[Grades] Grades v. Nets 1/5/2013

Who's O-fer was most enthralling tonight?

  • Cisco 0-4 in 21min

    Votes: 13 39.4%
  • Chuck 0-4 in 6min

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Jimmer 0-4 in 12min

    Votes: 7 21.2%
  • Outlaw 0-5 in 18min

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • Total voters
    33

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ok, you all know what this means.

BTW, don't be surprised if we get hit by a lawsuit from DeMarcus tommorow for non-support. He was amazing after half again and if the rest of the team wasn't too busy bricking open shots and making moronic plays who knows, maybe we even make it a little interesting. Looking forward to Reke being back on Monday. Hopefully the rust dripping off of him isn't too thick -- Cisco + Jimmer and Outlaw tonight combined for 50min 13sec of action, and produced 0pts on 0-13 shooting combined.

Boxscore

Stats: 33min 13pts (5-13, 3-7, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Salmons ( C+ ) -- there were probably danger signs from the beginning of this one for us, as we hung close in the early going despite not playing a speck of defense largely on the back of John Salmons saying "DeMarcus who?" and gunning Kobe style. Hit three early threes, then started going 1 on 1 If he were actually capable of emotion or expression, he would have probably been taunitng his opponents -- come on, you want some of this? Do ya? No you don't! Bam. Just scoring and scoring and we needed all of it. But to say that is not sustainable is an understatement. Mojo was broken by the quarter break, and after missing a silly 1 on 1 heat check attempt to start the 2nd our first quarter superstar went churchmouse quiet and never scored again in the entire game. Missed the open three at the end of the third we needed to have, and didn't get much else accomplished either. When the ascoring dries up, and the assists aren't there, the nightly 2 rebs form the SF spot gets less amusing. Always tough to grade these "A" first quarter, nothing rest of game things.
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Joan Smalls

Stats: 26min 15pts (7-16, 0-0, 1-4) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thompson ( C ) -- here was Salmons running mate int eh early going to help keep it close. As usual it was little jumpers, scoring off the ball, cleaning up misses. And again, in kind of the sugar rush of the first quarter where we did none of the hard work, but were on a scoring sugar high it kept us kinda in the ballpark. But the longer the game went along, the more obvious it was how empty the early numbers were. In Jason's case it came down to this: he's too nice. He's like a nice polite suburban kid who grew up playing by the rules, and he got thrown in there with a dirty mud grubbing cheap shot artist of a junkyard dawg in Reggie Evans, and it was kinda embarrassing watching him get worked, thrown around, elbowed, arm barred, pushed, pulled, banged, bruised...and all he could think to do was whine to the refs about how unfair the big meanie was being as he got his *** just handed to him on the glass. Had one rebound the entire night until the very end of the garbagetime. Never did get a defensive rebound. I mean, the position is called POWER forward Jason. Man the **** up. If he elbows you, elbow him back harder. Punch him. I don't care. its what he wants you to do, but at least you are fighting back.
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Olivia Thirlby

Stats: 34min 28pts (11-18, 0-0, 6-8) 11reb 3ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Cousins ( A- ) -- another big night for Boogie. But really it wasn't a big first half. In fact during the early part of this game he was largely invisible and looked unsure of how he wanted to attack Reggie Evans, who was spending most of the time guarding him. Nor was he effective the other way where he was acutally getting outscored by Evans early, which isn't easy. But as the half wore on he started to pop up every one in a while with a nice move, and by the end of the half he at least had 10 points, albeit non-impact points. Lat eint eh half there was a winceworhty incident when he and Brooks ran the break, and Brooks appeared to take the layup attempt himself selfishly rather than try to dump it back to Cousins as the trailer. He missed, Cuz grabbed the folow rebound and finished it with a big slam, but he also screamed at Brooks "pass the ****ing ball!" loud enough to clearly be heard through much of the arena I would think. Appeared to man up in a major way at halftime. Too bad none fo the rest of the team did. But Cuz came out strapped on for the thrid quarter, and he at least was going to match and then some the Nets phsyical play, and he turned in a bigtime 3rd quarter again. Hit a jumper or two, but mostly used quickness ot drive aorudn the Nets bigs, used those great hands to snatch wobbly pasases from teammates and finish them, dropped a beautiful crossover dribble to tblow by Lopex in the mid third, and was accepting the physical challenge as he was the only Kings starter noit wearing lace panties on the boards. By the early 4th the Netsd were actually TRIPLE teaming him, and why not given how many bricked open looks and dumb plays the rest of the team were piling up. Going to stick wiht the "-" here because of the slow start/too little too late aspect, but this was extremely impressive again. No other center in the league can do some of these things Boogie is showing. But just has to stay clear of conflicts wiht teamamtes or any of that other nonsense. Gets reke back Monday.
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Amanda Righetti

Stats: 21min 0pts (0-4, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 0TO
Garcia ( F ) -- Okay..the bloom is off this Rose and then some. Tyreke, get your *** back on court. Cisco started the game with an assist to JT for our very first score. And that was quite literally the highlight of his entire evening. Just missing and missing his jumpers, no points, no rebounding. Eveyrtime we needed a shot and it was him it was a foregone conclusion we weren't getting points out of it. Got some help defense in the late garbagetime minutes, but far too little too late to save such an empty game from the ultimate grading indignity.
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Nicole Paggi

Stats: 22min 12pts (3-5, 1-3, 5-5) 1reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Thomas ( C ) -- no control over Deron in the early going, and no control of pace as the Nets were jsut scoring every single bleeping time. Kept forcing attempts in the third as he began to go 1 on 1. But hey, may even have been the right play given way things were going. Not sure why Boogie did not scream at him too however. Just got the ball taken from him to start the 4th as we squandered multiple chances to make a game of this by bad plays scattered up and down the roster. Not awful with a few tough hits, but emptyish. Got the feeling he did everything the Nets wanted him to do for most of the game.
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Chasty Ballesteros
 
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Bench

Stats: 26min 13pts (4-7, 2-3, 3-4) 5reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Brooks ( B- ) -- might have been our second best player on the night. How's that for a bad sign? Although again I should note that 3 years ago this guy averaged 19ppg in this league, so its not as if there is no talent. In any case, came in to this one and immediately hit an open three off what looked like a set play and scored well for us. Late in the half had that unfotunate should have passed it and get, shall we say, publicly reprimanded by Cuz if you don't play, but actually led the team in assists. And in a development that should have a lot of guys looking in the mirror, until Jason collected a couple of menaingless rebounds in the final minutes, Aaron Brooks, all 6'0" and probably weighing less than Miley Cyrus scrawny little Aaron Brooks, had as many rebounds as all 4 non-Cuz members of the starting lineup combined.
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Mini Anden

Stats: 17min 8pts (4-7, 0-0, 0-2) 6reb 0ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
Robinson ( B ) -- for the second straight game we saw sputterings of life here after TRob had cratered out in recent weeks. Had a good pokeaway on Blatche in the early 2nd, and was much more lively on the boards. On the other hand got beat badly by the Bosnian Buttkicker himself, Mirza Teletovic, who lit TRob up and did whatever he wanted to out there on the way to his career game. Robinson was back in for the garbagetime minutes, and after missing a couple of attempts at the rim again got a follow dunk and a huge alley oop in the last 3 minutes.
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Rosie Huntington Whitely

Stats: 6min 0pts (0-4, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Hayes ( INC ) -- has become the latest King to catch compelte incompetence disease, as it seems to apss from player ot player on our roster like a virus. Was in early...and let Blatche go right around him. Settled in a bit in defense, but just not able to finish inside. Smart decided that late he'd rather bring JT back or run smallballl than waste more time with Chuck. Still a little mystified here about this slump -- when your game is based on brains na deffort that should be a lot steadier than games based on skill.
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Lauren German

Stats: 12min 0pts (0-4, 0-2, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( F ) -- ok, this is almost a pointless writeup. The last couple of games Jimmer has not even been in the arena's mentally. No idea what happened as he had a pretty good game in Detroit. But the last couple of games he's jsut been BAD. As in really should not be playing bad. Was ineffective fromt he getgo in this one, forced a tough shot, got worked on defense both 1 on 1 and trying to stop the break. Its like the Space Jam guys came by and stole his mojo, and he doesn't have that much mojo to begin with. Completely off and flat airballed a wide open corner three late in the 4th. That's when you know Jimmer has left the building.
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Carlie Casey

Stats: 22min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-1) 6reb 1ast 2stl 5blk 2TO
Johnson ( B- ) -- some good help defense in the second, but not able to finish inside. Brought in the third to face Evans at PF, because at least he has some dawg in him hismelf, but we got pummeled on the glass. Got a tough score inside, but made a stupud defensive error on Blatche just when we almost had a little miomentum, leaving his feet, then doubling the dumb when he came down soft and gave them the +1. Another dumb offensive basket interference play at the end of the 3rd to help us continue our loss. The lack of brinas plays are disappointing here, becuase when your defensive specialist gives you 2 steals and 5 blocks, adn jsut as importantly actually comes into the fight swinging rather than running, you want to like his game. But just...duh.
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Genelia D'Souza
 
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Stats: 18min 0pts (0-5, 0-1, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Outlaw ( F ) -- Travis seems like a nice enough guy. I wish him nothing but the best in all his future endeavors...they just probably should not involve attempting to bounce a ball for a living. Came in and was immediately off to another Travis Outlaw game. Which is to say he found space to launch a bricked midrange jumper. If I was the opposing coach I would be running clearouts...defensively to feature Outlaw's jumper. Almost made a great defensive play, deflecting a ball under our hoop and leaping out of bounds after it...only to throw it back under our hoop right to the Nets for the score. Moronic play to pretty much finish us at the end of the 3rd when he fouled Deron on a 3pt shot in the corner with us down 13. Don't think we ever got as close again. Some defenisve hustle in the 4th after it was done isn't going to save this grade oh no. Travis and the Three Musketeers Jimmer, Chuck and Francisco combined to shoot 0-17 in this game and scored 0 total points in 56 minutes of action. 0-17! For the low low price of $16.8million. I mean, what the hell. You know what? Sign me and 3 of my friends. We could hardly do any worse. Work cheaper too.
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Mark Salling

Stats: 5min 0pts (0-2, 0-1, 3-3) 1reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Honeycutt ( INC ) -- got to run most of the final six minutes. Truth be I was barely watching by that point except to note how small Tyler looks out there. He's built like Kevin Martin. As a forward.
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Eddie Cibrian
 
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ill just focus on the positive.

2-2 is a decent road trip.

Cousins continues to play like the best center in the league. all 6 games since the suspension.

i look forward to seeing MT and Reke back in the mix with the new DMC. (i pray that Smart doesnt butcher the lineups when they come back)

if we can trade for a couple shooters and a real PG to surround DeMarcus with, we could be in business. (oh ya we also need another rebounder/shot blocker)
 
There's a clear off the court positive to Cuz's recent play. I saw in one of Amick's articles that Cuz had complained privately to management a few times about things regarding this team, most likely surrounding coaching and lack of surrounding talent. When he's having various incidents and not playing well, it doesn't carry as much weight.

But now with him playing like the top center in the league, passing the way he is and involving teammates, and with Fegan now as his agent, those complaints/demands suddenly carry a lot more weight. It's now, surround me with a better supporting cast or I'm gone. If he's the top center in the league and complains about Smart, that too carries a lot more weight. When he's playing like he is that puts a huge amount of pressure on our FO to get it right, and our FO could use some pressure applied to them.

Similar to Love in Minn. Surround me with a quality supporting cast and make us a clear playoff team, or I'm gone.
 
I had to give Hayes the vote in the poll because he was so much more efficient in only needing 6 minutes to accomplish the same as the others.
 
Cisco. If he was as good offensively as he was defensively we would have the SF we have been looking for. Alas, he's regressed and is probably close to being out of the league.
 
We need to seriously get some more height. We cannot rely solely on Cuz/JT for rebounding, because I puke when I see Hayes in there and his midget self along with the headless rookie PF TRob. I don't understand what Petrie's MO here is...why is it that difficult to go out and grab another big from a team. We got plenty of assets to give up.
 
There's a clear off the court positive to Cuz's recent play. I saw in one of Amick's articles that Cuz had complained privately to management a few times about things regarding this team, most likely surrounding coaching and lack of surrounding talent. When he's having various incidents and not playing well, it doesn't carry as much weight.

But now with him playing like the top center in the league, passing the way he is and involving teammates, and with Fegan now as his agent, those complaints/demands suddenly carry a lot more weight. It's now, surround me with a better supporting cast or I'm gone. If he's the top center in the league and complains about Smart, that too carries a lot more weight. When he's playing like he is that puts a huge amount of pressure on our FO to get it right, and our FO could use some pressure applied to them.

Similar to Love in Minn. Surround me with a quality supporting cast and make us a clear playoff team, or I'm gone.

I'm excited as every Kings fan is about Cousins play. But it's kind of silly to think that his recent 6 game stretch elevates him to superstar status and he gets to dictate the personal on the team no? I want to see Cousins play at or near this level the rest of the year with no blowups before he gets the franchise player treatment. LeBron in Cleveland, Dwight in Orlando, Kobe, Wade all earned their status because they showed up on the court for an extended period of time. Now that Cousins has given us a taste to what he can do on a nightly basis, he needs to continue to do so long-term before he's given the keys to the kingdom
 
I'm excited as every Kings fan is about Cousins play. But it's kind of silly to think that his recent 6 game stretch elevates him to superstar status and he gets to dictate the personal on the team no? I want to see Cousins play at or near this level the rest of the year with no blowups before he gets the franchise player treatment. LeBron in Cleveland, Dwight in Orlando, Kobe, Wade all earned their status because they showed up on the court for an extended period of time. Now that Cousins has given us a taste to what he can do on a nightly basis, he needs to continue to do so long-term before he's given the keys to the kingdom

Should clarify. If it continues. I wasn't implying he and Fegan should walk into Petries office tomorrow. But is this trend continues, then yes. Still have to see how Smart implements Reke and how the supporting cast responds to a Reke/Cuz duo, assuming they both continue playing well.
 
We need to seriously get some more height. We cannot rely solely on Cuz/JT for rebounding, because I puke when I see Hayes in there and his midget self along with the headless rookie PF TRob. I don't understand what Petrie's MO here is...why is it that difficult to go out and grab another big from a team. We got plenty of assets to give up.

And which one of those assets is worth a talented big?
 
It's time for Trob to get all of Chuck/Outlaw/JJ and whoever else we decide to play as a back-up big minutes. I'll eat crow on Chuck as I adamantly defended him last season and part of this year. He's not showing any of the offensive ability he did with Houston and isn't playing nearly as well on the defensive end or even rebounding the way he was with Houston. He still could provide some value to some team, but not at the cost of our #5 pick who's just starting to figure out the NBA game and showcase his talent.
 
And which one of those assets is worth a talented big?

It doesn't have to be a talented big per say, just a big tall body that can rebound and alter some shots. Milwaukee has a few, why don't we try to nab one from them...
 
A lineup of tyreke salmons Johnson Thompson and cousins could be a very good defensive team with good ball handling. Also big. We looked so small against the nets tonight. Just a thought
 
It doesn't have to be a talented big per say, just a big tall body that can rebound and alter some shots. Milwaukee has a few, why don't we try to nab one from them...

So you're saying we need a talented big?

Simply getting a tall guy will land you an Aaron Gray.
 
I put this in another thread but ill put it here too. Heres DeMarcus' numbers for the 4 game road trip.

24.5PPG
15.3RPG
3.8APG*
53%fg.*
 
So you're saying we need a talented big?

Simply getting a tall guy will land you an Aaron Gray.

Which I would prefer for 10-12 minutes a game over having Thornton playing PF in Smart's midget lineup of damnation. Does he do it because he likes it, or because we have 8 guards on the roster? I honestly can't tell.
 
It's time for Trob to get all of Chuck/Outlaw/JJ and whoever else we decide to play as a back-up big minutes. I'll eat crow on Chuck as I adamantly defended him last season and part of this year. He's not showing any of the offensive ability he did with Houston and isn't playing nearly as well on the defensive end or even rebounding the way he was with Houston. He still could provide some value to some team, but not at the cost of our #5 pick who's just starting to figure out the NBA game and showcase his talent.

Your love for TRob given what he's shown us thus far is beyond me. I do not see this talent you speak of. He is doing no better than Hayes at this point, and I fail to see how giving him more minutes would change that dramatically.
 
And which one of those assets is worth a talented big?

Thorton + Outlaw -> Dalembert + Przybilla. Works in the realgm trade checker.

That would give us more money next season obviously to resign Evans and get a third big if Robinson doesn't pan out.
 
Your love for TRob given what he's shown us thus far is beyond me. I do not see this talent you speak of. He is doing no better than Hayes at this point, and I fail to see how giving him more minutes would change that dramatically.

Because I know what kind of player he can be if he's given the proper minutes to develop. I invested a lot of time into watching him dominate at Kansas last year and am confident he can translate those skills to the NBA. If it takes longer than 30 games, so be it! A few of you here are incredibly short-sighted with the young talent we have on this roster
 
Because I know what kind of player he can be if he's given the proper minutes to develop. I invested a lot of time into watching him dominate at Kansas last year and am confident he can translate those skills to the NBA. If it takes longer than 30 games, so be it! A few of you here are incredibly short-sighted with the young talent we have on this roster

Young talent fails to show me anything special. Has not rebounded well, has not defended well, has not passed well, has not shot well, has not finished around the rim well, has not set screens well, has not dribbled well. Why ... he hasn't even hustled well for most of the season. But apparently he's a great talent that should be getting more than 20 minutes a game every night just so that he can display more of these phenomenal skills? How bout he shows me some skills first and then we can give him more minutes. Even Jimmer who struggled so much last season had some games where you could see what a good scorer he could be once he got used to the NBA and continued developing.

Again, one of the best college rebounders in nation. Now: 10th in rpg among ROOKIES, and alot of that is coming in garbage time. If we take say per 30 or something he still would only be about 7th or 8th at best.

This isn't about giving up on him - I just don't see how he deserves playing time any more than Jimmer did last season. And to be quite honest Jimmer showed me far more flashes of talent last season than I've seen from TRob thus far.
 
Because I know what kind of player he can be if he's given the proper minutes to develop. I invested a lot of time into watching him dominate at Kansas last year and am confident he can translate those skills to the NBA. If it takes longer than 30 games, so be it! A few of you here are incredibly short-sighted with the young talent we have on this roster

I sometimes think people should quite watching college basketball entirely. Just yields so many false positives. Which is of course why the draft is always such an adventure.
 
Thorton + Outlaw -> Dalembert + Przybilla. Works in the realgm trade checker.

That would give us more money next season obviously to resign Evans and get a third big if Robinson doesn't pan out.

Lot to give up on our end -- Pryz is done, and Daly will be a FA, and if he did not like us once...

Other problem is that with both Jennings/Ellis very hard to see what the Bucks would do with Thornton. Not every team is as dim as we are stacking up shot happy chucking types.

I remain very much interested in the spare shotblockers Milwaulkee has accumulated, but finding a deal that makes sense both ways is a challenge.
 
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It doesn't have to be a talented big per say, just a big tall body that can rebound and alter some shots. Milwaukee has a few, why don't we try to nab one from them...
Where is the Birdman?

Why not sign him for ten days and see what he can still do or cannot do.
 
What about that big fella in Denver Timmothy Mozgov they barley use him with Koufus/Farried and Magee getting all the mins, the guy fouls a bit but hes huge and tries real hard on D and has a fairly decent mid range jumper hed be a massive upgrade over Hayes and hes a legit 7'0 and can bang down low with anyone.
 
Had to vote for all the anove in poll. They are the bench. They have to perform if winning is to continue.

When Tyreke comes bac would seem he comes off the bench to get rid of the rust and gradually increase minutes during the coming 5-game homestand. So see IT-Salmons-Cisco starting with Tyreke-JJ-Jimmer-Brooks-Hayes as bench. Then Tyreke goes with IT with Salmons moving over to the 3.
 
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