Bricklayer said:You REALLY don't want to make this personal Kame. And if you had been around here for more than 14 posts, you would know that NOBODY gets a free pass.
Hey here's a thought -- if Reef, or more specifically Reef's brownnosers, want me to get off his back about him rebounding like my aunt, then how about he get his sorry pretty boy *** into the paint and grab a bleeping rebound. Fairly remarkable concept, I know. Much easier to make excuses and whine incessantly.
Bricklayer said:You REALLY don't want to make this personal Kame. And if you had been around here for more than 14 posts, you would know that NOBODY gets a free pass.
Hey here's a thought -- if Reef, or more specifically Reef's brownnosers, want me to get off his back about him rebounding like my aunt, then how about he get his sorry pretty boy *** into the paint and grab a bleeping rebound. Fairly remarkable concept, I know. Much easier to make excuses and whine incessantly.
beemerr23 said:Bricklayer: Like I said in the other thread, you're concerned with SAR's rebounding? Seriously, it makes me wonder what you think of our Center. I really just can't even begin to understand why you're blaming our rebounding weakness on Shareef, it just boggles me.
beemerr23 said:The oaf we like to call our Center gets 10 more minutes than Shareef does, thus his rebounding is higher. Plus...you know...he's 7 feet tall, he SHOULD be out rebounding SAR. Next let's talk about Miller's defense, shall we?
beemerr23 said:Bricklayer: Like I said in the other thread, you're concerned with SAR's rebounding? Seriously, it makes me wonder what you think of our Center. I really just can't even begin to understand why you're blaming our rebounding weakness on Shareef, it just boggles me.
Wheeler03 said:Beem.....you just violated Bricklayer. I am not certain he will be capable of sitting down anytime soon.
You better watch out though. Our mighty "authority figures" might ban you for posting a dissenting opinion. If I am not mistaken a certain European country implemented a similar type of government in the mid 1930's. Here is a novel idea....how about not banning people who post ideas you do not agree with. This is a message board. It is not life or death.
beemerr23 said:Haha yeah, I should probably refrain from posting anytime my opinion differs, especially if it's an administrative figure!![]()
Padrino said:after 5 pages...this thread hasn't accomplished much. no, reef is not the (as in, singular) problem when concerning the kings rebounding woes. but neither is he the answer. the kings are a poor rebounding team. that is no secret, so there's no harm in saying that reef needs to start rebounding better. all the kings not named bonzi wells and kenny thomas (who have both done well in picking up some of the rebounding slack despite their size) need to start rebounding better. thomas is doing his job on the glass, despite the fact that he's not real tall and not real strong when compared to other PF's in the league. to expect more of thomas would be ludicrous. same thing with bonzi. he's strong and hard-nosed, but its still startling at times for a SG to be able to rebound like he does, so you can't expect any more from bonzi than he's already given. it'd be nice to get a few more rebounds from artest because of his strength, as well as from young guys like martin and garcia, but those really aren't the positions where the kings need rebounding.
our premier bigs need to rebound better. that leaves two names, realistically speaking: brad miller and shareef abdur rahim. reef deserves no free pass. and the completely overblown "why does miller get a free pass?" position isn't gonna cut it. miller doesn't get a free pass, on this board or anywhere else, i imagine. he's slow and can't jump worth a damn, but he stands just short of 7 feet tall, and should be able to pull down more than 6-7 rebounds a game. reef, at 6'10" and 245 lbs, is no slouch when it comes to size and strength. he may not be as powerful as guys like amare stoudemire or elton brand, but that's still no excuse. he has no problem banging down low on offense. he shouldn't. he's a helluva post player. but i would like to start seeing the same energy and intensity down low on the defensive end. at least compete for boards. box out. try and get position. bully the other power forwards around until they no longer want to challenge you for defensive rebounds. that's what its all about.
why do you all think ben wallace is such a terrific rebounder despite an obvious disadvantage in height? he's a beast-and-a-half, that's why. he gets angry when he goes up for boards. he's pissed off all the time on the court. you can tell...and its scary. i wouldn't want to try and out-muscle a guy like ben wallace for a board. you might get hurt doing so. that fear is one of the main components of ben wallace's rebounding game, and its not to be underestimated. reef's never gonna be as passionate as ben wallace when it comes to rebounding, but i'd like to see more effort. the more your opponents think that they are not gonna be able to rebound over you, the more rebounds your gonna get. much of the rebounding game is based on size, and that's a fact...but bonzi will tell you that there's more to it than just that.
Padrino said:why do you all think ben wallace is such a terrific rebounder despite an obvious disadvantage in height? he's a beast-and-a-half, that's why. he gets angry when he goes up for boards. he's pissed off all the time on the court. you can tell...and its scary. i wouldn't want to try and out-muscle a guy like ben wallace for a board. you might get hurt doing so. that
BMiller52 said:Brad averages more boards than Shareef, about 3 more actually. I can't understand why the Reef homers say Reef's a better rebounder than Brad, it just boggles me.
Bricklayer said:I'm not sure how people can still miss this:
Brad rebs/48 = 10.0
Reef rebs/48 = 8.8
Neither deserves a gold star. Not even a puke green star. But of the two underacheivers Brad is clearly better.
Did they become perfect since I went to class this evening?cdep73 said:Can we stop critizing our players now...
Kamehameha said:You knock Shareef for being "soft", yet Brad Miller gets a free pass? I mean, is there a bigger softie in the league?
DaMan said:Let me add something about the game. SAR is surpposed to get more shots attempts and more mins then he is getting right know. he is must likely our best post scorers and is automatic down there, and he is must likely our second or third best defender on the team. Something that would help the team would be to stop shooting so many damm jumpers and giving it down low to sar.
But when we are talking about his rebounding, it really is disappointing and neither should he get a free pass for it, like any other player on this team. But to say that brick has not been fair to sar compared to other players on the kings team is wrong and shows how long u have been on this board because in the past he has had post on bibby's and brad's lack of d and softness.
And to Bmiller, you are the biggest brad lover on this board. When somebody starts to talk about brad's softness, lack of rebounding skills for a 7 FOOTER, or something that is competely true or untrue about him u are must likely the first person to protect him or makeup exuses for him. But when one of those SAR fans start doing the samething or comparing sar and brad, thats when u consider it wrong to protect a player and then you either bash sar or his fans. Could you not be a homer for one second.
BMiller52 said:I only do it when they do it first. I like SAR, he's a good person and a good offensive player. He's not even a bad post defender. He IS a bad rebounder, worse than Brad. Brad is a bad rebounder, and he's a bad defender, but he's not as bad as Reef on the boards.