons who dribbled the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock, back. And where would our rebuild be then? Miller either starting, or stewing over the fact that he's backing up Hawes on a bad team. Salmons taking away minutes from young players like Casspi. Your starting to sound like my ex-wife that pointed out every mistake I ever made on a daily basis. Thats why she's my ex-wife.

Dude, I just can't handle talking about the past all the time. It changes nothing. Its a waste of time, and its self indulgent. Wallow if you want to, but its just one game. One game. Did you hear me! One game. Try to keep it in perspective. And chill out..

ugh isnt hawes backing up on a bad team right now anyways? isnt mason starting over casspi? and nocioni...

im not serious about missing miller and salmons but damn... you really couldnt tell by the way this team is being run. instead of benching our young players to start a couple of overpaid vets we are benching them for sean may and mason.... thats worse. at least slamons and miller were actually better than the players that they were starting over. the same can not be said of may and mason. or even evans for that matter, yeah i said it.... one game into the regular season.
 
the same can not be said of may and mason. or even evans for that matter, yeah i said it.... one game into the regular season.

Oh I'm sorry I think we all forgot that Tyreke Evans is not as good as Sergio your one and only true love at point guard and Beno the benevolent. Hell let's bench Tyreke for the rest of the season and trade him for expiring contracts in 2 years time.
 
perspective

Lets not get too excited about a bad outing folks. There will be plenty more like this one. Remember we are still supposed to suck this season. Nobody....and I mean nobody thought we were suddenly going to be contenders right?

I intend to enjoy watching the young guys develop and not worry about wins and losses. We aren't going to the playoffs so what difference does it make this year?

Now if we look this bad at the beginning of next year with a new top draft pick and hopefully a trade or two behind us, then we should start complaining.
 
I took a valium before the game.:cool:

so was i, half a blunt and a big mac. not just any big mac, it had bacon and tomato on it with no pickles.... delicious.... oh and a green tea arizona.
 
ugh isnt hawes backing up on a bad team right now anyways? isnt mason starting over casspi? and nocioni...

im not serious about missing miller and salmons but damn... you really couldnt tell by the way this team is being run. instead of benching our young players to start a couple of overpaid vets we are benching them for sean may and mason.... thats worse. at least slamons and miller were actually better than the players that they were starting over. the same can not be said of may and mason. or even evans for that matter, yeah i said it.... one game into the regular season.
You rant about starting starting older acquistions over our young guys, but then criticize starting Evans over Sergio. Why is it logical argument on one side, but not the other? And don't tell me its because Sergio is clearly better than Evans, because Sergio hasn't impressed me much. A known turnover machine in Portland, he still seems to have that problem. Evans will be a far better player than Sergio will ever be. Evans needs to be on the floor.
 
Very tough game to watch, yeah I know coach wants Spencer to come off bench to be sure one of our two bigs would be available in foul trouble but I really feel you need to start JT and Hawes, hopefully JT will avoid fouls, and half way through the first the big with the most fouls comes out then I think Brockman needs to go in to get the boards and should play much more than 5 freakin min. Sean May should be the 4th option only if the first 3 bigs get in foul trouble later in game.

SF - Im sorry Mason should be 3rd option or injury insurance only, his shooting is pathetic, all this talk about him being a defensive stopper - puulllease I just dont see it at all. Omri has earned the minutes if you want his offense off the bench, sure ok, just play him 30 min, Put Nocioni to start maybe he will stop pouting and make some shots, if not yank him early and play Omri and please no more Nocioni at PF!

Guards - Of course Kev and reke to start. and yes I know im gonna get hammered for saying so, but I think Sergio should be our third PG again for injury insurance only, his shooting is way too inconsistant, just have not seen any defense. Beno is getting the big bucks, I thought the Beno, Reke
combo worked well during pre-season. Beno says he can thrive in Phil's new system - give him the chance to prove it. I want Beno from 2 seasons ago to come back!

Final note: Getting Nocioni and Beno involved more may pay us dividends around the trade deadline. (one can hope)

So in recap : May, Mason, Sergio all one yr contrats that wont be here next yr (should be 9-11 on rotation)

Nocioni and Beno - play them til they fit in better, hope for trade, if not turn them into backup role players if possible

Greene - If he gets his head together then if Nocioni gets traded maybe play him behind Omri
 
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