BMiller52 said:No, it's a well known fact Brad is a bad rebounder. Shareef should be grabbing more though, he's more mobile and more athletic. The reason I say the kings need a new PF is that Brad/Reef as a front line isn't going to cut it and I assume they're going to keep Brad.
DaMan said:In my opinion if AD leaves we will go back to a regular offence set, where people play their true postions, not this set were the PG plays like a SG, the C like a PG and the SG like a C. So no more Brad at the top of the key doing fancy passes, which would make him useless in my opinion, since he can't do little else accpet shoot wide opinion j's and pass. which makes me think that Brad could be the odd man out. But if we keep sar, we have a guy with a nice post game and plays decent D. And in my opinion his rebounding will go up next season (if this back injury people are reporting is true) and could be able to get his career number of 8 or 9 per game.
DaMan said:In my opinion if AD leaves we will go back to a regular offence set, where people play their true postions, not this set were the PG plays like a SG, the C like a PG and the SG like a C. So no more Brad at the top of the key doing fancy passes, which would make him useless in my opinion, since he can't do little else accpet shoot wide opinion j's and pass. which makes me think that Brad could be the odd man out. But if we keep sar, we have a guy with a nice post game and plays decent D. And in my opinion his rebounding will go up next season (if this back injury people are reporting is true) and could be able to get his career number of 8 or 9 per game.
VF21 said:AD? I'll assume you mean Adelman, because nothing else makes much sense.
This is one of the posts that just makes me scratch my head. Nice jabs at Miller and a couple of pretty feeble attempts to boost SAR - again - but other than that you aren't really saying very much.
Having a center that can pass and shoot is an asset. Having a shooting guard that can also rebound is a plus. In fact, the very positions you talk about as being liabilities are, in actuality, some of our strengths. Want to know the weakness?
We have two. We have a tandem PF combo that isn't getting the job done and we have no real back-up for Bibby.
Getting rid of Adelman isn't going to change any of that.
VF21 said:Oh please.
How long have you watched the Kings? Were you around and paying close attention in 2001-2003?
Your interpretation of what a center and a point guard are supposed to do is just that - YOUR interpretation. It's actually a lot more fluid in the league now than it ever has been before. There are fewer and fewer PURE position players and more and more players who actually play a combination or merger of two or more slots.
As far as a team not relying on jumpshots go, that's another statement that sounds good but doesn't say anything. If you don't have jumpshots or a perimeter game, then you're not going to get anywhere inside because defenders will simply clog the paint and keep you from going inside.
If Miller, Garcia, Martin and Bibby would have made some of those shots, you'd be happy as a little clam. And if the Suns had continued to shoot abysmally from outside (you know, those low percentage jump shots) then we would have won.
The way it sounds, the only thing you like about the Kings is one player. That's NOT the Sacramento Kings.
DaMan said:In my opinion if AD leaves we will go back to a regular offence set, where people play their true postions, not this set were the PG plays like a SG, the C like a PG and the SG like a C. So no more Brad at the top of the key doing fancy passes, which would make him useless in my opinion, since he can't do little else accpet shoot wide opinion j's and pass. which makes me think that Brad could be the odd man out. But if we keep sar, we have a guy with a nice post game and plays decent D. And in my opinion his rebounding will go up next season (if this back injury people are reporting is true) and could be able to get his career number of 8 or 9 per game.
Rome said:Ok you have to remember that we had a lot of GREAT passers those years. Now we only have 1 GREAT passer and thats Brad Miller. That kind of team was rare. I don't think we can't go towards that direction anymore. Plus if the system is so great why didn't it win us a championship?? Unless we somehow got KG there's no way we could just let our Pg just chuck up shots and expect to win. These weaknesses that we see from Miller and Bibby are not new. Its just when we had an allstar like C-Webb you would'nt realize it as much.
As i said before we only have 1 Great passer. Everyone else on this team is an ok passer but their used to an regular system where the center plays defense and rebounds, pg makes plays. So i think we should just be that kind of team instead of going back to our old days and trying to become a perfect passing team. It just won't happen.
Maybe that explains the turnovers? RA may be setting plays that he used to run with all the great passers but it just won't work with this team. So the number of average passers we have outnumber Miller. Unless your going to find another Doug, Webber and Vlade this team will never be that kind of passing team again.
No i never said Mike Bibby is a weak pg. All i said is that he is playing with the same weaknesses he had even when we were a playoff team with C-Webb.VF21 said:Your basic premise is that Mike Bibby is a weak PG. Sorry, but you and I are diametrically opposed on that assumption so anything that derives from that we'll also disagree on.
Have a nice night.
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Rome said:No i never said Mike Bibby is a weak pg. All i said is that he is playing with the same weaknesses he had even when we were a playoff team with C-Webb.
I don't think Bibby is a bad passer. I just think this system is preventing him from passing like a traditional pg. If he was playing in a more traditional system he could be easily averaging 6-7 assists per game.
But i wouldn't rate Bibby any higher then say a guy like Mike James.
VF21 said:Rome - Mike is a good passer. It's his "receivers" that are suspect. And his assist ratio is down because the people he passes to aren't making the baskets. That's not Mike's fault. You only get an assist if the other guy does his part, too.
Sorry, but I'm done with this. If you think Mike is no better than Mike James, we have NOTHING further to discuss because one of us isn't really serious about the discussion.
BMiller52 said:A good big man like Bosh makes his guards better though. Mike doesn't have an all star big man to make things easier for him. Mike could average more assists than Mike James and IIRC before Mike was traded here they called him "the Kidd that can shoot". If we used another system he would probably get 2 or 3 more assists. Ron Artest said he might be the best point guard in the NBA.
beemerr23 said:Bibby is only averaging 5 assists a game because our Center is the one at the top of the key making passes down low. Mike would be around the 9 assist a game mark if our Center was in the post and we had a good shooting guard. Instead, everything is a slow, half court offense/post up game and that takes away from assists. To say there are 10 other PG's in the NBA better than Bibby, I think that's very false. Mike is a VERY clutch player, excellent shooter, and a good passer. There aren't many like him in the league.
edit: Also, Mike James is an excellent PG, but is no where near Bibby![]()
AMEN!Sirius said:Can you name them?
And if you're going to consider defense, don't bother listing Nash.
In my opinion we should be one of the last teams to complain about our starting point guard.
Sirius said:Can you name them?
And if you're going to consider defense, don't bother listing Nash.
In my opinion we should be one of the last teams to complain about our starting point guard.
The Kings style of offense doesn't use the PG as a primary playmaker. Brad gets his share of assists. Also, RA has been letting Ron have the ball in his hands a lot as a "point" forward.Wheeler03 said:Mike would get more assists if he were a pass first point guard. Unfortunately that is not the case. Bibby is a shooting guard stuck in a point guards body. He is, however, very good at what he does -- score. His lack of defensive effort does prevent him from being a complete player though.
Sirius said:In my opinion the only pgs better right now are Kidd, Nash, Billups, and maybe Iverson. That's it. I'd be willing to bet that if Bibby was on the Spurs and had Tim Duncan to play with he'd be making the all star team easily.
I thought it was from last year. Let me update.beemerr23 said:That PG rating page is at least 3 years old.