Grades v. Sonics 04/05

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( A- ) -- started off the game cold offensively, but making a number of nice little dump off passes for assists -- that critical creating for others aspect that is not always there for Peja. But tonight made a definite contribution to our unselfish passing attack. Grabbed a few rebounds as well for an unusually well rounded start to the game, and thought he made a couple of nice plays in the second quarter when things got rough -- hitting a tough (and forced) three to save us from an ugly possession where we were clearly rattled, and making a good aggressive drive when we needed to stop the roughhouse momentum Seattle was building up. Played a more conventional Peja game thereafter, stopped boarding, few assists, but caught major offensive fire in the third, albeit oddly really only from three point land. Every time he was left alone on the perimeter, he drained the three. But any attempt to get closer, lay it up, whatever, was normally a miss. His rookie opponent nearly matched him in points, but not so much from bad defense as just hustle and movement. Rarely squared Peja up and took him, but scored on switches, fast breaks, scramble plays etc.
Thomas ( B ) -- very efficient offensively the whole game, but really most of his offense came on broken plays, fast breaks, loose balls etc. Did not see much of the jumper at all just -- two early misses, and two more in the 4th (whihc means he hit EVERYTHING that wasn't a jumper) -- and rarely actually tried to take a defender to the hoop. Just went to the front of the rim with or without the ball and good things happened. Got really crunched on the boards by Reggie Evans, who scrapped and clawed and mucked his way to yet another big board game against us. Grabbed some boards to fill out his stat sheet in basically extended garbagetime in the 4th, but while the game was still on it was only 3 or 4 for him to a dozen for Evans. Was still tempted to give him the "+" to his B for efficiency, but Evans dirty work was one of the few reasons the Sonics even kept it close, and I don't want to give too big of a bump for numbers put up after the game was long decided.
Skinner ( B- ) -- numbers aside, really not very effective again. Some hustle, but generally outdone on that front by Evans up front. Again looked too small to contend with a big center on defense, as Jerome James of all people began to really work him in the third, and the sooner we get him back to his more natural PF, the better. Played some minutes of extended garbagetime in the 4th and picked up some numbers, but just not an impact game (saw him fiddling with his thumbs a few times, so again wonder how much he is being hampered). Couple of solid passes as well, and no misses, so still a B-.
Mobley ( B+ ) -- solid effort tonight throughout, although there were patches where Ray Allen ALMOST took over and you were wondering where Cat was. But never quite, and in the end more or less matched Allen's night. Along with Peja caught major fire in the third and had one of those stretches where the basket must have looked the size of the ocean. 21, 3, 4 -- kind of a standard good efficient scoring guard night. The way we were shooting, did not need to score more. But felt at times that he could easily have dropped 30 if he had felt like it.
Bibby ( B ) -- the best of our many passers tongiht, but it really was a team effort/philosophy this time out. Still having real problems with his jumper, but we were so democratic tonight that there wasn't much pressure on us. Had some problems with Ridnour's penetration again, but never anything serious enough to endanger us.
Songaila ( A- ) -- came in the game and the jumper looked great from the very beginning. Kept right on scoring throughout his minutes and was able to take advantage of the Sonics trying to run some small ball lineups and guard him with a rookie SF (Wilkens).
Evans ( B ) -- not a big statistical game, but thought he came in in the second quarter and made an immediate impact for us on the glass, where our big guys were being overmatched. Flying block in the final two minutes was a lot of fun as well -- he REALLY got up.
House ( A ) -- I mean really, at this point, how much better can a limited talent guy like Eddie House run the team off the bench? Pod person or robotic clone, right now he is playing so far over the head of the real Eddie House that there's no point in even trying to pretend its the same guy. Hitting absolutely everything he puts up, and beginning to really make good passes as well. Loses his plus for getting too fast in the early and mid-4th and losing conrol of the tempo. rick called a good timeout though to settle him down, and he came back out and started smoothly stroking jumpers once again.
Williamson ( B- ) -- fell victim to Danny Fortson in the second quarter, lost his temper, which is of course the purpose of much of Fortson's antics, and never retuirned. That was surprising, but I actually liked it. Enough is enough, and if Rick is finally going to take a stand with all of our guys complaining and losing their cool, good for him. It plays right into a Fortson's hand, and who knows, maybe Rick managed to send a message tonight. Before getting tossed, had actually done a good job of muscling up with Fortson.


Adelman ( C ) -- Goes without saying that this was one of our best offensive games of the season. Reminiscient of the Cavs game in many ways, including the first real separation taking place during the second quarter when our reserves hit the floor running. Thought Rick made the right, if tough, call in pulling Corliss and never bringing him back after he lost his cool vs. Fortson. Much like Brad, when you lose your cool vs. Fortson, Danny wins. That's the whole point of his antics. But Rick really REALLY pissed me off tonight with an asinine decision, or series of decisions in the fourth, when because of an apparent attempt to either run up the score, send a message to the Sonics, or just rampant insecurity, he kept our starters in untilt he 2 minute mark depsite leadig the entire 4th quarter by 20+ points. Just ugly. And stupid. All it takes is one turned ankle, and *poof* there goes the last hope we have for the playoffs. Made me as mad as any of his small-balling ever has. Nobody got hurt (although Cat once again did his nightly limping thing) so I'm just making a partial huge drop here. But if somebody major gets hurt, I'm giving him an F and calling for his head. If you're not playing garbagetime in this one, you're never going to play it.
 
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and here I clicked in just to comment that this may be the fastest posting of the grades this season (if not in history). Of course, with the game locked up for pretty much the entire 4th, it didn't seem entirely implausible.
 
I loved how the crowd really gave Danny Fortson he the respect he deserved...hehehe...the only Sonic to be boo'd at all during the game...niiice Arco nice
 
Entity said:
an A+ for the best 3rd quarter we have had all year.

Yup and pretty much been the key for us lately. If our 2nd or 3rd QTR was a break or "TAKEN OFF" by the team then we lost. We need all 4qtrs of play to win.

I thought we had 4 qtrs of play tonight. Now my only gripe is consistancy, give me that and then you give me some hope.
 
If Brick doesn't hurry up I may have to go nutty in here.

I have AIdol and Amazing Race recorded (although I think ARace is a recap show tonight)

Give me grades or give me nothing!
 
Your take on Corliss was different then mine. I am not in RA's head so I am not sure if he left Corliss out because of the Fortson Supremacy. He had a few points during his time and nothing else. I forgot when I looked but I think he only had 7 min playing time so that may explain it. During his time, 0's across the board in all other stat catagories which may be another reason for the benching. (LOL didn't we kinda debate the exact opposite in the other thread?)

Darius played well like Darius again. IMO still one of our most consistant players. He comes in, we know what he is gonna bring everynight.

I agree with all grades. Think RA needs a tick or so higher but you notice a lot more in games then I. I am to busy going to the fridge and giving high fives to the kids.
 
BigWaxer said:
I agree with all grades. Think RA needs a tick or so higher but you notice a lot more in games then I. I am to busy going to the fridge and giving high fives to the kids.

RAs grade from me was almost entirely dependant on his idiocy in the 4th. REALLY pissed me off. If Peja rolls his ankle with three minutes to go in this one and I'm a Maloof, I get up, walk down to the bench, fire Rick and give the keys to Elston Turner on the spot. Why exactly am I paying millions of dollars for the rest of the bench if you're not going to play them in the clearest situation Rick? And why the hell are you risking my big $$ assets?
 
Bricklayer said:
RAs grade from me was almost entirely dependant on his idiocy in the 4th. REALLY pissed me off. If Peja rolls his ankle with three minutes to go in this one and I'm a Maloof, I get up, walk down to the bench, fire Rick and give the keys to Elston Turner on the spot. Why exactly am I paying millions of dollars for the rest of the bench if you're not going to play them in the clearest situation Rick? And why the hell are you risking my big $$ assets?

Because you have, for the first time in seven years, a brand new team on the floor leading into the playoffs and you have very little time to practice them together outside of game situations? Even less time to play them together in an, altogether too infrequent, blow out where mistakes don't hurt you?

But that's just my opinion. I don't actually get paid to coach a winning NBA team. :D
 
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Rick has always had a penchant for leaving the starters in until the last 2-3 mins of a game no matter what the score was. I guess he believes that the teams can score like sacramento and pull it off in 4-5 mins. seattle being one of the few teams.
 
Bricklayer said:
RAs grade from me was almost entirely dependant on his idiocy in the 4th. REALLY pissed me off. If Peja rolls his ankle with three minutes to go in this one and I'm a Maloof, I get up, walk down to the bench, fire Rick and give the keys to Elston Turner on the spot. Why exactly am I paying millions of dollars for the rest of the bench if you're not going to play them in the clearest situation Rick? And why the hell are you risking my big $$ assets?

DISCLAIMER: Don't mind spelling, grammer or whatever - its a you know what night!

I agree, especially when you consider this wasn't a must win game. We are pretty much in a playoff spot. I think more or less I felt that way about RA both ways, he is playing someone to much or not playing someone enough.

Come playoffs it will be a 7-8 man rotation and if we have Brad and Bjax back that means pretty much all the players that everyone is hyped about won't see a lick of playing time.

I want to go further with this RA thought but I promised myself not until after the season. Just a quick preview I love RA but I think sometimes a change is needed.

thats all I wanna say right now.
 
Bricklayer said:
Peja ( A- ) -- started off the game cold offensively, but making a number of nice little dump off passes for assists -- that critical creating for others aspect that is not always there for Peja. But tonight made a definite contribution to our unselfish passing attack. Grabbed a few rebounds as well for an unusually well rounded start to the game, and thought he made a couple of nice plays in the second quarter when things got rough -- hitting a tough (and forced) three to save us from an ugly possession where we were clearly rattled, and making a good aggressive drive when we needed to stop the roughhouse momentum Seattle was building up. Played a more conventional Peja game thereafter, stopped boarding, few assists, but caught major offensive fire in the third, albeit oddly really only from three point land. Every time he was left alone on the perimeter, he drained the three. But any attempt to get closer, lay it up, whatever, was normally a miss. His rookie opponent nearly matched him in points, but not so much from bad defense as just hustle and movement. Rarely squared Peja up and took him, but scored on switches, fast breaks, scramble plays etc.
Thomas ( B ) -- very efficient offensively the whole game, but really most of his offense came on broken plays, fast breaks, loose balls etc. Did not see much of the jumper at all just -- two early misses, and two more in the 4th (whihc means he hit EVERYTHING that wasn't a jumper) -- and rarely actually tried to take a defender to the hoop. Just went to the front of the rim with or without the ball and good things happened. Got really crunched on the boards by Reggie Evans, who scrapped and clawed and mucked his way to yet another big board game against us. Grabbed some boards to fill out his stat sheet in basically extended garbagetime in the 4th, but while the game was still on it was only 3 or 4 for him to a dozen for Evans. Was still tempted to give him the "+" to his B for efficiency, but Evans dirty work was one of the few reasons the Sonics even kept it close, and I don't want to give too big of a bump for numbers put up after the game was long decided.
Skinner ( B- ) -- numbers aside, really not very effective again. Some hustle, but generally outdone on that front by Evans up front. Again looked too small to contend with a big center on defense, as Jerome James of all people began to really work him in the third, and the sooner we get him back to his more natural PF, the better. Played some minutes of extended garbagetime in the 4th and picked up some numbers, but just not an impact game (saw him fiddling with his thumbs a few times, so again wonder how much he is being hampered). Couple of solid passes as well, and no misses, so still a B-.
Mobley ( B+ ) -- solid effort tonight throughout, although there were patches where Ray Allen ALMOST took over and you were wondering where Cat was. But never quite, and in the end more or less matched Allen's night. Along with Peja caught major fire in the third and had one of those stretches where the basket must have looked the size of the ocean. 21, 3, 4 -- kind of a standard good efficient scoring guard night. The way we were shooting, did not need to score more. But felt at times that he could easily have dropped 30 if he had felt like it.
Bibby ( B ) -- the best of our many passers tongiht, but it really was a team effort/philosophy this time out. Still having real problems with his jumper, but we were so democratic tonight that there wasn't much pressure on us. Had some problems with Ridnour's penetration again, but never anything serious enough to endanger us.
Songaila ( A- ) -- came in the game and the jumper looked great from the very beginning. Kept right on scoring throughout his minutes and was able to take advantage of the Sonics trying to run some small ball lineups and guard him with a rookie SF (Wilkens).
Evans ( B ) -- not a big statistical game, but thought he came in in the second quarter and made an immediate impact for us on the glass, where our big guys were being overmatched. Flying block in the final two minutes was a lot of fun as well -- he REALLY got up.
House ( A ) -- I mean really, at this point, how much better can a limited talent guy like Eddie House run the team off the bench? Pod person or robotic clone, right now he is playing so far over the head of the real Eddie House that there's no point in even trying to pretend its the same guy. Hitting absolutely everything he puts up, and beginning to really make good passes as well. Loses his plus for getting too fast in the early and mid-4th and losing conrol of the tempo. rick called a good timeout though to settle him down, and he came back out and started smoothly stroking jumpers once again.
Williamson ( B- ) -- fell victim to Danny Fortson in the second quarter, lost his temper, which is of course the purpose of much of Fortson's antics, and never retuirned. That was surprising, but I actually liked it. Enough is enough, and if Rick is finally going to take a stand with all of our guys complaining and losing their cool, good for him. It plays right into a Fortson's hand, and who knows, maybe Rick managed to send a message tonight. Before getting tossed, had actually done a good job of muscling up with Fortson.


Adelman ( C ) -- Goes without saying that this was one of our best offensive games of the season. Reminiscient of the Cavs game in many ways, including the first real separation taking place during the second quarter when our reserves hit the floor running. Thought Rick made the right, if tough, call in pulling Corliss and never bringing him back after he lost his cool vs. Fortson. Much like Brad, when you lose your cool vs. Fortson, Danny wins. That's the whole point of his antics. But Rick really REALLY pissed me off tonight with an asinine decision, or series of decisions in the fourth, when because of an apparent attempt to either run up the score, send a message to the Sonics, or just rampant insecurity, he kept our starters in untilt he 2 minute mark depsite leadig the entire 4th quarter by 20+ points. Just ugly. And stupid. All it takes is one turned ankle, and *poof* there goes the last hope we have for the playoffs. Made me as mad as any of his small-balling ever has. Nobody got hurt (although Cat once again did his nightly limping thing) so I'm just making a partial huge drop here. But if somebody major gets hurt, I'm giving him an F and calling for his head. If you're not playing garbagetime in this one, you're never going to play it.





Wow, I would hate to see if they lost. If KT gets a B for workman numbers then he will never get an A, thats what he does he's not an all star or a flat out scorer, thats what Peja, Bibby, and Mobely are for. 20 and 8 or 15 and 10 is about all your going to get on a consistant basis, If your looking for somthing else, hope for a trade cause you will be frustrated.
 
Bricklayer said:
RAs grade from me was almost entirely dependant on his idiocy in the 4th. REALLY pissed me off. If Peja rolls his ankle with three minutes to go in this one and I'm a Maloof, I get up, walk down to the bench, fire Rick and give the keys to Elston Turner on the spot. Why exactly am I paying millions of dollars for the rest of the bench if you're not going to play them in the clearest situation Rick? And why the hell are you risking my big $$ assets?

You may be right about Adelman, but I never really thought much about the substitution pattern while the game was going on. Actually, I think the Kings starters may have benefited by thrashing Seattle last night. Maybe a timely route is a wise decision given the sketchy Kings record this year.

I am giving Rick G.W.E. Adelman the benefit of the doubt this time. I think he made a conscious effort to build team morale and confidence at a critical time. He is a cerebral, unemotional, coach, and I believe that he ran the score up with the starters for a good reason.

Adelman = B+
 
Bricklayer said:
The way we were shooting, did not need to score more. But felt at times that he could easily have dropped 30 if he had felt like it.

I definetly got that same impression myself..and the way he was stroking it in the 3rd i thought he for sure get there...it looked to me like he was looking to pass a lot more...and it was as if he showed up offensively when the Sonics kinda got it close and Cat was like "ya know what im just gonna drop a couple of 3's and this game will be out of reach <drops the 3's> there thats better" Him and Peja ofcourse

Bricklayer said:
Thought Rick made the right, if tough, call in pulling Corliss and never bringing him back after he lost his cool vs. Fortson. Much like Brad, when you lose your cool vs. Fortson, Danny wins.

So so true...thats the point of his antics...in a slight way kinda like the way DRodman use to do it...

good grades overall...at first i was surprised that Eddie didn't get the A+ but after reading your explanation i understand
 
Diehard Jim said:
Rick has always had a penchant for leaving the starters in until the last 2-3 mins of a game no matter what the score was. I guess he believes that the teams can score like sacramento and pull it off in 4-5 mins. seattle being one of the few teams.

yeah thats what i figured he was thinking...you never now ya know...but really they should of been out at least 2 mins earlier...i remember with 6 mins left in the game Peja and Mike were on the bench and ya kinda figured they were gonna stay there but they both ended up coming back
 
I agree, but...

Bricklayer said:
RAs grade from me was almost entirely dependant on his idiocy in the 4th. REALLY pissed me off. If Peja rolls his ankle with three minutes to go in this one and I'm a Maloof, I get up, walk down to the bench, fire Rick and give the keys to Elston Turner on the spot. Why exactly am I paying millions of dollars for the rest of the bench if you're not going to play them in the clearest situation Rick? And why the hell are you risking my big $$ assets?

I agree with you that Bibby and Peja should not have come back in late in the 4th, however I have to agree with the other poster that his overall grade should be higher. In the early 2nd I was waiting for the Sonics to take out James so the "short Lineup" Evans, House, Mobley, Songaila, and Thomas could start a ruckus the way they did against the Cavs and the Sixers. They came in and the 3 point lead quickly became a 16 point lead.

Adelman switched Evans from F to G when Peja came back and Mobley went out. Learning which reserves play well together in which situations and using them to allow the starters more rest will prove to be the best of the many changes in personnel over the past year. Not only do the starters get rest, but they also see their reserves outplaying them sometimes and it provides an incentive to "find" their game. Now if Adelman would just have Elston slap each starter's face before the game to get their attention.....but hey, the union would file a grievance. I can't claim to know a lot about hoops, that's jmho.
 
I have to agree with all grades. I think Darius played one hell of a game and kept this cool even when Danny PUNK Fortson clearly fouled him on both ends of the court. Fortson is such a Punk. He clearly pushed Darius under his own basket and then on the very next play at the other end of the court did it again. Can't stand that guy. Cut your hair and go sell insurance or something with Bowen, just get out of my NBA and off my TV.
 
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