Grades v. Mavericks 11/20/09

[AriesMar27]

Tyreke with 29/10... I really don't care if he let Terry get his a couple of times. He played a good overall game. The 5 turnovers are okay too, he had 10 assists; if he had 7 turnovers it would be a problem but he didn't.

Beno with 20 and some clutch shots at the end. I still want him to be traded, if he keeps this up maybe he will be. Nelson is hurt again maybe the magic will take a chance with beno. Until that happens, I hope he keeps playing well.

Everyone else was pretty much normal. Thompson was in foul trouble, haws was punked out of the post by a undersized center and Sergio didn't get any minutes. Well he got like 3 minutes....

 

[Kings4life23]

overall good game just wish they would trade noc so donte could start he shined then got 11 minutes off the bench and to be honest i think he does better when he starts the same can not be said for spence haha.....

 

[AriesMar27]

overall good game just wish they would trade noc so donte could start he shined then got 11 minutes off the bench and to be honest i think he does better when he starts the same can not be said for spence haha.....

If we had another center to take his place we could try it but we don't. Hawes is all we have at center. Unless you want to start Thompson at center and nocioni or Thomas at pf... I wouldn't like it but you never know. It would actually work against the rockets.... All of their big men are under 6'8....

 

[vikinginferno]

No offense meant whatsoever, but people reading the debate you're having with yourself isn't as humorous as it probably is to you as you're typing it...

I thought it was hilarious and if he doesn't write that, then you know someone else will.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Right after Kings game I switched over to ESPN and tuned into their broadcast of a couple NBA games. It was half-time or maybe right after their first game, I forget. In the highlight package of just concluded games they showed Jennings going off (again) but in the Dallas-Sac contest did not show nor mention Tyreke Evans in Kings narrow road loss. Analyst Jalen Rose was going absolutely ga-ga over Jennings saying he should not only get ROY after only one-eight of season but be STARTING for East in NBA All-Star game. Thankfully, Avery Johnson the other side-kick quickly reacted by saying something like, "What, start? Not so fast." Basically, Avery was the calm, wise adult, the experienced coach, with some perspective. He too likes Jennings - just not ready to hand him all the trophies, rewards so incredibly early on in the season.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Tyreke Evans: 29pts 7reb 10ast
Brandon Jennings: 29pts 4reb 7ast

The way a rookie of the year race should be.

jsut what have we found ourselves here?

A beast.

 

[Merdiesel]

One thing I've noticed the past couple games is the lack of plays being ran for Casspi. He has the ability to go off from beyond the arc better than anybody healthy right now. We really should be having him shoot atleast 3-4 threes a game.


On a side note:

Another thing I noticed was with under 3 minutes left in the 3rd we had two balls go out of bounds on two seperate occasions. Both we're clearly off of a Dirk and both times the ref, who was 4 feet away mind you, gave the ball to the Mavs with no hesitation. The 1st time the other refs came over to correct him, the second time the call went uncorrected. I watched it on slow motion in hi def and I swear on all that is holy that the ref sees the ball hit Dirks hand and gives it to him anyways. This is completely unacceptable. I don't care if the game doesn't have meaning. This is flat out cheating. Whoever the black bald dude was who ref'd the game tonight is shady as ****. Dude clearly sees the ball go off Dirls hand and just goes with the crowd. Pethetic.

 

[LWP777]

One thing I've noticed the past couple games is the lack of plays being ran for Casspi. He has the ability to go off from beyond the arc better than anybody healthy right now. We really should be having him shoot atleast 3-4 threes a game.


On a side note:

Another thing I noticed was with under 3 minutes left in the 3rd we had two balls go out of bounds on two seperate occasions. Both we're clearly off of a Dirk and both times the ref, who was 4 feet away mind you, gave the ball to the Mavs with no hesitation. The 1st time the other refs came over to correct him, the second time the call went uncorrected. I watched it on slow motion in hi def and I swear on all that is holy that the ref sees the ball hit Dirks hand and gives it to him anyways. This is completely unacceptable. I don't care if the game doesn't have meaning. This is flat out cheating. Whoever the black bald dude was who ref'd the game tonight is shady as ****. Dude clearly sees the ball go off Dirls hand and just goes with the crowd. Pethetic.

Yeah, that was Derrick Stafford and he's been known to have issues with the Kings in the past. He and Rick Adelman didn't get along very well back in the Webber days. I don't normally complain about the refereeing because I think overall they do a very good job and basketball is easily the hardest sport to referee but I think the Kings tonight were on the short end of a lot of calls. The Mavs were the beneficiaries of so many cheap "And 1's" tonight it was sick and what ticked me off is when JT had that running layup in the open floor late in the game and Dirk smacked him hard across the arm and there was no foul. I actually think Dirk was trying to foul him on that play yet there was no whistle.

Regardless, it wasn't the referees fault the Kings lost. It was the 21 TO's with many of them being completely unforced and unnecessary.

 

[Arco Thunder]

Ah come on. I laughed.



Ok, I smirked.

I confess...

...a lot of laughing over here.

 

[bajaden]

I watched the game a second time. Yeah, I know, I'm a gluten for punishment. There was some obvious mixups between Hawes and Thompson on the defensive end. Several times Hawes actually blocked Thompson out from getting a rebound. Twice when Hawes got caught in a switch Thompson picked up his man (Gooden), and when Thompson went to switch back, Hawes stayed where he was and Gooden ended up getting a dunk behind Thompson's back. If you rewatch the game you'll see Thompson yelling at Hawes after the play. Gooden ended up pulling down 10 offensive rebounds. Way too many. Gooden is a good player, but he's not that good. It appeared that the Kings were having Thompson guard the smaller man so he could double on Dirk if needed.

Anyway, someone was not doing what they were suspossed to be doing on the defensive end. It appears to me to be Hawes, but without knowing what their assignments were, who knows? The bottom line is that you can't give a good team like Dallas an extra 20 plus possessions and expect to win.

 

[Emma]

Yeah, I know, I'm a gluten for punishment.

You should have that looked at. It feels odd to know that you may have Celiac Disease Bajaden.






Edit: That was way too high brow. I can hear planes of understanding buzzing clear over the heads of forum members as I type.

 

[gunks]

Ugh, Hawes.

I still feel its too early to give up on him. But I'm not as optimistic as I once was. Still, its his first season with a real coach, maybe he's always needed that (his personality would certainly indicate as much), perhaps we'll start seeing flashes again from him in a month or so.

As for the ROY race, if will probably come down to the winningest team, and Jennings is powering the Bucks right now. Reke though...Wow. Kevin isnt allowed 20 shots anymore when he gets back. If he can settle back into being a # 2 guy and do what he used to do at his old efficiency rate? We got ourselves a scary backcourt.

 

[AriesMar27]

martin can still get 20 shots if nocioni can get 15 shots in 24 minutes martin shouldnt have any problems....

 

[PoundForPound]

Casspi does not a deserve a B. He had turnovers and fouls that hurt us a lot and changed momentum. Also he went 0 for from three, which we needed badly. He gets a C- in my book.

 

[kingzallday]

casspi Does Not A Deserve A B. He Had Turnovers And Fouls That Hurt Us A Lot And Changed Momentum. Also He Went 0 For From Three, Which We Needed Badly. He Gets A C- In My Book.

+1.

 

[VF21]

You should have that looked at. It feels odd to know that you may have Celiac Disease Bajaden.






Edit: That was way too high brow. I can hear planes of understanding buzzing clear over the heads of forum members as I type.

I thought it was a hive of bees...

 

[fnordius]

Beno with 20 and some clutch shots at the end. I still want him to be traded

Traded? Why, and for what?

We aren't overstocked on quality PGs. Sergio runs the offense well, but needs to improve his shooting and D before he'll be a reasonable option as a starter, and our success this year has been with a dual-guard arrangement, meaning that we should have a minimum of 3 PGs or combo guards on the roster. We need a C, but there's approximately nothing available in Beno's price range, so he'd have to be part of a package deal. And then we'd be filling one gap but creating another.

When Beno signed his contract, I complained that it was too long. I still feel that way, but I don't see anything beneficial we can do about it right now, unless we're trying to tank away the rest of this season, which I don't think the FO is willing to do. The FO's priorities right now are probably: ticket sales, ticket sales, and ticket sales.

So what were you thinking we'd do with him?

 

[Kingster]

Now some numbers...let's call them food for thought. Since Kevin Martin went down, Tyrke Evans is averaging 24.0ppg on.485 shooting, 6.0reb 5.8ast. He is doing this in the face of incredible defensive pressure normally reserved for the likes of Kobe Bryant. He is doing it at age 20, as a rookie. Dwayne Wade was a 22yr old rookie. His rookie numbers? 16.2pts 4.0reb 4.5ast on .465 shooting. LeBron James wasa a 19yr old rookie. His rookie numbers? 20.9pts 5.5reb 5.9ast on .417 shooting. I won't even bother with Kobe's rookie numbers as an 18yr old, ebcause they sucked. But Kobe as a 20 yr old? 3 years in the league? 19.9pts 5.3reb 3.8ast on .465. Brandon Roy, age 22, 16.8pts 4.4reb 4.0ast. Last year's ROY Derrick Rose? 16.8pts 3.9reb 6.3ast on .475. So the question becoems, jsut what have we found ourselves here?

Well, not to rain on the parade, but are the averages of these players annual averages or just averages for the first 11 games of the season? We all know rookies tend to hit a wall at some point in the season, and that could really bring down Tyreke's annual numbers. We'll see at the end of the year. As for what we've got. Well, I said after we got the #4 pick that we should choose him because he could be a superstar if he developed an outside shot. My opinion hasn't changed.

 

[SkinnerBox]

Udrih ( B )...After getting blown by Dallas's own rookie PG Rodrique Beaubois (actually Dallas's entire backcourt...)

I missed that part.

 

[Gary]

Since Martin has been injured...

24.0ppg 6.0rpg 5.8apg 1.3spg 3.2to/g
fg%47.9 --- 3pt%43.8



Those are Dwane Wade type numbers. I am sure the 3pt% should come down a bit as he isn't a great outside shooter, but nice all around stats.

I am bringing that up because Yahoo! does a piece every week on their MVP rankings and Jennings has made the list as their #10.. I feel Evans should at least get a mention for his play since Martin has been out.

 

[vikinginferno]

Well, not to rain on the parade, but are the averages of these players annual averages or just averages for the first 11 games of the season? We all know rookies tend to hit a wall at some point in the season, and that could really bring down Tyreke's annual numbers. We'll see at the end of the year. As for what we've got. Well, I said after we got the #4 pick that we should choose him because he could be a superstar if he developed an outside shot. My opinion hasn't changed.

I think Reke will be one of the players that does not hit that wall. IMO he is ready for an NBA season, he's got the body, conditioning, and mindset to. I think he will actually grow in his rookie season and it's scary seeing him progress as he is already playing like a star.

 

[Section 101]

Since Martin has been injured...

24.0ppg 6.0rpg 5.8apg 1.3spg 3.2to/g
fg%47.9 --- 3pt%43.8



Those are Dwane Wade type numbers. I am sure the 3pt% should come down a bit as he isn't a great outside shooter, but nice all around stats.

I am bringing that up because Yahoo! does a piece every week on their MVP rankings and Jennings has made the list as their #10.. I feel Evans should at least get a mention for his play since Martin has been out.

Maybe it's not since martin was injured, but since Beno has been starting.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Tyreke Evans: 29pts 7reb 10ast
Brandon Jennings: 29pts 4reb 7ast

The way a rookie of the year race should be.


Now some numbers...let's call them food for thought. Since Kevin Martin went down, Tyrke Evans is averaging 24.0ppg on.485 shooting, 6.0reb 5.8ast. He is doing this in the face of incredible defensive pressure normally reserved for the likes of Kobe Bryant. He is doing it at age 20, as a rookie. Dwayne Wade was a 22yr old rookie. His rookie numbers? 16.2pts 4.0reb 4.5ast on .465 shooting. LeBron James wasa a 19yr old rookie. His rookie numbers? 20.9pts 5.5reb 5.9ast on .417 shooting. I won't even bother with Kobe's rookie numbers as an 18yr old, ebcause they sucked. But Kobe as a 20 yr old? 3 years in the league? 19.9pts 5.3reb 3.8ast on .465. Brandon Roy, age 22, 16.8pts 4.4reb 4.0ast. Last year's ROY Derrick Rose? 16.8pts 3.9reb 6.3ast on .475. So the question becoems, jsut what have we found ourselves here?

One of the best and most encouraging things I have ever read on this board. Bricklayer as an optimist. This might take some getting used to

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I think Reke will be one of the players that does not hit that wall. IMO he is ready for an NBA season, he's got the body, conditioning, and mindset to. I think he will actually grow in his rookie season and it's scary seeing him progress as he is already playing like a star.

Most rooks hit the rookie wall. That being said, it shouldn't affect Tyreke that much, given his many tricks. Rooks that only have one or two tricks take the brunt of the damage

 

[Kingster]

I think Reke will be one of the players that does not hit that wall. IMO he is ready for an NBA season, he's got the body, conditioning, and mindset to. I think he will actually grow in his rookie season and it's scary seeing him progress as he is already playing like a star.

We'll see. He's usually being asked to guard the other team's best guard, so that does require a lot of energy. I won't be freaking out if he does hit the wall...

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I missed that part.

Apparently this was a much more entertaining half time show than normal. Definitely a lot more provocative than the average jugglers or dancers.

 

[VF21]

Just a reminder - this is a family friendly board. I think this ^^^ particular line of discussion has gone about as far as it can go within acceptible parameters.