Grades v. Sonics 04/23

[Venom]

I saw the game in person. Nobody was looking for peja in the 4th. You could see him stop moving around so much as a result.

I was VERY annoyed with Mobley, even during his stretch of made field goals. He was looking for NOBODY the whole game. Very selfish game, he seems to dribble with his head down so he can't see the court.

I noticed tag and miller looking for Peja, MIke and MObley weren't. Turns out Mobley shot a better percentage than Peja so in the end maybe it wasn't so bad, but I personally feel we NEED to get peja more touches.

Christ, why does everybody else ALWAYS have to make sure poor Peja gets the ball? Maybe he should crash the offensive glass, or I don't know, DEMAND the ball. Really tired of the Peja hand-holding by both the organization and the fans.

Also, why on earth would Adelman sit Bibby in a 4th quarter in a playoff game, ever? Seriously. Bibby is the one guy the Kings have had throughout this resurgence who has been able to nail clutch shots. Barring serious injury he will finish every playoff game the Kings have.

 

[Double E]

I saw the game in person. Nobody was looking for peja in the 4th. You could see him stop moving around so much as a result.

I was VERY annoyed with Mobley, even during his stretch of made field goals. He was looking for NOBODY the whole game. Very selfish game, he seems to dribble with his head down so he can't see the court.

I noticed tag and miller looking for Peja, MIke and MObley weren't. Turns out Mobley shot a better percentage than Peja so in the end maybe it wasn't so bad, but I personally feel we NEED to get peja more touches.

Since you were at the game you would have noticed that Peja could not get the ball out of his hands quick enough with 9 sec left. He recovered the Mobley miss and let that ball go as if to say, "I can't take a shot this big, Bibby you take it." The 1-15 Bibby abliged, but wouldn't it have been nice if poor Peja, who never gets the ball in the 4th, would have taken it upon himself to try to take a big shot.

 

[piksi]

Since you were at the game you would have noticed that Peja could not get the ball out of his hands quick enough with 9 sec left. He recovered the Mobley miss and let that ball go as if to say, "I can't take a shot this big, Bibby you take it." The 1-15 Bibby abliged, but wouldn't it have been nice if poor Peja, who never gets the ball in the 4th, would have taken it upon himself to try to take a big shot.

that is garbage

 

[Double E]

that is garbage

childish responce to a servicable observation

 

[Bricklayer]

Since you were at the game you would have noticed that Peja could not get the ball out of his hands quick enough with 9 sec left. He recovered the Mobley miss and let that ball go as if to say, "I can't take a shot this big, Bibby you take it." The 1-15 Bibby abliged, but wouldn't it have been nice if poor Peja, who never gets the ball in the 4th, would have taken it upon himself to try to take a big shot.

Heh -- the person I was watching with said exactly the same thing (i must have blinked myself). I would have to see it again to see if he was covered at all, but I don't think its any great secret he'd rather not take that shot, and Mike would (and I'm not going to vouch for the shot Mike eventually took either). We had the shot from the guy who wanted it and you would have thought could hit it (Mobley), and he just couldn't convert. Mike and Peja combined for 2pts in the last quarter I think, so once it was out of Mobley's hands our odds weren't good.

 

[Folsom Al]

Well ...

Nothing was going or bouncing in THE KING'S direction last night. There were plenty of AIR BALLS to go around (even from the most unlikely players).

I'm done with Game #1 - I'm movin' on to Game #2

 

[Double E]

Heh -- the person I was watching with said exactly the same thing (i must have blinked myself). I would have to see it again to see if he was covered at all, but I don't think its any great secret he'd rather not take that shot, and Mike would (and I'm not going to vouch for the shot Mike eventually took either). We had the shot from the guy who wanted it and you would have thought could hit it (Mobley), and he just couldn't convert. Mike and Peja combined for 2pts in the last quarter I think, so once it was out of Mobley's hands our odds weren't good.

He was just in front of the midcourt circle line with a man near him ready to D up. Clearly, Peja didn't even think about trying to get a shot. He deferred to someone else....But its not his fault because (Webber, Bibby, RA, Mobley, etc.) made him so tentative.

 

[VF21]

He was just in front of the midcourt circle line with a man near him ready to D up. Clearly, Peja didn't even think about trying to get a shot. He deferred to someone else....But its not his fault because (Webber, Bibby, RA, Mobley, etc.) made him so tentative.

Oh geez - Are we going to have to go through another round of Peja bashing?

Peja Stojakovic is part of the Sacramento Kings. He deserves the same respect as anyone else wearing the uniform, IMHO.

This board is pretty much a smack-free, sarcasm-free zone and we kind of like it that way.

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I'm proud of how well Peja has done lately. I hope he continues to improve. He's obviously working on things and trying to get better and I honestly don't think you can ask much more of him.

 

[quick dog]

Peja was aggressive on Saturday night, played a good game, and is not afraid to take important shots. That's just tired old BS. My only problem with him was when he failed to bend over to pick-up a critical loose-ball. Of that, he is guilty.

 

[Venom]

Peja was aggressive on Saturday night, played a good game, and is not afraid to take important shots. That's just tired old BS. My only problem with him was when he failed to bend over to pick-up a critical loose-ball. Of that, he is guilty.

I agree with everything except that he is not afraid to take big shots. Peja is a very timid player, and disappears in 4th quarters.

 

[Double E]

Oh geez - Are we going to have to go through another round of Peja bashing?

Peja Stojakovic is part of the Sacramento Kings. He deserves the same respect as anyone else wearing the uniform, IMHO.

This board is pretty much a smack-free, sarcasm-free zone and we kind of like it that way.

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I'm proud of how well Peja has done lately. I hope he continues to improve. He's obviously working on things and trying to get better and I honestly don't think you can ask much more of him.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion obviously...I would like to see Peja more agressive in the 4th ,demanding the ball and such. Many Kings fans shift the blame for Peja fourth quarter absences onto others. That is exactly the type of post I was responding to. If that was too smack-filled and too sarcasm-filled for this board than that is unforunate, I was just tiring to discuss a weakness of one of the players on my favorite team. I mean no harm, I would just love to see our team win.

I do find it amazing how you can repremand me for the above post but let another post calling my posts "garbage" slide. That doesn't bode well for a "smack-free" zone.

 

[VF21]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion obviously...I would like to see Peja more agressive in the 4th ,demanding the ball and such. Many Kings fans shift the blame for Peja fourth quarter absences onto others. That is exactly the type of post I was responding to. If that was too smack-filled and too sarcasm-filled for this board than that is unforunate, I was just tiring to discuss a weakness of one of the players on my favorite team. I mean no harm, I would just love to see our team win.

I do find it amazing how you can repremand me for the above post but let another post calling my posts "garbage" slide. That doesn't bode well for a "smack-free" zone.

Your comments were read and found to be lacking by another member. No one said anything personal and, as a matter of fact, piksi was pretty careful to address your statement and nothing more. The comment under discussion, as a matter of fact, was snide and sarcastic and border-line Peja bashing.

We do NOT bash the members of our team. You read like a reasonably intelligent individual. I'm sure you can elucidate your comments, concerns, etc. without resorting to sarcasm or player bashing.

You might just want to take a moment to read the guidelines for posting. It might clarify things for you.

 

[swisshh]

And do you know what the comon denominator amog ALL those other coaches is?















They are in the play offs meeting yet one more Rick Adleman team, beceause he is there EVERY season.

So Rick Adleman is like the wonderful girlfriend who turns into Peg Bundy once you get married?

 

[HndsmCelt]

So Rick Adleman is like the wonderful girlfriend who turns into Peg Bundy once you get married?

If you want to see it that way then fine, but critizing RA in the play offs is easy beceasue he is there every year. I can only think of maybe 3 active coachs I'd rather see at the helm including Jackson. but hey be my guest rage on, it's your right if not your duty as a fan.

 

[KP]

We do NOT bash the members of our team.

As silly as I think it is to blame Peja in any way for the loss, I think it's just as stupid to blame Adelman in any way, he constantly made adjustments and when they didn't work initially he made more. Rick put the team in a position to get a huge comeback win on the road, they just didn't produce at the end there. Is bashing the coach OK?

 

[VF21]

KP - I'm holding up some fingers. Can you guess how many?

...

Seriously, Adelman has ALWAYS been the target for criticism, justified or not. I think it pretty much goes along with the territory. On the other hand, until recently - and I'm sure I don't need to mention actual names - player bashing around here was unheard of. I know you were around then - so you know what I'm talking about.

If people want to simply post attacks on various players, whether in the guise of criticism or just blatant player bashing, there are a lot of other web sites out there they can frequent.

 

[mr. moustache]

Christ, why does everybody else ALWAYS have to make sure poor Peja gets the ball? Maybe he should crash the offensive glass, or I don't know, DEMAND the ball. Really tired of the Peja hand-holding by both the organization and the fans.

Also, why on earth would Adelman sit Bibby in a 4th quarter in a playoff game, ever? Seriously. Bibby is the one guy the Kings have had throughout this resurgence who has been able to nail clutch shots. Barring serious injury he will finish every playoff game the Kings have.

To be fair. I think Peja's a softie and a choker. I still think the team should look for him. Christ is right. He's good at one thing. Catch and shoot. If he can't catch you might as well have Matt Barnes out there.

It's clear you've never seen Peja's game. Crashing the offensive glass for putbacks.. Umm.. He's not Ben Wallace. That's not his game. While we're at it, why don't we have Bobby Jackson post up Jerome James. That would be rad.

 

[KP]

KP - I'm holding up some fingers. Can you guess how many?

lol.

 

[mr. moustache]

Nothing was going or bouncing in THE KING'S direction last night. There were plenty of AIR BALLS to go around (even from the most unlikely players).

I'm done with Game #1 - I'm movin' on to Game #2

We opened and closed the game with an airball. Just about says it.

 

[VF21]

While we're at it, why don't we have Bobby Jackson post up Jerome James. .

If I see this happen on Tuesday, I'm going to blame you.



I can still remember Bobby driving the lane against the Lakers, impervious to the eminent peril waiting for him under the basket. Bobby is like a Chihuahua who looks in the mirror and sees a Bull Mastiff.

 

[Double E]

I'm proud of how well Peja has done lately. I hope he continues to improve. He's obviously working on things and trying to get better and I honestly don't think you can ask much more of him.

I will comment to this instead of the other part of the Peja discussion. His last few games have been much better. He has been a little more agressive, particularly on the boards. Lets hope this becommes the norm for Peja.

 

[Raci]

Oh, here we go again. its amazing how we are always the much better team except for Rick. Man, he's probably the only thing holding us back from being a dynasty on the level of the old Celtics.

Alternately some fans could spend a significant portion of their time more than a little deluded about how good their team is, and how bad everybody else's is. At the point that the team "underacheives" 5 years running, it seems very rational to conclude that maybe its never been underachieving at all. We finised the season 23-21 since late January. Seattle won more games than we did, is seeded higher than we are. Our team seems to be much better than the rest of the league...in our heads.

Ok tell me what you think,are we better team?

 

[Raci]

Ere against LA in one game i remmember when the Kings are losing with 12-13 points and Adelman take out Webber(he was play desperate) in 3'rd qouter,than Kings make advantage and take a lead with couple of points.than Adelman take in Webb with 6-7 min to end of game,Webb carry on with bad play turnovers and terible shooting,Kings lose game becouse Webbers bad play,but to me in that time Webb isnt been real guilty it is Adelman with his bad change(Webber must play,even if he make damage).bad change in a bad time he was and will doing it all the time in SacTown.If player play good let them play,doesent matter if he is starter or 7-8 player.

 

[VF21]

Ere against LA in one game i remmember when the Kings are losing with 12-13 points and Adelman take out Webber(he was play desperate) in 3'rd qouter,than Kings make advantage and take a lead with couple of points.than Adelman take in Webb with 6-7 min to end of game,Webb carry on with bad play turnovers and terible shooting,Kings lose game becouse Webbers bad play,but to me in that time Webb isnt been real guilty it is Adelman with his bad change(Webber must play,even if he make damage).bad change in a bad time he was and will doing it all the time in SacTown.If player play good let them play,doesent matter if he is starter or 7-8 player.

Oh please...

You remember one game blah, blah, blah...

NO COACH is perfect. None. Not even the sainted Red Auerbach.

(And, in case you didn't get the memo, Chris Webber is now a 76er.)

Rick Adelman is one of the winningest coaches in NBA history. And he's going to make mistakes; he's going to do things people may not agree with; etc. If he does something you don't agree with and the team wins, you're not going to come here and say you were wrong, are you? Nope. You wait until you can point to something that you THINK he did wrong and we lost the game.

Just to prove a point, we could go through all the game tapes and find all the times Peja missed a shot, hefted up an airball, etc. and use those to "prove" Peja is not a good shooter. Would it be true? Well, of course not. That's the problem with hindsight - you can pick and choose whatever you like to try and bolster your argument. It doesn't make it right...

 

[bigbadred00]

Problem was we didn't run the Kings offence. I don't remember seeing it once. On top of that we are re-integrating a bunch of parts which we haven't played with for a while. With that being said we gave the Sonics a great go at it, and could have easily stolen that game even though we were heavily outplayed for more than 2 quarters. I think Adelman will adjust the lineup, Thomas and Skinner have played poorly lately for no apparent reason (Skinner, still hurt, Thomas ?). Maybe a Ostertag - Brad C-PF starting lineup might be just what the Sonics ordered. Then again I don't think Bibby will shoot that poorly in the next game and we need more Peja in the 2nd half. WIN GAME 2 guys!

 

[Venom]

To be fair. I think Peja's a softie and a choker. I still think the team should look for him. Christ is right. He's good at one thing. Catch and shoot. If he can't catch you might as well have Matt Barnes out there.

It's clear you've never seen Peja's game. Crashing the offensive glass for putbacks.. Umm.. He's not Ben Wallace. That's not his game. While we're at it, why don't we have Bobby Jackson post up Jerome James. That would be rad.

Yeah, you're right, crashing the offensive glass is not part of his game, but it should be considering he is a 6'9" forward. Peja is neither versatile enough, nor does he have the desire, to get the shots in the 4th when teams clamp down on D. I blame Peja because he STILL does not have a post-game. You want Peja to get 4th quarter looks, then you should be wondering how he spends his summers, because he has not improved in at least 4 seasons. And I'm not talking statistically, I mean that nothing has changed in his game for 4 summers now.

And I would rather have Matt Barnes out there. I played Matt Barnes. He's a tough dude with a desire to win games and do whatever it takes. Matt is the only guy to ever improve under Steve Lavin, which tells you alot, because he was making those improvements at home in Sacramento during the Pro-Am, while Lavin was busy pretending to be Pat Riley and getting his TV commentator resume together.

 

[Bricklayer]

Umm...you'd rather have Matt Barnes than Peja?


Its no great secret that I consider Peja soft, but talent is talent.

 

[Venom]

Umm...you'd rather have Matt Barnes than Peja?


Its no great secret that I consider Peja soft, but talent is talent.

In the 4th quarter of playing game, it's not as big a stretch as the poster I was responding to would like to think it is. Of course I would rather have Peja on the roster all things considered, but the Peja apologies/conspiracies have to stop. The guy has not improved in a long time, and I don't think he cares. In watching the NFL Draft, alot of GMs and coaches kept talking about getting guys with a passion for the game, and they are the most successful franchises year in and year out. Basketball is a little different in that pure talent will still enable you to go deep in the playoffs. I mean, we almost beat the Lakers in 2002 w/out a true competitor, but eventually that passion wins out. Look at how Jerry West and Red Auerbach built teams. . .or Gregg Poppovich and Joe Dumars today.

Shoot, take a Poppovich type player, Manu Ginobili. He gets better every summer, despite competing at high level for his national team. Would the Spurs trade Manu for Peja straight up? No way.

 

[chelle]

In the 4th quarter of playing game, it's not as big a stretch as the poster I was responding to would like to think it is. Of course I would rather have Peja on the roster all things considered, but the Peja apologies/conspiracies have to stop. The guy has not improved in a long time, and I don't think he cares. In watching the NFL Draft, alot of GMs and coaches kept talking about getting guys with a passion for the game, and they are the most successful franchises year in and year out. Basketball is a little different in that pure talent will still enable you to go deep in the playoffs. I mean, we almost beat the Lakers in 2002 w/out a true competitor, but eventually that passion wins out. Look at how Jerry West and Red Auerbach built teams. . .or Gregg Poppovich and Joe Dumars today.

Shoot, take a Poppovich type player, Manu Ginobili. He gets better every summer, despite competing at high level for his national team. Would the Spurs trade Manu for Peja straight up? No way.

Without a true competitor? Are you serious? Maybe I just misunderstood what you are trying to say. Could you explain what you meant by that?

 

[Venom]

Without a true competitor? Are you serious? Maybe I just misunderstood what you are trying to say. Could you explain what you meant by that?

Sure, a guy who will do whatever it takes to win, and leave everything on the floor. Christie is a real tough guy, in regards to playing through the pain and grinding out the little things, but he still wasn't as tough mentally as you would like. Chris became a real tough competitor after the injury. Bibby is nails, but still lacks that real cut-throat mentality. Bobby's the closest thing that this team has had, past or present, but he's always hurt. The rest of that team was just sofT.