Grades v. Mavs 01/02/10

Which King best epitomized mediocrity tonight?

  • Thompson

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Hawes

    Votes: 9 14.5%
  • Udrih

    Votes: 5 8.1%
  • Evans

    Votes: 12 19.4%
  • Greene

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Brockman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nocioni

    Votes: 22 35.5%
  • Rodriguez

    Votes: 8 12.9%
  • Udoka

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Total voters
    62
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Hangovers suck, and we played like we had one. In a game almost too unremarkable to grade -- just give out the teamwide C and go -- I will press on because I am a trooper.


Casspi ( B+ ) -- well here at least was one player who wasn't mediocre, and hasn't been through this entire stretch of tough games -- Omri over his last 5 games is now up to 18.4pts 8.4reb per game. But I think even in this case there was a little luster lacking -- everybody was just sort of out of rhythm. Splashed in his first three again, got a fastbreak attempt stripped by Kidd, then scored off one of those selifsh posessions where he took the board and never passed it, dribbling around until he could finally hoist a jumpshot. Stepped out of bounds on a three trying to avoid a flying defender. Mixed in several more threes in the second, and got on the defensive glass (all 11 of his boards were defensive) to help us limit the Mavs to one and done. Very solid 11pt 5reb first half. Good block on Marion in mid third, and while Marion isn't what he once was, he could get nothing going against Omri. Got quiet offensively in the 2nd half until late in the game when you could almost say it was over -- almost, not quite. We lingered around 8-15 pts behind for a long spell, but never really made a move. Then in the final mintes Omri upped this statline considerably -- spalshed in a three courtesy of Evans postup to get us back to 11. Kept on playing down the stretch and shot and scrapped us back to within 9 at the 1:00 mark -- relaly don't think he likes to lose. Kicked the ball to Donte for a three to get us within 6 at the 30 second mark and sort of fuzzily thinking of another miracle. After the Mavs hit both FTs on the inten tional foul, scored a layup on the alley oop from Sergio to get us back within 6 again at the 28 sec mark. But missed the three at the 6 second mark that would have got us within 3 and despite the late scramble we were never really in a good position to actually pull it off. I had a slight question on the grade here just because of the numebrs -- 22pts 11reb 4ast from your SF really should be an A of some sort. But if you watched the game, it didn't feel quite that good. More solid, clawing, than dominant or brilliant. And a bunch of the numbers came in a rush in the last couple of minutes after the game was semi-over and the Mavs may have relaxed a bit (many of their starters were sitting). So despite the great numbers, going to go B+ here. As an aside, many people over the years have been upset and/or confused in my mocking guys for being "just a shooter", whether it be Peja, Kevin, or whoever. Well right now Omri is showing how it should be done and is more valuable than any mere "just a shooter". He shoots. But he also competes, scraps, goes inside, boards, defends and backs down from nobody. Now THAT'S a "shooter" worthy of the hype.

Thompson ( B- ) -- well, a solid bounceback game. At least a return to normal Jason Thompson numbers if not exactly a huge make up for it explosion. Started this one off hitting a jumper, so at least you knew it wasn't going to be back to back shutouts, then a scoop layup and had our first 4 pts. Tipped in a Spencer miss, but started gunninng and missing a little after that. In the early second blew by Gooden for a drive to the hoop. Got a dunk courtesy of Reke at end of half. Had about 1000 balls slapped away inside as the Mavs quick hands and JTs perennial lack of clever made him easy prey. Quiet in the early third, and after a quiet first half Dirk started to come to life and light him up the other way. And then...JT just kind of faded away. Had 13 and 7 at half. Finished with 15 and 10 and a lot of empty minutes after half.

Hawes ( C ) -- ok...everybody better sit down now. In a truly shocking development Spencer did not follow up his 30pt night with a second 30pt night! I know, I know. Shocking. For a little while there it seemed like the confidence, if not the competence, from last game was going to bleed over. Splashed in a three after Dirk left him to go double on Reke v. Barea, calmy stroked a post move against Dampier. Missed a long jumper that triggered a Mavs leakout, but recovered back to block the layup attempt by Gooden that resulted. Used his passing skills + we ran some offense through him. But like JT was getting a lot of balls slapped away inside, and as the pressure picked up, Flutter started to return (although thankfully not Soggy Waffles) and he started to rush and drift offensively. Started the third with an airballed corner three that may have been partially blocked (actually I see only 1 3ptr credited in the boxscore, so maybe it was jsut inside the line?), then Dirk came back down and scored right in his face, and then Spencer turned it over. Whetehr Westphal just figured out this was the way it was going to be, or whether he just decided that as the Mavs turned more to the Kings own longtime star PF Drew Gooden that he could afford to go smaller, Spencer's night was kept short. Otherwise of course he probably would have had back to bakc 30pt nights. Still averaging 19.5pts 7.5rebs this decade though. No longer HOF numbers, but still borderline All Star stuff.

Udrih ( C- ) -- hit his first jumper, but was in quick foul trouble trying
to stay with quick little Barea. Blew the end of the first quarter play again, throwing a bad pass Trying to feed Reke in the post, but in a wild sequence Donte stole it right back and got it into Reke for the layup anyway. Able to mix in a couple of scattered drives to the hoop in the second, but seemed disrupted by Barea's quickness, which is not the way you would hope that macthup would go. Had a turnover trying to feed JT in the early third, leading to a Kidd fastbreak as as we fell back behind. Just scoring -- able to notch all of 1 assist runnign the team a night after notching a career high in assists. Of course this time had to share duties with Reke, but even when he was running the show not able to create anything.

Evans ( C ) -- back....but not quite back. Started slowly, seeming to just ease his way into things, began to pick it up in the middle game and be forceful, and then just kind of faded away down the stretch, undone by rust perhaps as it was one of those nights when everything was rolling off the rim. Started off this one by going in and snatching a d-board from Dampier, followed that with a great steal oln Kidd. But mostly took it easy on offense in the early going, content to pass whenever the extra presure came and not really forcing the issue. Got a layup off the scramble play to close the first. Started turning oin the aggression and the effectiveness down the stretch of the second as we tried to get back into it. Good rebound and pass ahead to JT for the dunk and foul to get us within 5 near the end of third. Post move and continuation foul off a little basleine inbounds play got us back within 10. Then a beautiful coast to coast drive for the layup and contination at the 4:30 mark of third, but missed FT. Made a couple of mistakes leaving JKidd at the three point line, but seemed to have momentum and was playing a solid all around game again with 5reb 6ast and 0TO. But then just largely disappeared late. Everything, jumper or layup, started rolling off. Set Casspi up for one last three late, and then just sat for the final 4 minutes of...well semi-garbagetime until we tried to make it not. So welcome back, but not the shot in the arm we probably needed after the Lakers game.
 
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Greene ( C+ ) -- in for Beno and set up an Evans v. Barrea matchup that had me drooling, but never amounted to much as the Mavs predictably just doubled us out of it. Played some good defense on a Marion break, forcing him to miss off the backboard, had besutiful up and under on the semi-break. Great steal and feed to Reke under the hoop to close the first quarter. Solid defensively on Dirk, but not as effective as he was against the smaller guys the last few weeks. Offensively the Mavs were stripping everything in there, and Donte's wildness made it all too easy. Scored on a wild drive to start the 4th -- sometimes these wild improvisational forays remind me of Walt "The Wizard" Williams in his rookie season. Missed several open threes that we needed and generally it was a struggle offensively. Even missed a dunk late int he game but the ball went in on the richochet anyway. Forced another drive that got blocked at the 1:00 mark, but did step up to hit a three at the 30 second mark to get us within 6 and at least pretend we were in it. Messy game, yet somehow borderline productive through it, racking up 9pts 2rebs 3ast 1stl and 3blks in his 27 minutes.

Nocioni ( C- ) -- highly forgettable short minute stint, and much as Noc can be a contributor on a good team, if we are not careful here these 11 minute stats are going to result in us having to eat a $9mil a year contract over the next 3 seasons for a 3rd string SF. Forced a post move against a double team to start, with predictably ugly results. Got burned by a bad call for Dirk to close the half and put us back down 7. Good strong take to the rim at the 8 minute mark, but then missed a three next time down as we couldn't get over the hump. Picked up a block later in the 4th. Not spectacularly awful...just forgettable.

Brockman ( C+ ) -- nothing but a little scrap in a short first quarter stint. Drew a charge down the stretch in semi-garbagetime. Some good scrappy work on the o-boards too in the final minutes. Continues to rack up fouls at a rate that must make JT envious, on this night mostly of the loose ball variety.

Rodriguez ( C- ) -- forced a drive and got it stripped by Barrea, turnover on the bad pass when Casspi stopped his cut and Sergio was anticipating hom going to the hoop. Just dribbled around and hit a prayer to get us back o 8. At the end of the 3rd victimized by a bad foul call on the scrambleplay with Terry. Again just dribbled around for our final posesion of the third looking for his own shot -- don't know where that dribble around for 20 seconds and then take your own shot came from with him, but he's got to stop it, run an offense, pass the ball to somebody, just anything. Had me thnking int he D's here, but saved his two best moments of the game for the very end game scrable -- an alley oop pass to Casspi out of the timeout at the 28 sec mark, and then a jumper off the scramble play at the 17 second mark, both plays I think getting us back to 6 before we had to intentionally foul again.

Udoka ( D ) -- hit a one on one post move over Terry in early 4th, but then we tried to get another one the same way and ended up with an ugly forced shot. did nothing else of not on either end of the ball. Bricked all his threes.


Note: two quick timeouts in the mid second as we collapsed in the face of Dalls's zone defense and constant fastbreaking -- Tyreke was far from great tonight, but should be noted that run seemed to start the instant he left and stopped when he returned. Coach got a T in the first half arguing a call that actually looked correct on the replay. Hurt our mini-comeback. Good defensive lineup to start the 4th of Reke, Greene, Brock, Noc, and Udoka gave us a little push. After Dallas pulled selected starters, including Dirk, we went on an 11-0 run to get within miracle distance in the last minute, and Westphal kept on calling timeouts to call plays -- not giving up.
 
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Suckioni= F
Sergio and Udoka= D


Why we played Andres "The Blackhole" Nocioni so much I'll never know.
 
I can't vote in that poll. I can't blame anybody for that loss. If they felt only 1/10th the loss of spirit that I felt after last night, then I can't blame them for just not having the heart to keep fighting against all odds tonight.
 
Nocioni...what the hell happened man? If you're shot's off, pass the ball, don't force bad shots. Also, Tyreke looked rusty. His passing game was pretty good, but he didn't shoot so well.

On the positive side: I really like Omri Casspi. His never quit attitude is refreshing after last years Kings. I think he could develop into a real player in this league. He has the shooting stroke, the athleticism, and the fire to be a damn good player. Something like a Hedo/Ginobli hybrid (though I'm not sure if he becomes quite that good, we'll see). Also, Donte played some good defense again. Too bad his shot wasn't falling. That missed dunk that magically went in was amusing.
 
JT came back big time, so did Casspi. Udrih did well. Evans seemed a bit gingerly in first half, "getting the rust off" as Fat Lever said in the 4 announcer confab in the 3rd and played better in 2nd half. B's and C's and couple D's but heck, after the Laker game, I had not much hope they could put together a good enough game against the Mavs.

Again TO's killed Kings. Pushing too much trying to be slick against a better team, better than the Lakers and Cavs so far.

Didn't vote for the "mediocre" poll as the followon game to what they did vs. Lakers last night left their tanks down quite a bit. Came back ok in 4th but tonight just was not going to be. They just got "out quicked" by the Mavs.

Overal happy with their effort for the most part. After 1st quarter never really got their rhythm going but good effort.
 
I can't vote in that poll. I can't blame anybody for that loss. If they felt only 1/10th the loss of spirit that I felt after last night, then I can't blame them for just not having the heart to keep fighting against all odds tonight.

Same here.
 
noc would look better... in another uniform

not blaming him... im just thinking we need to trade him for young legs and a 2nd rounder
 
noc would look better... in another uniform

not blaming him... im just thinking we need to trade him for young legs and a 2nd rounder

I don't know Noc that well, but it seems to me that he's a good player who is just going through a confidence slump. Perhaps we should cut him some slack?
 
I don't know Noc that well, but it seems to me that he's a good player who is just going through a confidence slump. Perhaps we should cut him some slack?

Probably should but someone has to be the scapegoat.:cool:
 
Wow, six votes for Tyreke? You guys are a tough crowd. Tyreke wasn't even suppose to suit up tonight, and he hadn't practiced all week. I think he played pretty damn well for not having practiced, only committing one TO.

We just didn't have any energy tonight. Part of that was the after-effects of the laker loss. Part of it is the schedule catching up to us, with very limited time off the past month. But still, the effort level was dissapointing. If Omri can go out there and get 22/11 on the 2nd night of a back 2 back, some other guys can show up to. But, we'll move on. The last 2 weeks showed us that this team can compete with anyone, and we have some of the best young talent in the league. It also showed we're not ready to close out games against elite teams.

But I'm looking forward to the next few weeks, with Tyreke getting back in the swing of things, and Kevin coming back hopefully late next week.
 
This is sucks.. the team play very well! you can see the kings have a realy bright future, but now, all these close loses are realy annoying.
Any ways..Casspi is the best player on the court for 3 games in a row.
 
its understandable to lose a couple of games due to inexperience and youth..... believe it or not we are over achieving....
 
Tyreke played pretty well considering his injury and this being his first gane back. Casspi is really impressive though. He and Tyreke have all-star potential.
 
Wow, six votes for Tyreke? You guys are a tough crowd. Tyreke wasn't even suppose to suit up tonight, and he hadn't practiced all week. I think he played pretty damn well for not having practiced, only committing one TO.

no excuses - when you suit up - you are ready to play

You either can or can't go in the NBA.
 
its understandable to lose a couple of games due to inexperience and youth..... believe it or not we are over achieving....

A whole lot more true than most of us realize. It's easy to forget we use 3 rookies in the rotation, 2 second year guys (tho' I contend Donte is more a rookie as last year he was nearly a zero), a total of six new players, new coach, new philosophy, bad economy killing attendance, etc, etc.

The fact we match up so well with Lakers and Cavs is amazing. The Mavs are better than the Lakers right now and not a one person team any more.

Think about how much better Kings will be when Kevin is back 100%, when Cisco is back and their combined experience and FT shooting. Can't wait. :)
 
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Dallas is a very good team. I think the Lakers could be in for a tough time of it if they end up in the conference finals agains the Mav's. Just judging from what I've seen in our two matchups, the Lakers look to have problems with very quick teams. They just look a step slow to me. That aside, the game turned out as I expected it to. Not as I hoped it would.

Too many turnovers, and lack of energy overall. Evans looked rusty, and seemed to just be feeling his way. Better in the second half. Casspi is turning out to be one of the most consistant players on the floor. Personal note to Westphal. Stop calling plays for Nocioni and start calling plays for Casspi.

Thompson bounced back from perhaps his worse game of the year. Unfortunately Hawes seem to return to prior form. Not terrible, just not significant in any way. Greene played well, but just couldn't get anything going offensively. Dallas had something to do with that. They're very tough inside.

I'm going to end with this. Sergio is a point guard. If there's one position on the floor you want consistancy from, its the point guard position. I'm at a point where I'm comfortable with Beno. I feel confident in what I'm going to get from him. I'm confident in what I'm going to get from Evans on a regular basis. But frankly, when Sergio comes into the game, he scares me to death. I have no clue what he's going to do, other than, I can guarantee you he will turn the ball over at some point. On some nights the rest of his game justifys his presence on the court. On other nights, he's just downright horrible. He is the true Dr. Jeckell and Mr. Hyde of point guards. He's very talented, but if he can't figure out who he is as a player, he'll never last in this league.
 
Dallas is a very good team. I think the Lakers could be in for a tough time of it if they end up in the conference finals agains the Mav's. Just judging from what I've seen in our two matchups, the Lakers look to have problems with very quick teams. They just look a step slow to me. That aside, the game turned out as I expected it to. Not as I hoped it would.

Too many turnovers, and lack of energy overall. Evans looked rusty, and seemed to just be feeling his way. Better in the second half. Casspi is turning out to be one of the most consistant players on the floor. Personal note to Westphal. Stop calling plays for Nocioni and start calling plays for Casspi.

Thompson bounced back from perhaps his worse game of the year. Unfortunately Hawes seem to return to prior form. Not terrible, just not significant in any way. Greene played well, but just couldn't get anything going offensively. Dallas had something to do with that. They're very tough inside.

I'm going to end with this. Sergio is a point guard. If there's one position on the floor you want consistancy from, its the point guard position. I'm at a point where I'm comfortable with Beno. I feel confident in what I'm going to get from him. I'm confident in what I'm going to get from Evans on a regular basis. But frankly, when Sergio comes into the game, he scares me to death. I have no clue what he's going to do, other than, I can guarantee you he will turn the ball over at some point. On some nights the rest of his game justifys his presence on the court. On other nights, he's just downright horrible. He is the true Dr. Jeckell and Mr. Hyde of point guards. He's very talented, but if he can't figure out who he is as a player, he'll never last in this league.

It seems like Sergio needs more patience. Seems like he's trying to make the assist or the basket on every possession, even when it's not feasible. Sometimes, he's just got to do an ordinary play and let the next guy get the assist or the basket.
 
It seems like Sergio needs more patience. Seems like he's trying to make the assist or the basket on every possession, even when it's not feasible. Sometimes, he's just got to do an ordinary play and let the next guy get the assist or the basket.

He's a very talented player, but for some reason likes to play on the edge all the time. Sometimes he dribbles the ball way too much with no apparent purpose. For a pt. guard he's almost a black hole at times. I don't mind him shooting the ball if the shot is there, but I'm not sure I want him dribbling the ball for 15 seconds trying to get his own shot. His strength is passing the basketball, and he should play to that strength and offensively just take whats there.

There have been times where I've seen Thompson, or Hawes and last night Evans and Beno, calling for the ball and being ignored by Sergio. Which would be great if he had some master plan. But on most occasions, he didn't. My hope is that with the playing time he's getting, he'll figure things out, and become consistant.
 
He's a very talented player, but for some reason likes to play on the edge all the time. Sometimes he dribbles the ball way too much with no apparent purpose. For a pt. guard he's almost a black hole at times. I don't mind him shooting the ball if the shot is there, but I'm not sure I want him dribbling the ball for 15 seconds trying to get his own shot. His strength is passing the basketball, and he should play to that strength and offensively just take whats there.

There have been times where I've seen Thompson, or Hawes and last night Evans and Beno, calling for the ball and being ignored by Sergio. Which would be great if he had some master plan. But on most occasions, he didn't. My hope is that with the playing time he's getting, he'll figure things out, and become consistant.

i totally agree but dont think the answer is with giving him steady mins... i think its his mind set.... he's said many times in different interviews that he is going to bolt back to europe because he thinks he a star and should be starting.... its that attitude that "im not the problem its them" is gonna get sergio no where... he needs to understand that he just needs to hold things together when hes in the game.... and if he did that maybe his playing time and trust by the team would increase.....

but i dont see that changing.. he thinks hes a star
 
he's said many times in different interviews that he is going to bolt back to europe because he thinks he a star and should be starting.... its that attitude that "im not the problem its them" is gonna get sergio no where...

Can you tell me where have you seen those declarations? I don't hear him complaining since he was in Portland...but anyway, I never haven't heared him saying he is a star and he should start. I think he's happier here altough he has the same minutes. It's not the same coming off the bench because you have Tyreke Evans and Beno Udrih above him than coming off the bench because you have Steve Blake (who has to got some incriminatory photos with McMillan, because he gets even Miller's minutes this year)

But at any point I heared complaining about not being a starter and thinking about himself as a star...I mean, never read anything like that.

I think he's trying to do so much, too. And he has gone a little selfish this last month... he has never been so selfish. But hell, he's still 23 and his minutes are not very regular (it's hard to be constant or get hot when you play 12 minutes divided into 3 appeareances on court). He has to learn to deal with that kind of things as he's not going to get solid 20 mpg in this team...but it's not easy.
 
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he has never been so selfish.
I agree.
I have a lot of thoughts about why is that, but I'm not sure what is true because we don't know everything about the team, like what the coach ask him to do and how Sergio's shot at practices.


Anyway, I uploaded this:

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