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Do you?Do you think before you post?
Do you?Do you think before you post?
thats ridiculous, if your facing a triple team you kick it out to the guy thats open, Cousins was forcing up garbage tonight, while everyone has off nights, for people to say we lost because IT scored 38 pts(on 11-18 shooting) is an absolute joke, when Cousins went 6-17 with 7 TO's and the Thunder had 34 pts off turnovers. Theres the story of the game right there, we were only in it at half time because IT kept us in it, both scoring and creating shots for others off of his penetration.
BTW putting Cousins in the same conversation as Jordan, Lebron, Kobe shows how much basketball knowledge you must have. Even if he would ever get to that level(highly unlikely), those players didn't truly become great until they started trusting their teammates and NOT forcing shots over double and triple teams(at least for Jordan and Kobe, Lebron has always been a team player).
Let me get three guy circled around you and see how many clean passes you can off brother. He'll some pgs can't get a clean pass with one guy in front of them but you expect a center banging with 3 swiping at the ball to pull off this beautiful pass to somebody.
So what was the problem when we had a center that didn't do that? Hawes, miller. Was it because we didn't have the dynamic of an Isaiah Thomas. We are a losing team. The reason we are is not Demarcus cousins.
Lebron/Durant and especially Kobe go up over 2-3 defenders all the time, especially when within 5ft of the hoop.
What are we even talking about here? Every All Star level player forces it at times over multiple defenders. A reason for that is an All Star level player sees more attention and double/triple coverage than role players. Did Cuz force it at times? Yes. Is he good enough to still make plays and/or score over double/triple coverage? Yes. Not tonight though. And Isaiah had a good shooting night, but Cuz was also likely forcing it because a) he wasn't getting the ball where he operates best which is a recent and worrying problem the last 2-3 weeks and b) he knew we wouldn't win without him getting going so as any player in his position would do, he tried to force himself into the game and get going.
BTW, it wouldn't be all that uncommon for the 1st and 2nd options on a team to force it a bit and try to get going when the 3rd option is busy putting up 38 points.
Umm ... Jimmer?
Ok,..and which point guard would that be..Which team is willing to trade a point guard that Would be upgrade.,?in the league?
obviously if we were to move IT one of the things coming back would have to be a PG
Ok,..and which point guard would that be..Which team is willing to trade a point guard that Would be upgrade.,?
Ok,..and which point guard would that be..Which team is willing to trade a point guard that Would be upgrade.,?
Honestly I have never seen a group of fans fight among them selves as much as we do...sure we haven't had a good team in a long time and everyone is frustrated but as of right now we have a starting five to build around. The season is already lost.. Why bring other players in and start all over again? Next season will speak volumes to the type of coach we have..we certain have enough to be above .500 next season. I think we have a center that can go down as one of the best ever and a 5,9 point that can change one o the game biggest stereotype.
Then you obviously weren't here for the C-Webb v. Peja days.
the Peja fans were dead wrong then too.
people import a lot of irrelevant stuff into their assessments of basketball players, and it inevitably taints realistic analysis. Whether you like a guy or don't, whether he went to your school, hails from your home country, is your height, has a great smile, gives you the time of day, is cute, or has a great story is totally and completely irrelevant once he has to step in between those lines. That's the crucible.
While there are multiple factors to why we lost this game the most alarming one is yet to be discuss. It's understandable for players such as Cousin and Gay to have off nights but the most alarming thing was the demeanor of Gay..seems like he was intimidated by Durante and didn't want to play.. That's the first time I have ever seen a player get tossed like that..looks intentional
Lebron/Durant and especially Kobe go up over 2-3 defenders all the time, especially when within 5ft of the hoop.
What are we even talking about here? Every All Star level player forces it at times over multiple defenders. A reason for that is an All Star level player sees more attention and double/triple coverage than role players. Did Cuz force it at times? Yes. Is he good enough to still make plays and/or score over double/triple coverage? Yes. Not tonight though. And Isaiah had a good shooting night, but Cuz was also likely forcing it because a) he wasn't getting the ball where he operates best which is a recent and worrying problem the last 2-3 weeks and b) he knew we wouldn't win without him getting going so as any player in his position would do, he tried to force himself into the game and get going.
BTW, it wouldn't be all that uncommon for the 1st and 2nd options on a team to force it a bit and try to get going when the 3rd option is busy putting up 38 points. And that's a problem, the guy who's responsible for setting up our top two players once again led the team in FGA's when his main responsibility is getting Cuz/Rudy going. And yes IT was hot at times, but he also took a number of poor shots, some of which he hit.
u! So when was the last time a player got ejected on back to back techs during a dead ball?Is this your first week watching basketball or something? Dudes get ejected all the time.
This comes off sounding like muckraking for the sake of causing commotion. Sometimes, a pumpkin is just a pumpkin.
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u! So when was the last time a player got ejected on back to back techs during a dead ball?
Lebron/Durant and especially Kobe go up over 2-3 defenders all the time, especially when within 5ft of the hoop.
What are we even talking about here? Every All Star level player forces it at times over multiple defenders. A reason for that is an All Star level player sees more attention and double/triple coverage than role players. Did Cuz force it at times? Yes. Is he good enough to still make plays and/or score over double/triple coverage? Yes. Not tonight though. And Isaiah had a good shooting night, but Cuz was also likely forcing it because a) he wasn't getting the ball where he operates best which is a recent and worrying problem the last 2-3 weeks and b) he knew we wouldn't win without him getting going so as any player in his position would do, he tried to force himself into the game and get going.
BTW, it wouldn't be all that uncommon for the 1st and 2nd options on a team to force it a bit and try to get going when the 3rd option is busy putting up 38 points. And that's a problem, the guy who's responsible for setting up our top two players once again led the team in FGA's when his main responsibility is getting Cuz/Rudy going. And yes IT was hot at times, but he also took a number of poor shots, some of which he hit.
Rasheed WallaceIt happens more often than you would think. If a guy gets T-ed up and keeps arguing, the refs'll likely give him a shorter leash when it comes to the second. If he keeps yapping, he's gone. I know Demarcus has had this happen to him a few times in the past couple seasons. Back in the glory days, I seem to remember Brad Miller getting the good ol' gentleman's ejection a few times
Rasheed Wallace
Ok,..and which point guard would that be..Which team is willing to trade a point guard that Would be upgrade.,?
It takes a rare bird to spin 38 points on 18 shots into the reason other players stunk. I don't care if it's Chuck Hayes scoring at that rate. When a player is that on, you get out of the way
isaiah thomas scored 38 points on 18 shots. it was a great game for isaiah thomas. isaiah thomas played really well, yet the kings lost the game. it was on the road against an elite western conference squad, so i wouldn't put too much stock in this particular loss, but the kings continue to lose games in spite of isaiah thomas' statistical excellence. they've won a few in recent memory, and that's been nice, but they've lost far more. it was the same argument when the team's core configuration consisted of cousins/evans/thomas. many around these parts considered evans' individual performances to be "empty" feats. after all, the kings were losers then, too. the new regime ditched tyreke, and that was their prerogative. now the configuration is cousins/gay/thomas, and the kings' problems remain largely unchanged: too many ball dominant scorers, not nearly enough defensive talent...
now, one is tempted to claim that this team hasn't had enough time together since the rudy gay trade to determine just how effective a configuration of cousins/gay/thomas will be across the long term. the trouble is that the kings simply do not have a lot of time to determine if isaiah thomas' statistical value will ever help this team generate wins over the course of a second contract. questions abound: how problematic is IT's porous defense, really? would a rim protector be enough to cover for those glaring defensive weaknesses in IT's game? does the act of the kings' starting point guard "getting his" on offense harm the team at large? will IT be consistently willing to sacrifice his own offense for the good of the team?
i have my suspicions, as well as my personal opinion of how those questions should be answered, but the evaluative time table for isaiah thomas remains the same regardless of what one thinks of thomas' value to the team. he's either re-signed to a long term deal in the offseason, or he's traded before the deadline in february. there's the outside chance that the new regime executes a sign-and-trade of thomas in the offseason, as they did with evans, but it's hard to bargain from a position of power in those situations. i suppose the team could just let IT walk for nothing, but that's not exactly a smart use of their assets. so what do they do? accept 38-point nights from thomas that result in a loss? continue to hope he can become a more consistent playmaker as a point guard? trade him while his value remains tremendously high? just wait it out and hope that they don't have to throw too much money at a player who may only top out as this particular team's sixth man?
i really don't know what PDA is thinking; he hasn't had much to say on the subject of isaiah thomas' future. what i do know is that i'm not fond of a starting lineup that features three 20 ppg scorers who aren't particularly skilled defenders. i like isaiah thomas as a sixth man on a kings team that features demarcus cousins and rudy gay, but i don't like the idea of paying thomas $8 million per to come off the bench. IT's biggest fans can ask why some of us just can't appreciate a great game from their favorite player, but i guess that i'm not thinking about the importance of one more loss; i'm thinking about this team's chances of making the playoffs next season in a brutally tough western conference, and i just don't see it happening with isaiah thomas in the starting lineup, 38-point explosions or not...
We also lose games, despite Cousins and Gay statistical excellence. I know I've discussed this with you before, but our role guys aren't right for an IT-Gay-Cousins trio to show its true effectiveness. After all, they've essentially been on par with Bron/Wade/Bosh offensively since they've been together. That's damn impressive, any way you shake it. While none are great defenders, I think you can still build a fine defense if you get the right SG/PF and role guys around them.
I guess I just find it interesting that IT's game is brushed off, because we lost, and Cousins game vs the Pacers is praised because he was the only one to show up in that game. Because Boogie is the franchise player? He's the only one who gets to be praised in a losing effort? I don't know.
Also, you're more than welcome to think about the future. I do as well. That doesn't stop me from appreciating a great effort from one of our guys. Just like I do for anyone else on the team when they have a great game. I also find it ridiculous that this thread started off with anyone who gave IT a compliment being called a "fanboy."
I also don't appreciate being compared with Jerry Reynolds because I simply mentioned IT dropped 38 after checking the box-score. A Sacramento King player had a great game. Anyone who shows appreciation for that should not be ridiculed for doing so.