[Grades] Grades v. Suns 1/23/2013

Who's turnovers made you slap you head the hardest?

  • Cousins

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Evans

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Robinson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Brooks

    Votes: 16 55.2%
  • Johnson

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Now is the winter of our discontent...

Bad loss. Completely unnecessary loss. Did not help we were playing 8-5 as I rarely complain about refs, but these guys were carrying white canes, and mostly in one direction. Hey ****heads! The Maloofs are gone, no need to keep screwing us over!

But we gave the refs plenty of help sinking our boat by throwing the ball all over the court, getting out of rhythm. IT was godawful. Brooks tried to be worse. Cousins seemed to regress to Bad Boogiehood. Half our guys were very good, for a bit. Half very bad. But the bad seemed to pull the good dowin into their morass ratehr than the other way around. Meanwhile the coach still can't manage rotations. Just all self inflicted wounds. A lack of discipline and eventually focus. And if that sounds like I'm not giving the Suns credit, I'm not. They just took what we gave them on a platter. They weren't good so much as we were just totally unnecessarily bad. Pfft.

Well, we try to keep the light on around here and entertain. So we'll theme it with soomething suggested yesterday and go with Whales as a theme.

The Grading Consortium is back. We've swapped some duties around for this one. As usual,

The Grading Consortium is:
Bricklayer
Bajaden
Capt. Factorial



Boxscore

Stats: 31min 6pts (2-2, 0-0, 2-6) 2reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 0TO
Salmons ( D+ ) -- well, at least the didn't turn it over. Of course he didn't do anything else either, but on a night when the team was playing dodgeball with fans in the 5th row all night, at least John managed to hold onto the ball. The few times he got it. With IT, Reke and Cousins all needing it, John was largely uninvolved. He got both his hoops in the later stages of the first, played 20 minutes afterwards and did nothing except brick a bunch of FTs as he was inexplicably off at the line. His defense was on and off, but there was nobody to guard anyway. One play he'd stay right in fornt, the next he'd get scaprd on a screen and the guy would be into the paint. And there was no depth or roundedness ot his game at all. Without the ball you aren't going to make much of an impact as a passer, and I am so completley over John's nightly 2 rebound in 30+min games. He looks like a seal out there, standing flat ont he ground flippers wide waitng for the fish to come to him rather than going after it. We are one of the league's worst rebounding teams, losing the nightly board battle by 3-4 a night. And we lose the nightly SF board battle by 3-4 a night. You do the math. Without the passing/defense intangibles I'm not inclined to buoy this grade up. Some advanced stat geek will try to convince you 2-2 is an efficient night. I just call it invisible. --Brick
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Dwarf Sperm Whale -- the world's smallest species of whale, these were once mistaken for baby sperm whales, but are in fact their own subsepecies with only grows to about 9 feet long.

Stats: 10min 4pts (2-6, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( D ) -- I retained JT as one of my grades figuring that he would be a major participant. He was not. After a quick little layup from IT to beging things on offense, from the start on the other side of the ball was being outsaavied by Scola, which if memory serves has been a constant in their matchups over the years. And he quickly got himself into major foul trouble, and was out of the game with 3 fouls by the mid quarter. With TRob having the best game of his career, JT never returned before half. He got the starting call after the break, quickly hit a jumper, but missed 2 more, redisappeared, and while Scola wasn't killing him out there in the 3rd, our lead was dwindling, and TRob had finally had a game where he made a case for himself. So Jason was gone by the middle of the quarter, and he never returned, playing only 10min on the night. To the degree he was ever missed it would only be because our coach's rotations remain idiotic. --Brick
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Blue whale -- and of course if you go the other way, its well known that the Blue Whale is the largest whale, largest mammal, and indeed likely largest creature to ever swim the earth. Some fun stats: the biggest ones can reach over 100 fee long. A basketball court is only 94 feet long. They can weigh up to 200 tons, which is to say more than 2500 average sized humans. Their hearts are roughly the size and weight of a mini-cooper, but beat only 5-6 times a minute. They can eat up to 8000lbs of food (krill --small shrimplike creatures) a day, with a daily caloric requirement of 1.5million calores a day. Million. Which BTW is why there aren't more giant species running about.

Stats: 37min 15pts (7-18, 1-1, 0-0) 15reb 5ast 2stl 1blk 6TO
Cousins ( C- ) -- I hate to give a grade this low when he was dominating on the boards, but the problem is that rebounding was about the only thing he did up to par tonight. He was always looking to box out, and if the ball was in the air you knew where to find him - between the basket and either Gortat or Scola. Early in the third he set himself up in perfect position in the paint right as JT took a long jumper and not only got an offensive rebound you could see coming three full seconds before it happened, but also drew the fourth foul on Scola, sitting him down for a while. Boogie had a decent quarter offensively in the first, passing the ball well both from the low and high post and outside of a missed jumper that was a bit deep, generally made good decisions on offense even though he spent a lot of time looking for his own shot and nearly half of his seven points came on a buzzer 3. In the second quarter, things started going a bit downhill as Cousins committed a turnover playing point-center and then nearly threw the ball away on a break shortly thereafter. In the third quarter, had a highlight dunk taking Gortat to the rim that led to a Phoenix timeout, but it was mostly downhill from there. He got blocked by Morris, he committed a foul trying to back Gortat down, and he let IT's pass at the end of the third go right through the five-hole for a 24-second violation. He did find T-Rob for a dunk while tightroping the baseline early in the fourth, but had the ball stolen twice in the high post and managed nothing more than two missed jumpers in the quarter that lost the game for us. Defensively, DMC was pretty bad tonight. Though it's a lot harder to assign shots against with crowds in the paint, by my count Cousins allowed a total of 22 points on 14 shots. The interesting thing is that the Suns only tried to score on him once with their back to the basket, when he forced Gortat under the rim into Tyreke's shot block. Everything else was either jumpers (Scola's was absolutely wet tonight) or face-up attacks on the basket. It was noticeable that Cuz did a pretty good job on helping on the perimeter, but generally seemed to have a problem correctly reacting to situations when he was needed to help in the paint. On a lighter note, his Headband Foul Indicator was in full effect tonight with Cousins pointing at his headband twice (once when it was on the floor) to indicate to the refs that he was hit in the head. Didn't help. Also, since when is immediately passing a ball that came through the rim to the baseline ref a delay of game? Seriously, refs? --Capt.
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Oldest Whale -- of course its hard to get a clean read on how old whales can get because they are plagued by some pathetic species of barbaric primate that has butchered the hell out of them. The oldest are thought though to be the bowhead whales of the artic ocean, which might reach 200yrs of age if we would just leave them the **** alone. The 130yr old harpoon above was found embedded in the shoulder of one that was killed in a "traditional hunt" by eskimos in 2007. Gotta love human traditions that kill 130+yr old animals. Maybe we can have a traditional giant sequioia chopping next week.

Stats: 33min 16pts (6-14, 1-1, 3-4) 6reb 4ast 2stl 1blk 3TO
Evans ( B ) -- After the first half, I though Tyreke was on his way to an A. He had a very good first quarter, which he started off making a nice cut to the basket off a give and go where he missed a reverse layup, but then stole the ball back and layed it in. a few minutes later he drove to the basket, was tripped and earned a trip to the line where he made both freethrows. He made a bad pass on an outlet, but made up for it on the other end by knocking the ball out of Scola's hands and off his body for a turnover. One of his best plays of the night was catching a long outlet pass from JT that was behind him and kissing the ball high off the glass for a basket. Add in a beautiful bounce pass to Cuz for an assist, and a drive to the basket against one defender for a score. He went to the bench with 1:31 left in the first, and re-entered with 4:17 left in the half. He played excellent defense on Telfair who missed his shot, and then is fouled by Telfair at the other end where he made 1 of 2 freethrows. He did blemish the half by driving into heavy traffic and throwing up a wild shot and missing, and also losing the ball out of bounds for a turnover. He started the second half by stealing the ball, and was fouled by Dudley in the open floor. He also had a spectualar finish at the basket off a pass from Cuz. Unfortunately he made a few bonehead plays. He overdribbled a few times, and drove into heavy traffic with nowhere to go. He did hit his only three of the night with 2:22 left in the game, but it was nothing more than the last gasp of air for the team. All in all, he played very well except for his shooting percentage. Hard to complain with 16 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 1 blocked shot from the SG position. Had he and Cousins been brought back sooner, who knows, we might have won the game. --Baja
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Whale ancestors -- whales can be traced back to an ancient class of small dog like creatures (actually a very distant relative of pigs) that prowled the riverbanks in what is now modern day Pakistan (the pic is of one called Ambulocetus). Over time they developed webbed feet as they increasingly hunted in the water, grew larger and more water specialized (eventually resembling seals at one stage), and eventually moved on down the rivers and into the open sea. 50 million years later you have a 200ton blue whale.
 
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Stats: 29min 6pts (2-10, 0-2, 2-2) 0reb 7ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Thomas ( D- ) -- the statistical quirk of those 7 assists is basically the only thing preventing me from awarding an F on this particular grade. IT was simply ragged in almost every way right from the very start of the game. And I think ragged is the perfect word for it. There was just no rhythm or rhyme to it. He just made numerous bad plays, but they came in all shapes and sizes. A random bad pass, dribbling right into a guy's chest, a forced shot here, a missed wide open one there. Every once in a while he would make a pass to set up JT or Reke, but just nothing worked consistently and it was an active distraction to the other guys who were trying to settle in and play a game. That's where the temptation to F this one comes from -- IT was the PG, he dominated the ball, and he was bad at it which helped disrupt just everybody. On the other end Dragic did not dominate us, but he pretty much able to get wherever he wanted whenever he wanted to and shot or passed over IT whenever he wanted to. Didn't look like there was any plan on how to stop that form happening. Got an assist passing into Reke on the out of bounds play at the 1:30 mark, but when he missed a contested three he should not have taken -- seriously you are 5'9" double teamed by two 6'5" guys, what are you odds of getting off a good look? -- at the 1:00 mark it pretty much finsihed us. Just a very poor game in virtually all ways. --Brick
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Orcas -- did you know that Killer Whales are not really whales at all? Instead they are the largest member of the dolphin family, which split from the true whale family some 10 million years ago.

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Bench

Stats: 26min 12pts (6-9, 0-0, 0-2) 14reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Robinson ( B ) -- I was pretty happy to have this game from T-Rob be my first opportunity to grade him. He came in very early due to JT picking up three quick fouls and played with pure energy and heart from the get-go. He grabbed a career high in rebounds, largely because the Suns were having trouble keeping him boxed out. He just fought through it. And if playing within himself still means taking his defender to the basket three times (Scola on a crossover to the left, Luke Zeller to the left, Beasley to the right and stopping on a dime to draw the foul) then I'm all for Robinson playing within himself. Add to that two dunks and a great up fake that got his man in the air and allowed him to go to the other side of the rim for a layup and it's hard to imagine that this is the same player we were agonizing over being completely lost on the court just a month ago. Defensively, he was also pretty solid, and while he was only credited with one steal, I've got him down for two not counting a loose ball poked away by somebody else that he picked up and tossed to Thornton on the break for an and-1. In general, he was all over the place, which was good for other players who needed some help D, but also meant that he had a bit of a problem getting lost on his man (at least twice). In addition, he missed a rotation allowing Tucker to get to the rim and got caught on a down screen which gave Scola a baseline jumper with nobody within ten feet (maybe the only jumper Scola missed!) I'll forgive him the crazy 17-foot turnaround when he got switched off on Shannon Brown - that was exactly the shot you hoped he would force in that situation. And he stopped a Beasley drive in the paint once and stole the ball from Tucker on another drive. All told, he allowed something like 15 points on 14 shots but at least 7 of those were on jumpers and only two of them were getting dunked on by Beasley (said dunk apparently being revenge for T-Rob totally teabagging the Suns' Gatorade cooler trying to save an offensive rebound). A pretty promising showing, I'd say. --Capt.
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Leviathan -- in 2008 they discoverd fossils in Peru of a new class of whale, the Leviathan, an extinct class of Sperm whale with one critical difference -- sperm whales have teeth, but only on their lower jaw, and relatively small for their size (which is to say still huge). But the Leviathan had teeth on both upper and lower jaws, BIG teeth. The largest of its teeth were 1 foot long and 4 inches thick. This was the apex predator of apex predators in its day, and with a mouth designed for ripping and tearing, they think that it was a cannibal, making its meals off of giant baleen whales.

Stats: 15min 8pts (2-5, 1-4, 3-3) 0reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( C ) -- in at the end of the first. raced out on the break in the early 2nd and got a nice pass from TRob for the finish +1. Pulled up and pretty much airballed a three, but canned one a minute later from the corner on the catch and shoot. Really would like to see an assist or rebound sometime soon. Returned in the second half but did little other than pick up a couple of questinable fouls. Got some points finally, but really no particular impact and short minutes again, and only hit one of those threes as he chucked away. Leading scorer last year, to just a guy at this pont. In any normal organization that would spell trade of some sort, but of course we aren't normal at his point. --Brick
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Beaching -- to this day nobody is 100% sure why whales beach themselves, but why ever it is, its dumb. Not every whale species does it equally -- 10 major species, all deeper water whales, account for the vast majority of beachings -- basically the shallow water whales know better. Theories include fluxuations in the earth's magnetic fields confusing the whales, predators chasing them toward shore, sicknesses causing them to try to take refuge in shallow water. Once stranded they normally die of dehydration, or suffocatin as either their blowholes are covered or their body collapses out of the water. And since many of them are social species, its thought mass strandings may be caused by the other members of the pod refusing to abandon the orignial sick one/or lemming like leader. As I said, given that its near certain death, all pretty dumb -- if I'm a whale I am keeping it simple. Water good. Suntan bad.

Stats: 15min 8pts (2-3, 1-1, 3-4) 0reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 4TO
Brooks ( D+ ) -- I think anytime my PG has 1 assist and 4 turnovers, he's likely to get a D. He started the second quarter, and immediately turned the ball over twice. He really didn't do much of anything good in the second quarter. He managed to stop a fast break by intentionally fouling. He was fouled driving the left baseline, and made both freethrows. He then missed a tough shot at the basket, and that was about it. His second half appearance was better. He started by hitting a three from the top of the circle, and then made a nice runner in the lane. But he followed that by overdribbling and then losing the ball out of bounds. He did get his hand on the ball to create a jumpball with Beasley. I was surprised that Smart stayed with him so long into the 4th quarter, especially when he had played so badly in the 1st half. All in all, not a very good performance. --Baja
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Baleen -- in the end all whales are predators. There are no seaweed eating whales. Some, the toothed whales like the sperm whale predate i traditional land mammal familiar ways. They swim up and bite things. But many whales do it a different way. These whales are the baleen whales-- baleen basically being a natural fiter syustem they've developed in their mouths in lieu of teeth. Just like a pool filter it strains out small organisms from the water, and that's lunch. No teeth, just a big filter to catch shrimp and plankton in.

Stats: 11min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( D+) -- Played most of his minutes in the second quarter, where he was pretty good on the offensive end, setting good picks and making the smart pass (thank you, Chuck, for finally NOT trying to force it up under the basket with the taller guys around you!) However, we didn't use him to his best strength, which is giving him the ball in the high post and letting him find the cutter. Defensively he didn't get much done, allowing 6 points on three shots, though none of those were on post-ups. In the fourth, he came in briefly to spell Cousins when the game was going downhill, once leaving Scola wide open for a made jumper, seemingly preferring to collapse down to the paint even when his man has the ball on the perimeter. --Capt.
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Moby Dick 2010 -- apparently in 2010 the artistes over at the scifi channel created yet another masterpiece with their own unique version of Moby Dick (above clearly a Leviathan type sock pup...er...whale with the upper and lower sets of teeth, except the head does not look sperm whaley). I don't normally watch the Oscars, but I am sure it was nominated that year.
 
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Stats: 22min 14pts (6-9, 0-0, 2-3) 6reb 1ast 1stl 4blk 4TO
Johnson ( B+ ) -- played himself a heck of a second quarter again flashing what an impact guy he can be. Just so highly highly erratic. But during the second he was a force on both ends. Had a spin drive and finish soon after entering in the early 2nd, but Beasley scored right back at him. Played well, got a second score, and led the break and set up MT in the corner for a three. Main factor in pushing us back into it, and was making a difference on help defense. Late in the half for one of the rare times showed himself capable of workign with Cousins and Reke, stepping back and just getting himself oipen and letting them find him for layups and dunks on the break, including a little alley oop from Reke to end our first half scoring. Came back in to start the 4th and right back at it on defense, but lost control of Beasley as the quarter went along, lost his good focus and rhtyhm and began to pile up turnovers and forced shots trying to do too much. Then when Cousins and Reke returned, JJ took that as permission to force a drive attempt and travel. Know your betters damnit. Anyway, lots of big numbers, and an A or A+ first half with a not so A or A+ second half. If we win I might bump this half a grade. Sicne we lost, and lost inthe 4th with him on the court, I'll take that as an excuse to dump it back into the B's, helpd bakc again by losing his discipline and focus, as it always is with him. Wish you could jsut bottle the second quarter guy.--Brick

Stats: 7min 5pts (2-2, 1-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Outlaw ( B- ) -- Travis played pretty well in his limited minutes. His highlight was stepping in when the ball was knocked into the backcourt, and getting a steal and a breakaway. On defense, he was active, helping once by running at Scola to intimidate him into passing instead of taking an open jumper, and once committing a quick foul after a Boogie turnover to prevent transition. Dragic did take him to the hole one-on-one in transition, which was a bit disappointing. Overall allowed only those two points on two shots.

Stats: 4min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( INC ) --Jimmer only played a grand total of 4 minutes. He did make a nice runner in the lane and had one assist. He didn't do much of anything wrong, but didn't do much to impact the game either. He simply didn't play enough minutes to give him a grade. But hey, at least he played, and he didn't turn the ball over. Not many on the team that played could say that.
 
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Fully ready to see JJ and Trob in the starting lineup. They actually give a hoot on defense, they play with 100% effort and hustle, and are both starting to show really nice offensive moves.
 
Is it just me, or does anyone else on here think that, defensively, we settle way too much with giving the other team the jump shot? I mean, statistically, a player is more likely to miss a jumper than he is a driving layup and/or dunk. But, it seems like we love to just give an offensive player that jumper way too much which in turn eventually allows that shooter to find his touch.
 
what a freakin embarrassment. losing to the Suns at home.

Keith played 12 people before halftime, including Outlaw? freakin nice.

im also glad he put Brooks in there in the 4th to make sure the Suns took a nice lead.

JT continues to Suck

T-Rob looks great when on the floor with Cousins.
 
It is official: I think Keith Smart is trying to lose. No other explanation. He probably isnt but at least that would make sense.
 
It might have been the worst loss of the season. Just inexplicably bad turnovers. IT had his worst game of the year. Brooks looked a jv scrub. Cousins with 6 TOs is ridiculous. Thompson was the invisible man from the beginning; got just abused by Scola. Salmons also got the invisible potion from Thompson. TERRIBLE.

Robinson, however, was the bright spot. Just imagine what he can do when he polishes up some skills to go with the raw athleticism.
 
I think Smart got a lot of pouting in practice after tightening the rotation last couple of games and being sweetheart that he is coach just couldn't resist using all that talent.
Seems like starters and benchers played a game of "who gives up the ball more", and those pesky towel waivers showed they got game.
 
Smart was asked in the post-game press whether he could stretch out Cuz' and Tyreke's minutes, or if he's thought about it.. so that they aren't out such long stretches.

Smart, in disbelief, explains that they need breathers... and anything more they would be playing 42 minutes. "I'll have to study the tape tonight to see how I can do that."

Tyreke's minutes: 33.

This is an excerpt from Bill Simmons latest article that fits this coach to the T link

There are two types of coaches …

1. A coach who looks at his players and says, "How can I put these guys in the best position for them to succeed?"

2. A coach who looks at his players and says, "How can I use these guys to make my system succeed?"

Now, think about the mind-set driving Coach No. 2: He's basically saying, I'm here only because of my system. I can't actually coach. If you give me the wrong players for my system, it doesn't matter — I will keep using the system anyway, because Plan B would be coming up with a more inventive way to coach these guys. And I can't do that. I'm not good enough. So if it's OK with you, I'd like to go down in flames with my system.

Sorry if that has been posted elsewhere or is against forum rules to quote like that. Man, what a frustrating loss.
 
Smart was asked in the post-game press whether he could stretch out Cuz' and Tyreke's minutes, or if he's thought about it.. so that they aren't out such long stretches.

Smart, in disbelief, explains that they need breathers... and anything more they would be playing 42 minutes. "I'll have to study the tape tonight to see how I can do that."

Tyreke's minutes: 33.

This is an excerpt from Bill Simmons latest article that fits this coach to the T link



Sorry if that has been posted elsewhere or is against forum rules to quote like that. Man, what a frustrating loss.

i read that grantland story, and i have to quibble with your comparison a bit. simmons is, of course, talking about the ****show that is mike d'antoni's approach to coaching the lakers. d'antoni is foolishly slavish to his system, and it has only set back the potential chemistry of his team. but your comparison assumes that keith smart actually has a system that he remains steadfastly committed to. personally, i see no system. i see a coach perpetually grasping at straws...
 
I watched the first 3 quarters and we struggled but won by 3 points. What must have happened in the 4th? We lost that by a score of 32 to 19. I can't trust them to finish the game without me.
 
Smart was asked in the post-game press whether he could stretch out Cuz' and Tyreke's minutes, or if he's thought about it.. so that they aren't out such long stretches.

Smart, in disbelief, explains that they need breathers... and anything more they would be playing 42 minutes. "I'll have to study the tape tonight to see how I can do that."

Tyreke's minutes: 33.
A breather? Reke literally had enough time after being pulled in the 1st, to go to the Subway near Arco, order a footlong, sit down and eat it, and still get back to the bench before Smart finally decided to put him back.

How do you one night play a guy all 24 mins of the 2nd half and watch him help carry you to a win, but a week later act like 33 mins is pushing it and he needs 20+ min "breathers"? It's almost like Smart bases what mins a player can handle on what he himself is capable of on the treadmill each morning.
 
The delay of game for throwing the ball to the ref after a made basket was interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA starts mandating that the referees call that more often. This is something that DMC does all the time. If you think about it, it really does delay the game. When I played basketball competitively, I was always taught that the rule was you just leave the ball alone after a made basket. If you take the ball and pass it to the ref, who then takes it and passes it to the player waiting to inbound the ball you have effectively delayed the game. It makes it nearly impossible for the opposing team to quickly inbound the ball and get up the court quickly.

We'll see if the NBA continues to enforce this....
 
I think Smart got a lot of pouting in practice after tightening the rotation last couple of games and being sweetheart that he is coach just couldn't resist using all that talent.
Seems like starters and benchers played a game of "who gives up the ball more", and those pesky towel waivers showed they got game.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Smart simply isn't respected enough and doesn't have the balls to stick to a 8-9 man rotation and give big minutes to the core players. Playing 12 men in the first half last night is simply ridiculous. What he's done is basically pee off every single player on the team from the 1st guy to the last guy. Part of the problem is how this team was built. Too many of the same type of player (IT, Jimmer, Brooks, Thornton) and too many marginal NBA players who probably wouldn't get big minutes on a winning team (Salmons, Hayes, JT, Outlaw, Cisco).

We need a coach who can clearly explain what a player's role will be and stick with a 8-9 man rotation. Of course, this will never happen until the Magoofs are gone.
 
The delay of game for throwing the ball to the ref after a made basket was interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA starts mandating that the referees call that more often. This is something that DMC does all the time. If you think about it, it really does delay the game. When I played basketball competitively, I was always taught that the rule was you just leave the ball alone after a made basket. If you take the ball and pass it to the ref, who then takes it and passes it to the player waiting to inbound the ball you have effectively delayed the game. It makes it nearly impossible for the opposing team to quickly inbound the ball and get up the court quickly.

We'll see if the NBA continues to enforce this....

All the players and teams do it!!
 
The fourth quarter was really sad. Same old bugaboos. Turnovers, one on one offense, and weak defense. The Kings often have some good quarters, but struggle to play hard for a whole game even with 12 guys in the rotation. Beasley looks like an All-Pro player against the Kings. What was with all those wild passes on the break? It looked like a high school practice. It made me realize that many Kings' players really haven't figured how to fast break a slower team. Pushing the ball does not require risky passing.

Good to see T Robinson play more like he is capable of. Same with Johnson. It may be that the off court events have taken some pressure off of those two players.

Cousins has become a more solid player. He has won me over. The Kings rebounded the crap out of the ball last night. They just threw a lot of the reobounds away and played defense when they felt like it. Their 4th quarter offense has been in the doldrums a lot lately. Under duress they revert back to one pass and some bad one on one moves.

The worst form of delay of game, is the putting of the ball flat on the floor. I hate that. In pick-up games, I would pick up the ball and hit the guy that did it in the back with the ball.
 
All the players and teams do it!!

I have seen a lot of other players do it but I do believe that DMC does it a lot more than others. I'm wondering if the referees have been instructed to start cracking down on it. It's kind of a bush league move IMO.
 
The fourth quarter was really sad. Same old bugaboos. Turnovers, one on one offense, and weak defense. The Kings often have some good quarters, but struggle to play hard for a whole game even with 12 guys in the rotation. Beasley looks like an All-Pro player against the Kings. What was with all those wild passes on the break? It looked like a high school practice. It made me realize that many Kings' players really haven't figured how to fast break a slower team. Pushing the ball does not require risky passing.

Good to see T Robinson play more like he is capable of. Same with Johnson. It may be that the off court events have taken some pressure off of those two players.

Cousins has become a more solid player. He has won me over. The Kings rebounded the crap out of the ball last night. They just threw a lot of the reobounds away and played defense when they felt like it. Their 4th quarter offense has been in the doldrums a lot lately. Under duress they revert back to one pass and some bad one on one moves.

The worst form of delay of game, is the putting of the ball flat on the floor. I hate that. In pick-up games, I would pick up the ball and hit the guy that did it in the back with the ball.

I agree with this and that's why in my post I was saying even throwing the ball to the ref is a bush league move. It's just an annoying habit to get into. I'm surprised it's taken the league this long to start enforcing it.
 
You notice it on Cuz because he's in the paint more and going for rebounds.

Maybe, but why is it so hard to just let the ball go? Why does he (and other players) have to catch it out of the net and throw it to the referee? There is no need for it. I hope the league tells the refs to start calling delay of game warnings to any player who does that.
 
Have you maybe even considered it's because he does it a lot more than other players?

No. Shouldn't matter. Everyone does it. Intentionally. To slow the other team down. Why selectively enforce it on Boogie??? Asinine.
 
I see that ball to the ref thing sooooooooooooo much.

so much.

never seen a tech for it.


They don't T you for it. They give you a delay of game. First one is a warning. Second one is a T.

It needs to stop. Not just from DMC but from all players. It's a Bush League move.
 
Maybe, but why is it so hard to just let the ball go? Why does he (and other players) have to catch it out of the net and throw it to the referee? There is no need for it. I hope the league tells the refs to start calling delay of game warnings to any player who does that.

I have no problem with the ref's enforcing that rule, but if they're going to, then don't pick and choose who you'll enforce it against. I watch a lot of basketball, and I seldom, if ever, see that rule enforced. Maybe in Cousins case, its because he forcefully passed it directly to the ref, where in most cases the players just sort of bounce the ball in the ref's direction. However, if its a delay of game, then it shouldn't matter how the ref gets the ball. Just enforce the damm rule all the time, and I think everyone will be surprised how quickly the players stop doing it.
 
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