[Grades] Grades v. Thunder 01/25/2013

Who'd you legitimately expect more out of tonight?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 16 66.7%
  • Reke

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • IT

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Jimmer

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Robinson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
K, if you are just coming by and seeing the score and thinking ok, maybe a good game...just leave it at that. Do not go back and watch it on replay. Do not explore the boxscore. Just go with "maybe a good game'. You'll be happier. Maybe watch the first 8 min, then turn it off. For the rest of us...this was not as close as the boxscore made it look.

John fell asleep.
JT lost his composure.
Boogie reverted to Bad Boogie, and I may have to take back over grading him since he was doing great while I was grading him but has responded badly to new handlers.
Reke was just off. The layups. The passes. just off.
IT was very explicitly 5'9".
Jimmer...let's not talk about Jimmer.

You get the idea. Somehow after the fun dynamic start the whole team jsut looked compeltely out of rhythm. Uglified. Nothing was in rhythm. Nothing pretty.

The one and only solace for those who have to watch these things, no matter the final score, is...Girls. Newly reloaded and ready to go. Ah well. Let's get to it.

Boxscore

Stats: 28min 5pts (2-5, 1-2, 0-0) 8reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Salmons ( C- ) -- it was never going to go well for John tonight for obvious reasons -- their guy is just much better than our guy at thi sposition, and much MUCH bigger. But while last time out against OKC John was a bug on the Durant windshield, nothcing 3pts on 1-7 shooting, this time he did just afew little things before beginngin to look helpless and pointless out there. Got off to a good start along with the rest of the team, and had all of his points (5! woot!) in the early going wiht a spot up three on the kick from Cuz, and a strong rebound and coast to coast drive. And the rebounding would be the big poitive note ont he evening. John grabbed 8, which is practically a month's worth of boards for the glassless man, and a few of them were even of the strong/fought for them variety. So there was something. Now unfortunately he started missing his shots, and more unfortunately, even his defense disappeared as he just seemingly fell asleep, getting beat on backdoor cuts, caught on screens, and of course just shot over. He was more invisible than the terrible of some of his teammates, but despite my general instinct to reward the baordwork, I can't sit here and say he had even an average game, and we of course got killed at his postion. --Brick
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Susan Ward -- ftw!

Stats: 33min 14pts (5-11, 0-0, 4-8) 5reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Thompson ( B- ) -- got off to his best start in a long time i this one, was active on both ends of the court. he was back to being efficient with little postups, follows, and setups by teammates, and once scooped up a steal on top on a hustle play and went the full length of the court for the dunk. But as things began to fall apart, so did Jason, and he lost his compsure completely in the third. Got a lot of minutes at backup center this time as we finally, belatedly, and unfortunately given the result maybe just for the one game, went ot more of a 3-big rotation and kept some size on the floor for most of the game. But for all the early surge in his offensive game, Jason still wasn't boarding, got several of his shots blocked, and aside from being tall wasn't making much of an impact in there after the early going.--Brick
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India Eisley

Stats: 32min 14pts (6-16, 0-0, 2-3) 8reb 2ast 3stl 0blk 7TO
Cousins ( D- ) -- Our best player came into a game against one of the top teams in the league and put in a damned lackluster effort. Is it any wonder we lost? Cuz was passing well early, finding Tyreke for a missed layup and hitting Salmons for a 3, but didn't share the ball terribly well after that. But it wasn't just the not sharing the ball (as the first quarter began to elapse he had several possessions where he held the ball on the perimeter for half the shot clock only to take a jumper). He also spent far too little time in the post in favor of dangling on the perimeter (often the last player up the floor and sometimes not even into the offense by the time the team decided on a shot) to be effective tonight. He committed two bad turnovers in the second quarter (one double dribble, one inbounding violation) just as the momentum was beginning to swing against us. Once the second half started, we were stuck with "Bad Boogie" out there - his body language was terrible, his effort went down and we were sunk. The third quarter was the sort of thing that Stephen King would shudder to write - four turnovers (two on the pass, one on the dribble, one on a moving screen), a post move blocked by Durant, an out of control airball force in the lane, the failure to box out Thabo Sefolosha on a missed FT allowing an offensive rebound, AND a blown alley-oop? I don't care how bad the pass was, by the time DMC was benched at the 3 minute mark it was more euthanasia than breather, and the game was definitively over. For reasons known only to the mastermind that is Keith Smart, Cuz came back in for four minutes in the fourth. These were the best minutes of the game, not because he played well but because he didn't get injured. On the rebounding side, Cuz didn't redeem himself tonight. He was rarely in position for the offensive rebound due to being outside of the three point line, and can you honestly applaud an 8-rebound game for him, knowing what he OUGHT to do out there? His defense didn't really bring his grade up, either. Of course, it was the Thunder, which means that DMC's man (usually Perkins or Collison) isn't going to be attacking him very often - it's the perimeter guys who are going to do the damage. Sure enough, Cuz allowed 4 points on 3 shots for his own man, and was forced to spend all of his defensive effort helping when other guys lost their man, both in the paint and from time to time on the perimeter. I counted seven times that he picked up somebody else's man and forced the pass, which is probably the best thing he did all night. But when the perimeter players did attack him, they did it to the tune of 15 points on 8 shots. Of course, when you're getting attacked by Durant and Westbrook, you're never going to look very good. --Capt.
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Emmanuelle Vaugier

Stats: 32min 16pts (6-11, 1-1, 3-4) 4reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Evans ( C+ ) -- Tough night to grade. Evans did a lot of things right, including playing great defense on Westbrook in the first half. His first basket was a 3 pt'er. He followed it with a great defensive stop on Westbrook who was driving to the basket. Next trip down the floor, Westbrook slipped behind Tryeke for a layup.. Tyreke then missed an easy layup in traffic down the lane. He followed that with a spectacular finish at the basket in heavy traffic. After sitting on the bench for most of the 2nd quarter, he re-entered the game and was called for a BS foul on Durant. In the second half, he started by missing a 15 footer on a nice pass from Cuz. I could go on and describe every detail, but the truth is, most of his scoring in the second half, came when the game was out of sight. Overall, his stats, 32 minutes, 16 pts on 6 of 11 shooting, and 1 for 1 from the 3 pt line, along with 4 boards, 3 assists, and 1 steal, doesnt' sound too bad. It almost sounds like a B, but if you just watched the game, without keeping track of his numbers, nothing leaped out at you. On the whole, he was one of the better players tonight. Unfortunately he didn't have a lot of help. --Baja
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Mircea Monroe

Stats: 22min 7pts (2-5, 0-2, 3-3) 0reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( D ) -- like many members of the team, had his best play of the night in the very early going as he started the game off with a nice wraparound pass to Cuz for a +1 in the opening minutes. It would be his only assist. for the first half of the first quarter you would have styled IT as staying out of the way. He had the one nice pass, didn't do much else, but wasn't disrupting anybody else either, and despite the comedy of hiding out 5'9" PG on their 6'7" SG (Thabo) we weren't gettin hurt by the matchup. The first signs of toruble began when the Thunder swapped their new 6th man, some skinny guy named Kevin, in for Thabo. Thabo is not an offensive player. The scrawny guy is. We started having problems defending. But that would be nothing compared to the third, when our brilliant coach struck again. So let's see, we get off to a great start to this game hiding little IT on big but offensively impotent Thabo, while letting Reke disrupt Westbrook. So after the wheels fall off in the second quarter, we come out to start the thrid...with IT now guarding Westbrook, while Reke is wasted on Thabo. We'll get to those results in a minute. On offense we were compeltely flailing by that point, IT was able to do nothing to get us into a rhythm. But he did squirt in for several baskets of his own of the wth I'll just do it mysellf variety. There was some effort there, and he drew an offensive foul on Westbrook, and pikced off an open court pass as well. Unfortunately the effort was attached to a 5'9" guy, and the Thunder became the latest team to take clear advantage of it as Westbrook just got physical and aggressive and drove IT from the game wiht a series of dives and postups directly aimied at the size issue, which IT could only counter by fouling., And fouling. And finally picking up his 5th foul by the mdi quarter. And he was done. Evne added a technical foul from the bench as a cherry. but really, that was not particularly IT's fault. We have seen int he past that Isaia Thomas can NOT guard Russel Westbrook Ever. We knew that to start the game, set up our defense to hide that matchup, and it went well. Then we start the third..and what the bhell happened Coach "Smart"? The result was inevitable from that point onward.--Brick
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Ming Na
 
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Bench

Stats: 17min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Robinson ( D ) -- After a really nice outing last game, Robinson had a lot of expectations to live up to. Didn't happen. Part of that was because JT had such a great first half that Robinson hardly saw the floor, but part of that was that Robinson didn't really bring the effort that he showed last game. As always, he usually found a way to get into good offensive rebounding position (today resulting in zero offensive rebounds), but I wasn't a fan of much else. He only managed two buckets, one a shooter's roll on a contested jumper in the lane that probably should have been an uncontested jumper from 12 instead, and the other on a fast break dunk. His miss on a good alley-oop pass from Tyreke turned out to be the capper on the evening. On defense, he didn't seem to bring the energy he could have. As was the case with Cousins, his own man didn't attack him much on defense (4 points on 3 shots), but he didn't help out much, notably allowing Kevin Martin to get right to the hoop on a cut (only to miss a layup) and turning his back on Reggie Jackson as he drove the lane in transition for an easy dunk. Overall his help was poor enough to allow 8 points on 5 shots. Oddly enough, for several minutes in the second quarter (you know, when the game was still being contested) he was deliberately matched up on Kevin Durant. He didn't do much to stop Durant, but it really could have turned out a lot worse, so there's that. --Capt.
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Olga Kurylenko

Stats: 18min 4pts (2-8, 2-3, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( D+ ) -- Jimmer started the second quarter along with Thornton. He only had 1 assist in the game but should have had more. He made a nice pass to Thornton in the corner, but he missed. He followed that with another nice pass to JT at the top of the key, who also missed. He pulled up at 18 feet for a shot, which rimmed out. He then made another nice pass after driveing into the lane to Thornton for a 3 pt'er. He had a strange sequence where he pulled up in the lane for shot, missed, and got his own rebound, and then missed again. He closed out his time in the 1st half by missing a 3 pt'er. In the second half, things went better for Jimmer. In one sequence he tipped away a pass creating a turnover that led to a fast break and a score. He hit two 3 pt'ers in the second half, but the game was already out of sight by then. He hit one final shot, but the ref's said his foot was on the line. All in all, he didn't play badly, and seemed to run the team OK, and if his shots had been falling, he might have gotten a C. But they didn't. --Baja
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Tanya Reichert

Stats: 25min 13pts (4-8, 3-5, 2-2) 2reb 0ast 4stl 0blk 2TO
Thornton ( C ) -- Marcus started the second quarter with a shot from the right wing and he was fouled. he made both freethrows. He followed with a 3 pt'er off a nice pass from Jimmer. As is his usual, he then forced a pull up and missed. He hit a 3 pt'er on a pass from Cuz. Playing very aggressive defense, he stole the inbound pass, but then gave it right back. With 2:03 left in the first half, he hit a quick 3. He closed the half by missing a 3 pt'er from the left corner. In the second half, he really didn't do that much. Didn't play badly, but was just invisible at times. He did hit a couple of shots late in the 4th quarter, but at that point, they were meaningless. He had 4 steals in the game, and was 4 of 8 overall and 3 for 5 from beyond the arc. I thought he played well, but not great. --Baja
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Nicole Gale Anderson

Stats: 19min 6pts (3-7, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 4ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Johnson ( C ) -- more messy dynacism. Hard to grade. Hard to know what to do with him as a coach. Gave us another boost defeinsiely in the early going, and I would say it feels like a good defensive coach could give him displine and make him consistent, except that Thibideau already tried that and got tired of him and dumped him. But for us, he's what we have, wild or not, and he came in, challenged Kevin on defense, saved a sure hoop with a nice help block and generally motored around the court. Until the end of the game he was largely in all drive al the time mode, and as usual it looke dliek he could get within the region of the hoop with relative ease. Wehther he was going to finish or mnake a good decision once he did was another question. Got a nice dunk on a backdoor cut when trob found him, and set up our guards for jumpers with his own passes. But kept on forcing drives into the defense, and late in the game radnomly pulled up and forced a jumper off his dribble for no other reason than he felt like doing it. There's always energy here, its just always such a mess I don't know how you corral it into something useful. --Brick
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Rachel Weisz

Stats: 15min 10pts (4-10, 1-2, 1-1) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Outlaw ( C ) -- Once the Thunder had closed us out, Travis got the opportunity to play the last 15 minutes, and he played a minor part in keeping the blowout from becoming a double blowout. He was active, if nothing else, getting to a couple of Kings misses (one for a dunk, one for a basket interference) and throwing down a monster jam over The Gambit. Take that, Tanzania! Still, outside of his two dunks he went a whole 2-for-8, so it's hard to say he had a good game on that side. He did play pretty good D. The Thunder didn't attack him at all, only attempting one shot over him (a missed Durant 3) and getting nothing more than two free throws on a foul to stop a fast break. Maybe had he played the important minutes his D might have been useful, but as it turned out it was just a nice workout at the local gym for Travis tonight. --Capt.
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Milla Jovovich
 
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lets just face the reality. this team is going to be very bad for the remainder of the year due to the fact that the ownership of the franchise is in limbo and no changes will be made.

we just have to get through it and know that Keith Smarts days are numbered with new ownership on the horizon
 
Let's look on the brightside. We were 4.5 games out of an 8 seed 40+ games in. That's got to count for something right?
 
who are the 3 people that expected more from IT? the guy is just not a NBA caliber starting point guard. the sooner the organization realizes that the better
 
besides his first 4 missed shots I actually thought Jimmer did decent tonight. He should have had at least 3 more assists when guys missed wide open shots. Maybe he looked decent too because Im getting tired of watching IT sprint up the floor and run into like 4 guys then fall over and have a fast break on the other end.
 
While the Kings are certainly lacking in a lot of area's such as coaching, poor defense, team that doesn't fit together I over these 40 odd games have seen that our biggest problem is lack of a NBA starting level PG. Ethier Tyreke gets moved over to PG or we trade Thornton + others for a Goran Dragic level type PG. Thomas is playing mins he shouldn't be getting same with Salmons but I much rather get a decent PG before we get a decent SF.

To often our PG's miss our bigs and cause them to become dis-interested and play some of the worst defense I have ever seen at the PG spot. We have no one to run the team and this is the biggest area of improvement we have to work on. Give me Jamal Tinsley over any of the PG's we got any day of the week.
 
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Thought Jimmer threw some nice passes in there early, the shots just didn't fall (by the people he hit) sadly his shot wasn't falling early either.

he does see the floor very well though.

Otherwise i thought the refs had a really really bad game.
 
It was men vs boys tonight. Makes me sad to think of how far away we are from being at the level OKC is. Also, can somebody please tell me why we traded KMart again? We ultimately ended up with MT, right? KMart >>>> MT
 
Smart only played 10 guys! That has to be around a B grade!

IT was frustrated this game, and generally acted as a little yapper dog against Westbrook and the officials. T, for being put on timeout after his 5th foul.
The whole team played poorly, with untimely stupid fouls and bad decisions. F
Thornton remains the grumpiest, angriest looking player I have ever seen under every single game circumstance. A+
Chuck Hayes, Fran, and Brooks had a great night on the bench, they warmed their seats like professionals and lazily rose for timeouts. A+
 
Outlaw gets an A !!!

Just for doing this to Bricks boy !

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-Smart F
-Why so many ISO from JJ?
-Starting line up should be Reke, Cisco, Salmon, JT and Cuz
let Reke at least try to D up Westbrook, let Cisco to space the floor and tracing Sefolosha around, Salmon help to bring the ball up and let KD beat us.
-I think Reke no longer care about Smart
-I felt sick everytime I see Westbrook or Sefolosha post up IT
 
Ah Rachel Weisz. A college girlfriend of mine reminds me of her.

...what went wrong?!
 
Ah Rachel Weisz. A college girlfriend of mine reminds me of her.

...what went wrong?!



Hmm...this is her husband:
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Might have something to do wiht why it didn't work out? :p


P.S. this will also have to serve as the designated Hot Guy of the thread, since I forgot to include one above.
 
-Smart F
-Why so many ISO from JJ?
-Starting line up should be Reke, Cisco, Salmon, JT and Cuz
let Reke at least try to D up Westbrook, let Cisco to space the floor and tracing Sefolosha around, Salmon help to bring the ball up and let KD beat us.
-I think Reke no longer care about Smart
-I felt sick everytime I see Westbrook or Sefolosha post up IT
When we are playing against big guards we should do as you say, start Salmons at SF, Evans at SF, Garcia at SF, Thompson and Cousins. Bring the ball up by committee and defend the hell out of whoever is in front of them. Lose, lose, lose maybe but hold them to 83 points.
 
IT went out with 5 fouls with the team down by 11, the score 70-59 and 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. With 1 minute 30 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, the score was 86-61. A 25 point collapse. In 4.5 minutes the Thunder expanded their lead by 14 points. They never looked back. If IT is that bad and Tyreke (his replacement) is that great, wouldn't you expect just the opposite? Wouldn't you expect for the Thunder's margin to decrease rather than increase?
 
IT went out with 5 fouls with the team down by 11, the score 70-59 and 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. With 1 minute 30 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, the score was 86-61. A 25 point collapse. In 4.5 minutes the Thunder expanded their lead by 14 points. They never looked back. If IT is that bad and Tyreke (his replacement) is that great, wouldn't you expect just the opposite? Wouldn't you expect for the Thunder's margin to decrease rather than increase?

So your suggesting that if IT hadn't left the game, we would have had a better outcome? Why preytell? He had done nothing in the game to make me think that his presence on the court, or lack thereof, was a difference maker. In the first quarter, he got to guard Thabo, who isn't that much of an offensive threat, and Tyreke guarded Westbrook. And Tyreke did a dammed good job on Westbrook. The problem occurred when Martim came into the game for Thabo. IT couldn't guard Martin, and there were times when he didn't even look like he was trying, while Martin torched us over and over again. He had 1 assist in the entire game, and he got that assist about 1 minute into the first quarter. Just what the hell was he doing the rest of the game?

Look, I've got nothing against IT. But sometimes a player just doesn't play well, whether it be the matchup, or he just got up on the wrong side of the bed. For IT, last night was one of those games.
 
IT went out with 5 fouls with the team down by 11, the score 70-59 and 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. With 1 minute 30 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, the score was 86-61. A 25 point collapse. In 4.5 minutes the Thunder expanded their lead by 14 points. They never looked back. If IT is that bad and Tyreke (his replacement) is that great, wouldn't you expect just the opposite? Wouldn't you expect for the Thunder's margin to decrease rather than increase?

Wow. The sheer ignorance in this post is too damn high. Your love for IT has clouded your ability to be objective. Oh, maybe IT picking up so many fouls in the 3rd help put the Thunder in the penalty? Maybe it allowed the Thunder to start gaining even more momentum? And that's just on the defensive end - I don't know what you saw from IT on offense that could possibly make you think that he played well or better than any of the others. On one possession he just dribbled it up the court, drove inside, backed out to the 3 point line and chucked up a 3. Didn't even pass the ball a single time, and you call this guy our PG that gets others involved. And it's not a one-off thing, he does it every single game.
 
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