Grades v. Sonics 10/25 (PRE)

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Bricklayer

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1) I missed the first couple of minutes, and then was on an important phone call for a chunk of the first half, so saw it, but was distracted and did not get a great feel for stretches. So going to keep the remarks mostly short, and admit to a little fuzziness on the grades.

2) Think maybe its possible we are learning what Mike Bibby really means to this team.

Artest ( C ) -- set others up pretty well, but shot poorly (on one trip getting blocked not once, but twice, at the rim by Rashard Lewis I think it was), and had limited defensive impact.
Thomas ( F ) -- well...pretty much played like crap. When your fouls (5) and TOs (3) outnumber your points and rebounds (2 and 3) and you shoot 0-5 on top of it...Just slept walked through this one, even blowing wide oipen point blank layups.
SAR ( B- ) -- rebounding effort was better tonight, and scored pretty well in the earlygoing (mostly from the line). On the other hand still plagued by TOs and of course not much of anything was stopped inside.
Martin ( A- ) -- good start, then was fairly quiet for much of the game, scoring well, but not spectacularly. But then went on a nice scoring run in the late 3rd/early 4th which helped us at least make a kinda game of it (all over the pathetic Mickael Gelabale). That run was ended when he turned into Earl Watson and knocked out one of his teeth, simultaneously opening up a cut on his elbow. Pretty one dimensional once again, but our best performer.
Price ( B+ ) -- scored well -- very well (shot 6-7, and 3-3 from 3pt land) but in some ways kind of step back in his PG quest -- no assists (although a few opportunities were missed by the shooters), got trapped a few times, and really not much of anything but the shooting. 15pts 1reb 0ast. Our backcourt starters shot and scored well, but that was really it. Earns the + for being Ronnie Price and the shooting %, but not the numbers you need out of your PG.
Salmons ( D ) -- thx a lot John for illustrating my claims about your streakiness to the max. A night after a quiet beating at the hands of Chirs Paul, was really invisible in this one.
Taylor ( D- ) -- Mo must know he has it made, because here was another nothing effort from him. Didn;t even matter enough to earn the F.
Hart ( B ) -- passed well, and was pesky on defense. On the other hand gave bricklayers' everywhere a bad name with the junk he threw up, and his one turnover was a bad one where he just handed the ball off to the Sonics. In some ways really did all that you can ask Jason Hart to do -- pass, and play defense. But 0 pts in 24 min is taking that a bit far, and not as if he was keying an explosive offense tonight.
Corliss ( B+ ) -- played hard in his minutes, which included yet another terrifying stint at center. The way he's played he deserves PT, but if that means at C and PF in the regular season we're going to wish we had a realtive traditionalist liek Adelman back by the time December rolls around.
Garcia ( C+ ) -- hit some outside shots, but also threw some really bad passes for TOs. One of those games where he hurt as much as he helped.
Williams ( INC ) -- looked ok in there and made one nice dump off pass to Admundson for what should have been a layup (he was fouled instead, leading to the horror of Louis FTs).
Douby ( INC ) -- forced shots and was ineffective in very short minutes
Admundson ( INC ) -- grabbed a couple of solid boards, still cannot convert inside, and then provided the comic relief with a couple more of his patented "free" throws. Chris Dudley must be off somewhere getting a good chuckle -- its a victory when he even touches rim.

Muss (N/A) -- well, a back to back on the road, and still without Mike and Brad, and we got handled pretty easily. All of a sudden looking like we have no real answers at PG with Mike out. Not a real shocker, but always a concern. We can fake it with various ballhandlers as backups while Mike sits for a few each game, but the offense has ground to a halt here as our cast of thousands tries to fill the void for a full game.
 
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Could they be anything else? That was pretty poor...ugly...disgusting...<insert adjective here>
 
Kmart played well... and that's about it.

When's Bibby coming back :eek:

That's not true.

Price played awesome.
SAR played quite well.
Corliss was really active in his minutes.

Artest had a poor shooting night, but played overall decent game.

Our problems were lack of bench, TOs and changing our style of play as the game wore on. Mainly our lack of bench killed us.
 
Martin did play well, as did SAR, and Price was good as a second SG. Hart would have been fine if he'd stuck to assists instead of bricks. And I keep being surprised to see that Corliss can still play. Artest was OK.


Everyone not on the above list should be playing all the minutes in what's left of the preseason, because they really, really need the practice.
 
Only thing about Ronnie's game is he had zero assists. If he can really learn to playmake and control the team, he could be awesome.

Hold on to your seats. Artest led in assists with 5 (not a surprise) and Hart tied that.
 
K-Mart is really starting to make noise. Reef, Big Nasty, and Price played well too. I hope Reef didn't hurt himself to get those 7 boards... good to see him being active on the glass. KT played like garbage... he was missing all kinds of easy layups. Maurice Taylor is absolutely useless. I don't know if he has a contract but I'd love to see him cut cuz he's just embarrassing.
 
Price scored pretty well but really did nothing else. And sar did have 11 and 7 off 3 0f 5 shooting but he also did have 5 TO's. And i don't know if it was a combination of TO's and lack of argessivness or if it was a lack of plays set for sar in the post by Muss but it didn't look like sar was looking to score after the 1st qt.
 
Quite possibly the worst I have seen Kenny Thomas play as a King. He was absolutely worthless tonight.

Overall not a very good showing. The lack of ball movement really concerns me. Muss prides himself in preperation, but his team hasn't looked very prepared lately. I do however understand that with the tough schedule practice is impossible but still.

Jason Hart did alright with his assists but his shot is dreadful.

The lone bright spots had to be Price and Martin. Other than those two there really was nothing. No effort, no cohesion, nothing.

Hopefully they can use this last game to get dialed in and maybe get some practice in before next wednesday.
 
Our problems were lack of bench, TOs and changing our style of play as the game wore on. Mainly our lack of bench killed us.

Our problems was lack of starters. :) We don't have Bibby and Miller. So we use our benches as starters. ... and I agree with you that we have very thin bench.

Ahhhhhh. We need a big body. Today I even miss Loren Woods. :(
 
MAn if only the shots went in!!!!!!!!

KT Sucked tonight..... reef will take the starting positon.... dont any of u agree???
If you say he is "bad" rebounder, he can continue to get 6 rebounds a game, or he might get 15 or 4 or 5..... shareef will start..
 
Actually the best unit we put on the floor tonight was when Corliss was at C and Ron was at PF! And yes I just said that!

That was the ONLY time this team looked good other than the 1st quarter. Bibby or not it boils down to effort and execution. The team had very little of either tonight.
 
2) Think maybe its possible we are learning what Mike Bibby really means to this team.

I've had an ongoing playful argument with the office mail guy as to Mike's importance to the team -- well, let's just say that I'm not usually quite this upset about being right.
 
I keep telling myself it's still pre-season. But that was UGLY. I did enjoy hearing Muss all over our D a fews down the court
 
Price scored pretty well but really did nothing else. And sar did have 11 and 7 off 3 0f 5 shooting but he also did have 5 TO's. And i don't know if it was a combination of TO's and lack of argessivness or if it was a lack of plays set for sar in the post by Muss but it didn't look like sar was looking to score after the 1st qt.


After watching Reef in the first quarter I thought he was gonna have a 20 pt performance... He was getting to the line and converting his almost automatic freethrows. A lot of people like to knock Reef or downplay his game but he makes the most of the shots he gets. He's always shooting a high percentage. So instead of judging him based on the weak parts of his game ppl should have a more balanced approach and look at his strengths.
 
Williams ( INC ) -- looked ok in there and made one nice dump off pass to Admundson for what should have been a layup (he was fouled instead, leading to the horror of Louis FTs).
Admundson ( INC ) -- grabbed a couple of solid boards, and then provided the comic relief wiht a couple more of his patented "free" throws. Chris Dudley must be off somewhere getting a good chuckle -- its a victory when he even touches rim.

Too bad Skinner isn't around anymore, he missed what could be the only chance in his career to have someone make his FTs look good.
 
our offense has stalled without bibby and miller

it looks plain ugly and we have had 27 and 20 turnovers without them

if we keep this up....expect a 1-7 or 0-8 start
no kidding
 
Amundson and KT are absolutely breathtaking at the free throw line. In the sense that I hold my breath (and close my eyes). Of course, that isn't meant to help....and it doesn't. :(
 
Taylor's behind the back turnover pass in the second quarter made me want to barf. Who does he think he is, Chris Webber???

Can we at least put Potapenko in for a couple of minutes to see what he can do? I mean, we traded Skinner for him, for God's sake!
 
1: Mo Taylor is our number 1 waste of roster space.

2: I really don't like Amundson for this team...He is a less skilled Mark Madsen...That's not necessarily a good thing...

3: I can almost shoot better than Jason Hart.

4: Get well soon Mike...Please?
 
1: Mo Taylor is our number 1 waste of roster space.

2: I really don't like Amundson for this team...He is a less skilled Mark Madsen...That's not necessarily a good thing...

3: I can almost shoot better than Jason Hart.

4: Get well soon Mike...Please?

I couldn't agree more.
 
Shareef needs to start. Kenny is not adjusting well at all to Musselman's offense. With the current offense there is too much dumping down to KT posting up -- that is not his strength. Basically, there are only three possibilities when Kenny gets the ball in the post. He turns it over, he gets to the line or he makes a nice pass. Since he can no longer hit a free throw (and won't start hitting free throws unless he gets rid of that hitch) and since he's a turnover machine, he is just not doing anyone any good by posting up. Meanwhile, at least in the preseason he's indistinguishable from Shareef on the boards and on defense.

Shareef has been really bad on defense, particularly on rotations, but he's a much better fit for Musselman's offense. Maybe that's still a reason to bring him off the bench (so we'll have SOMETHING off the bench), but I really think this team's best chance in the regular season is going to be to ride the starters and let Salmons and Price come in and just fire away.

And I agree with everyone about how valuable Bibby is to this team. It's not that he suddenly became a better player, but this team is really going to struggle to score points at times. They need Bibby to create shots and score. It's a huge load.

Artest is a problem. If he does not learn shot selection he's going to kill this team. In the preseason he's been hurting as much as helping.

Martin could score 20 points per game if people would just get him the ball. And actually, he's scoring almost 20 points per game in preseason WITHOUT people getting him the ball, so who knows what is possible. GIVE HIM THE BALL.
 
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