[Grades] Grades v. Raptors 2/5/2014
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HighFlyingMonkey
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This is exactly why TS% is usually a better stat to determine scoring efficiency than FG%.
Our FG% was less than 40%, which is really bad.
But our team's TS% (which accounts for three pointers and free throws) was .527, which is a tick below average.
That, combined with the fact that we only had 10 turnovers, explains why we were able to score 109 points.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Cuz and Acy grades up
ShastaKingsFan
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I don't think he considers any other possibilities for how something might sound before he says it. Almost as if there's no internal filter
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Grats Jk
ShastaKingsFan
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Not sure how anyone could grade Acy's game as a C-
Sometimes less is more, in terms of how certain "role players" go about their business. I give him a solid B for his efforts and also his IQ, which is very high. He knows "when to say when"
Sometimes less is more, in terms of how certain "role players" go about their business. I give him a solid B for his efforts and also his IQ, which is very high. He knows "when to say when"
Bricklayer
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rainmaker
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“I’m not sure (if he’ll opt out). I have to go into the summer with my people, think about everything, weigh out the pros and cons. I don’t know yet. But Sacramento’s been great to me thus far. Obviously I’m trying to tune it all out right now. All I can think about right now is how great Sacramento’s been to me.”-Gay
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ShastaKingsFan
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Less rebounding is never more
He stayed out of JT and Cousin's way. Sometimes less is more
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Rudy & Outlaw grades up
HereWeBoogie
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Would you guys have ever thought that the KINGS would set the NBA season high for FT's made in a game? well we did last night, with 41
Call me crazy, but I actually see that play as correctly called by the official. First of all you have to understand a couple of things. There has been a point of emphasis on this type of play where the shooter sticks his legs out to draw contact. The referees have been instructed to call that an offensive foul. It's also a very dangerous play at times and, in this case, I think it was. Ben gets up very high to contest the shot here. He never hits Lowry's arms until way after the ball is released (which is considered incidental contact and would be a correct no call). When Lowry kicks his legs out he undercuts Ben and he lands somewhat awkwardly on the floor. I absolutely think this is the right call.
I think a lot of posters are really trying to compare this with the BS 4 point play call vs. Indiana and think it's some sort of make up call. It's not. It's not even the same type of play.
rainmaker
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He didn't. That's a natural shooting motion. When you take a true jump shot, releasing at the peak of your jump, your feet naturally swing forward. It's part of balance and naturally what your lower body does during the release and follow through, especially when you're fading/leaning a bit to get the shot off.
If you're going to label Lowry's shot and a natural aspect of shooting a jumper as an example of seeking contact, you might as well start calling the release and follow through of every jumper as an offensive foul and seeking contact too.
This isn't an example of the hundreds of set shots you see at your local playground or YMCA. True jumpers, your legs kicking forward a bit is completely natural.
It was no different than this
or this
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I agree that there can be some natural movement forward on a jump shot but not to that degree. Look at how Lowry shoots jumpers in games. He doesn't do that. In fact look at this 12 second YouTube clip, he actually puts his feet back there.
What you have to understand is that the offensive player is entitled to his space when he shoots his jumper just as a defensive player is entitled to his space. Ben was contesting the shot from an angle -- he wasn't moving forward towards Lowry. That's why I believe Lowry did this intentionally to try to draw contact.
Did you see the part where he undercuts Ben and he tumbles to the ground? Do you think that sort of move by the offensive player is acceptable?
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He didn't. That's a natural shooting motion. When you take a true jump shot, releasing at the peak of your jump, your feet naturally swing forward. It's part of balance and naturally what your lower body does during the release and follow through, especially when you're fading/leaning a bit to get the shot off.
If you're going to label Lowry's shot and a natural aspect of shooting a jumper as an example of seeking contact, you might as well start calling the release and follow through of every jumper as an offensive foul and seeking contact too.
This isn't an example of the hundreds of set shots you see at your local playground or YMCA. True jumpers, your legs kicking forward a bit is completely natural.
It was no different than this
or this
These shots are not even close to what Lowry did on that shot. Plus, the other point is that there has to be contact for there to be a foul. Merely sticking a leg out without contact does not constitute a foul.
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HereWeBoogie
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Lowry's legs definitely caused all the contact. Now not quite a blatant kick out like the Reggie Miller rule, so i think it should be a no call. but definitely not a defensive foul
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Here is a shot of where his legs were at the time of contact with Ben:
Do you still think that's a natural shooting motion?
Actually I did. he did not kick those legs. they swung out as a natural result of him falling back on the shot. It was actually ben's contact with his legs that caused them to yank out of position on that screencap
This is a good discussion! Watch the YouTube clip of the play. I agree with what you say until the 6 second mark of the video. That's when Lowry, IMO, stops the natural leg motion and seeks Ben out with his right foot/leg.
It would be cool to see how this play is interpreted by the league.
Maybe the refs were helping us get the win with the commish in the house?
Mass
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IMHO that's a natural shooting motion. That's just the movement of his body and legs, he's not throwing a leg trying to hit Ben like Reggie Miller used to do. After you jump, it's impossible to swing your legs like that on porpouse if that's not the natural movement of your body. And if you are shooting after catching that pass, from that angle and from that far away, there's no way your legs won't swing out.
We've been lucky. It happens. Sometimes it goes our way, sometimes it doesn't.
We've been lucky. It happens. Sometimes it goes our way, sometimes it doesn't.
kupman
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That was a terrible, horrible, horrendous, atrocious, god awful call.
It is about time that one of those went our way.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
No matter what anybody says this call was not as bad as the Paul George 4pt play call.
For one thing, even if they call the foul on Ben, Raptors are still down 3 with a FT coming up. in the case of the George foul call, it took a sure Kings win, and put the game right into OT.
Also, this foul is extremely controversial. Is it an offensive foul? No call? Defensive foul? nobody really knows (I personally think a No-Call would have been the way to go)
meanwhile, the Paul George call was not controversial at all, there was NO FOUL AT ALL!
But this Lowry play is all over the internet as the worst call ever, while people just praised the PG24 play as a great play by him. ridiculous
For one thing, even if they call the foul on Ben, Raptors are still down 3 with a FT coming up. in the case of the George foul call, it took a sure Kings win, and put the game right into OT.
Also, this foul is extremely controversial. Is it an offensive foul? No call? Defensive foul? nobody really knows (I personally think a No-Call would have been the way to go)
meanwhile, the Paul George call was not controversial at all, there was NO FOUL AT ALL!
But this Lowry play is all over the internet as the worst call ever, while people just praised the PG24 play as a great play by him. ridiculous
Really kind of looks like a no-call to me. That said I think it's pretty clear on that replay that Lowry's legs came forward into Ben. If Lowry goes straight up, there's no contact, and if the officials are going to decide to call a foul, they called the right one.
rainmaker
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He's going towards the hoop in this clip. Of course his legs won't be kicked out in front of him when he's jumping forward. It's all about balance. You kick the leg out slightly when you lean/fade back. Doing that when jumping forward would make it look like you've never shot a jumper in your life.
As to your second quote of me, that's not the point of contact. That's the result of the contact. He's kicked out the leg to help balance as he was sprinting away from the hoop and has to quickly catch, turn and shoot on balance and at the speed they play in the NBA you don't always have time to be perfectly balanced in this type of catch and shoot situation and kicking the leg out helps keep your upper body squared up to the rim. That in no way makes it intentional, and that's what the rule is about, seeking contact and it being intentional.
rainmaker
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This is what you fail to understand. No one argued it was. The argument is it's part of a natural shooting motion, hence it doesn't matter if there's contact or not as a natural shooting motion in that situation does not constitute doing something not natural while seeking contact.
Given you compared drifting towards the hoop to drifting away from the hoop, I don't think you understand the actual situation.
Lowry did a slight fallaway shot, so it's pretty much impossible not to have your legs slide out like that. I shoot these type of shots frequently (yep, I degress. 
) and that's the natural leg motion when you're leaning back. I vote its a foul on Ben, but I can definitely see a no call on this at the end of the game - which is usually what happens.
) and that's the natural leg motion when you're leaning back. I vote its a foul on Ben, but I can definitely see a no call on this at the end of the game - which is usually what happens.
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