[Grades] Grades v. Magic 02/27/2013

Who is most responsible for the sudden turn in playstyle the last couple of games?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 11 33.3%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Reke

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • New guys

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Smart

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • It tis a mystery

    Votes: 12 36.4%

  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

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In a clear spillover from what really was a "great loss" against Miami, our starting unit, sans IT who was quickly out of the game with fouls, just played the game the way you are supposed to play it, met little resistance against a terrible Orlando team that were 4-28 over their last 32 games, and the blowout was in fullforce within 10 minutes of the opening whistle. Orlando never did mount a significant run against either our starters or backups. We weren't as brilliant after half, but it did not matter as for just about the first time I can remember this season we hammered a team and were able to have our starters joking over on the bench for the final 12-15min of he game. I mean, that NEVER happens to us anymore. We're always on the other end. So, likely the best 2-game stretch of basketball we've had all year.


No Baja sauce on the Grading Consortium for tonight:
Bricklayer
Capt. Factorial


Boxscore

Stats: 22min 21pts (7-9, 4-5, 3-3) 1reb 5ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Salmons ( A ) -- funny thing in a game like this, but you actually end up taking fewer notes than you do in a normal game because everything is going so well and its clear you're gonig to win the game form so early, that no particular play is likely to make that big a difference and its more fun just to sit back and watch the rout. I have as many about John as anyone, but aside from a solitary 1 on 1 forced drive in the first quarter, that was out of character for both him and us in this game, it was na allmost boring parade of sueprlatives. Basically right now John is hitting all of his shots, he's moving the ball unselfishly, and while there wasn't much to say about hsi defense tonight, he's at least attenive on that end. I was a little annoyed in the early going when out of a timeout Smart AGAIN called the play for John frickin' Salmons...but John responded on it wiht a big drive and dunk that got the bench up and laughing because Salmons almost never dunks, certainly not with authority. Came upw itha couple of what in this game could basically be called important palys as we came out predictably gflat about the first half blowout, but John's +1 drive, and then another three point bomb bumped the lead right back out and kickstarted us to jsut walk this home like professionals. I don't require perfection to get a straight A, I just want it to be up at the very high end fo a game we are likely to see out of a guy. And 21pts on 7-9 shooting in 22min, 5ast, in a blowout win is pretty much as good as you can ever ratioanlly hope for out of John. This was an A as he continued his run of strong play. --Brick

Stats: 22min 8pts (3-7, 0-0, 2-2) 7reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- speaking of guys I have few notes for, Jason was pretty much the only guy on the court in the early going who didn't really particpate much in the party. He was quiet to start, and ceded the entire second quarter to Patterson, who played well. By the time Jason returned for the third, the game was pretty much over. Got into a little scrappiness with Nicholson on the glass and did a little better than before half, but I don't think there was a single notable play he made in his minutes. --Brick

Stats: 24min 13pts (4-10, 0-0, 5-6) 6reb 4ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Cousins ( B ) -- another good start in all ways, and what on paper might have looked like a good matchup between tow good young centers quickly turned into a rout as Vucevic had nothing and DeMarcus was just too powerful and clever for him from the start. But it wasn't just about Boogie individually beating Viucevic, it was how comfortable he was out there and how happy he was to function as a passer to help everybody get involved. Only thing that was off was his jumper. Started the third sluggish and then got out of sorts as the Magic were physical to the point of openly provocative against him. For a while I thought it was going to get the better of him as he started getting into it with the refs and his defense suffered as he allowed several open jumpers. But it wasn't going to be that night for him or us, he avoided the technical, continued making plays, and Coach Smart wisely yanked him before the end of the third before anything could go stupidly wrong in a game we'd won half an hour ago. --Brick

Stats: 26min 17pts (7-11, 0-0, 3-4) 3reb 7ast 4stl 0blk 1TO
Evans ( A- ) -- Tyreke had a pretty good night - the highlight was of course at the end of the first quarter (back when the game was still in doubt!) when he made an amazing pass over-the-shoulder to Patterson for a dunk, then on the next possession stole the ball and ran the break leading to a behind-the-back wrap off of the dribble leading to a kick to Jimmer for a 3. Had that sequence happened in STA, we'd have brought the roof down. Tyreke hit six layups tonight, three in transition, two off of the drive, and one off of the cut, and when he does that it works wonders for both our shooting percentage and our probability of winning. He did, however, miss two layups on coast-to-coast attempts going into traffic, so there's a fine line between getting out there and forcing the issue. Tyreke had seven assists tonight, and at least 5 of those were to three-point shooters (I've only got 6 in my notes so I don't know about that last one). Defensively it was a mixed bag. I loved his four steals, though two were wasted with a turnover in transition and a bad alley-oop pass to Cuz. But there were a lot of possessions in the third where he wasn't really putting forward full effort, even though he finished the game allowing a respectable 8 points on 8 shots. Altogether, a very nice game but a few warts here and there that prevented me from giving him the full A. --Capt.

Stats: 14min 2pts (1-2, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
Thomas ( INC ) -- IT picked up two very quick fouls and was taken out of the game before two minutes had passed. By the time he came back in, the game was already a laugher and he just was not terribly involved in the offense. He threaded an alley-oop pass to DeMarcus in traffic but outside of that didn't do anything notable offensively in the third, and he got a well-deserved break for the fourth. However, it did look like IT was focusing on defense during the third. He had two separate possessions in the late third where he stayed in front of Beno when he tried to drive, and he did a much better job getting both under and around screens. He didn't really play in enough minuted to earn a grade, but if he can carry that defensive effort into games that are contested, I'll be a very happy Kings fan. --Capt.
 
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Bench

Stats: 27min 13pts (5-9, 3-4, 0-0) 1reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
Fredette ( B ) -- Jimmer's game tonight could best be summed up thusly: if he tried to create something for himself things went quite badly. If he spotted up and let others create for him, things went swimmingly (4 of his 5 made FGs were assisted). Got in early with IT in quick foul trouble, and while he was immediately shot over on defense, he was in a perfect position with the rest of the starters moving the ball so well. Three times he was left open on the perimeter and found by teammates for 3pt splashes. Added a couple of assists of his own -- while he was clearly not running the show whatever his title on the court (that was mostly Reke and Salmons) he at least got in some of the spirit of it. He did attempt a few unnecessary 1 on 1 Jimmer drives -- that quit working months ago, and if he's out there with the starters and we need a guard to do that, I'll go with the 6'5" one thx. Play in the extended garbage minutes was not as satisfactory, as being out there with, ahem, "aggressive" offensive players like Thornton and Johsnon seemed to trigger a rethinking on his own part of the merits of unselfishness. Result was some forces and turnovers, although he did finally get a spinner in the paint off his dribble for his only non-assisted score of the night. Picked a good night to flash a little something here, as his recent weak play and our acquistion fo yet another tweener PG/SG guard in Toney Douglas, who looked good tonight, would seem to pose an imminent threat to his minutes. --Brick

Stats: 23min 20pts (6-13, 2-8, 6-7) 8reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Thornton ( B ) -- just kept on pouring it on after entering the game fairly early again, barely breaking stride from the Miami game as he turned in probably his best back to back games of the season. But this one was a little more classic Thronton than special Thornton. That is to say you could feel him working for hard for his shots, and his shots alone. Turned selfish as the game got garbagey, but at least helped on the boards. In very sudden fashion it looks like he's back. But the guy tonight is going to be harder to reintegrate than the guy last night. --Brick

Stats: 24min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Hayes ( D+ ) -- hey look what I found? Somebody actually ineffective off the bench. A staggering big ball of nothing tonight out of Chuck. he had one moment and one moment only despite playing half the game -- connecting with a beautiful wraparound pass to MT on the back cut. But other than that one sterling first half pass that was very much in the spirit of what we were doing, he made about as much contribution as I did. In fact you could have probably put me out there instead of him and not suffered for the change. I too am too short to play center in the NBA and could be perfectly content to stand in the paint texting at the low low cost of $70k as game as the game went on around me. Too bad Aldrich wasn't ready. He blew a golden opportunity to get these minutes. How often do we get good garbagetime minutes? Chuck certainly didn't do anything with them.--Brick

Stats: 26min 13pts (5-8, 0-1, 3-4) 7reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Patterson ( B ) -- Patterson played really well in the first half, scoring 10 points on 5-6 shooting and playing mostly solid D. He harassed Harris into a near-turnover and ran over to challenge a Harrington 3 that ultimately missed. He forced two misses in the post and even blocked Beno on a drive. In the second half, he wasn't quite as solid and ended up the game allowing 10 points on 8 shots. His seven rebounds are probably a bit more than we expect from him in 26 minutes, but he did have a few problems on the boards, at least twice failing to successfully box out his man leading to a putback. All in all, I know it was Orlando and all, but today he was better than advertised. I'd take this Patterson every day if he can show up. --Capt.

Stats: 20min 10pts (5-10, 0-1, 0-2) 3reb 2ast 3stl 1blk 3TO
Johnson ( D+ ) -- I think I can safely say that I did not enjoy watching James Johnson tonight. He was forcing his own offense all night and while it finally started to work, that wasn't really until the game was safe - when a disastrous comeback was still in range, JJ spent a lot of time missing bad shots. His defense wasn't standout, either. Though he did block Afflalo on a drive, another time he allowed Beno to take him right to the rim. I can't ignore that he scored 10 points, but I don't think he really helped us much - you'll note that he was the only player on the team with a negative +/- tonight in a 24-point win --Capt.

Stats: 12min 8pts (3-4, 1-2, 1-1) 2reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Douglas ( B ) -- I know that Douglas actually player two fewer minutes than Thomas (who I gave an INC), but Douglas was much more involved in the game on both ends and actually impressed me. He was playing very aggressive D - in one of his very first possessions E'Twaun Moore was trying to get rid of him like he was a pox blanket and finally had to desperately heave the ball to somebody else. Beno got around him twice but he made up for that by staying in front of his man most of the time and getting two nice steals on consecutive possessions during garbagetime, getting an outlet assist on the break on the second. He went three of four from the floor, hitting one of his two threes and showing off some quicks on a drive to the basket. I thought he'd ride the deep bench, but I'm willing to watch some more of what he gave us tonight. --Capt.
 
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Didn't get to see the game tonight (of course :( ) BUT man I'm so happy for our guys. Hopefully, playing the champs like we did last night gave us a newfound confidence in ourselves.
 
In a bizarre turn of events....Its looking like we won the T-Rob for Pit-Pat trade.


GP DOES IT AGAIN!!!!!


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I voted IT. Not so much because of what he's doing but what he's not doing, which is a good thing IMO.
 
I agree that Douglas is a threat to Jimmer's minutes. I think he should be an easy 4th on the depth chart of our guards. His defense is head and shoulders better than Jimmer's and he seems like an efficient decision maker with the ball in his hands, though not a creator type. If he has space, he looks to be a good outside shooter, and the runner he displayed a couple of games ago is something I haven't seen in his arsenal. I watched Douglas quite a few times at Florida State. He's a tough dude and isn't afraid to make big shots.

Jimmer continues to look out of place when he dribbles the ball. He spends too much time dribbling without getting anywhere, or if he gets somewhere it occurs at an almost painfully slow pace. Lately, he's spent way too much time trying to hunt for his own shot. Thornton must go or Jimmer must go. They are both primarily shooters, with Thornton having the nod in defense/rebounding, whereas Jimmer has a superior BBIQ.
 
I agree that Douglas is a threat to Jimmer's minutes. I think he should be an easy 4th on the depth chart of our guards. His defense is head and shoulders better than Jimmer's and he seems like an efficient decision maker with the ball in his hands, though not a creator type. If he has space, he looks to be a good outside shooter, and the runner he displayed a couple of games ago is something I haven't seen in his arsenal. I watched Douglas quite a few times at Florida State. He's a tough dude and isn't afraid to make big shots.

Jimmer continues to look out of place when he dribbles the ball. He spends too much time dribbling without getting anywhere, or if he gets somewhere it occurs at an almost painfully slow pace. Lately, he's spent way too much time trying to hunt for his own shot. Thornton must go or Jimmer must go. They are both primarily shooters, with Thornton having the nod in defense/rebounding, whereas Jimmer has a superior BBIQ.

Well said. Douglas' speed surprised me the most. He is really, really fast.
 
I don't think it's fair to let IT escape with an "INC" for his performance last night. He played 14 very ineffective minutes and he limited himself by getting into early foul trouble. He needs to be held accountable for that. I think a grade of D or D- would have been more appropriate.

Giving him an INC is like letting a student in college withdrawl before the last week when he has an F for the work he's turned in up to that point.
 
I don't think it's fair to let IT escape with an "INC" for his performance last night. He played 14 very ineffective minutes and he limited himself by getting into early foul trouble. He needs to be held accountable for that. I think a grade of D or D- would have been more appropriate.

Giving him an INC is like letting a student in college withdrawl before the last week when he has an F for the work he's turned in up to that point.

You don't have to think it's fair.

But I will say that it's not exactly his fault that he didn't get any minutes in the entire first half after his two fouls. How often does a point guard foul out of a game? Almost never. Smart could easily have left him in instead of yanking him, and he could have easily given him a chance to start the second quarter when the game was still in doubt, but he didn't.

So instead of minutes when it mattered, IT came in during the middle stages of a blowout and played 12 minutes where he didn't disrupt the offensive flow, letting what had already been working keep going, and instead he focused on his defense (which was once again improved). Had IT come in during a close game and done nothing while the game escaped us, sure, that's a D. But he came in when we had a 23 point lead and stayed out of the way while the game went up to a 30 point lead. During that time, he basically did nothing wrong on court. That's not a D. But as he didn't do a whole lot to advance the lead (and didn't have to) it's not a B, either. Incomplete.
 
I don't think it's fair to let IT escape with an "INC" for his performance last night. He played 14 very ineffective minutes and he limited himself by getting into early foul trouble. He needs to be held accountable for that. I think a grade of D or D- would have been more appropriate.

Giving him an INC is like letting a student in college withdrawl before the last week when he has an F for the work he's turned in up to that point.

Totally disagree on this. Only Smart would keep his starting guard out for an extended period with two fouls. Even the homers Grant and Jerry made a comment on that. He can be held accountable for the two fouls, but not the consequence of the two fouls. That's Smart's doing.
 
I don't think it's fair to let IT escape with an "INC" for his performance last night. He played 14 very ineffective minutes and he limited himself by getting into early foul trouble. He needs to be held accountable for that. I think a grade of D or D- would have been more appropriate.

Giving him an INC is like letting a student in college withdrawl before the last week when he has an F for the work he's turned in up to that point.

As a rule if a guy gets dramatically fewer minutes than he normally does in his role, and if the reason for the lesser minutes isn't because he sucked so bad he was benched (i.e. injuries or whatever) I often INC them because they haven't been able to complete their argument. IT had no part to play in this win except perhaps by not getting in the way of it. But he also only had a few minutes to even be a part of it. Its not a terrible INC.
 
I don't think it's fair to let IT escape with an "INC" for his performance last night. He played 14 very ineffective minutes and he limited himself by getting into early foul trouble. He needs to be held accountable for that. I think a grade of D or D- would have been more appropriate.

Giving him an INC is like letting a student in college withdrawl before the last week when he has an F for the work he's turned in up to that point.
What was thef score when he left in the first Q? I thought we were ahead and playing well. In that situayion how can the PG get less than a "B"? Who do you think got the ball to the player who got the assist? Come on.
 
Steph Curry dropped 54 last night night in a full 48 minutes, the same guy who rode the bench under smart. this coach just doesn't know how to develop and utilize talent. if smart has a hot starter he ussually just panics and pulls him for a quarter. sadly the lineup we used in garbage time would probably be the same lineup if the game was close, up until the 3 min mark or so left in the fourth. ive noticed on more than a few occasions grant and jerry wonder outloud why a certain player or players is getting "extended rest". Grants biting his tongue for now being the mouthpiece that he is but you can bet when smarts fired the first thing he will rant about is his wacky rotations.
 
I agree that Douglas is a threat to Jimmer's minutes. I think he should be an easy 4th on the depth chart of our guards. His defense is head and shoulders better than Jimmer's and he seems like an efficient decision maker with the ball in his hands, though not a creator type. If he has space, he looks to be a good outside shooter, and the runner he displayed a couple of games ago is something I haven't seen in his arsenal. I watched Douglas quite a few times at Florida State. He's a tough dude and isn't afraid to make big shots.

Jimmer continues to look out of place when he dribbles the ball. He spends too much time dribbling without getting anywhere, or if he gets somewhere it occurs at an almost painfully slow pace. Lately, he's spent way too much time trying to hunt for his own shot. Thornton must go or Jimmer must go. They are both primarily shooters, with Thornton having the nod in defense/rebounding, whereas Jimmer has a superior BBIQ.

I just want to correct one thing. Douglas isn't a better defender than Jimmer. Douglas is a better defender than Jimmer, Brooks, and IT combined. Period! You see what happens, is we caught up in our own little bubble where we only see our own, eat our own, and compare against our own. Then someone like Douglas comes in and exposes them for what they are. Defensive wannabee's! Douglas was a very good defender in college, and it appears he hasn't lost the touch. He certainly deserves a good look before the season ends. He's as quick at IT, handles the ball well, and just based on one performance, seems to look for his teammates before himself. Just one game, but I certainly took notice.
 
I don't think it's fair to let IT escape with an "INC" for his performance last night. He played 14 very ineffective minutes and he limited himself by getting into early foul trouble. He needs to be held accountable for that. I think a grade of D or D- would have been more appropriate.

Giving him an INC is like letting a student in college withdrawl before the last week when he has an F for the work he's turned in up to that point.

No offense, but this is why were giving out the grades and not you. None of us have an agenda one way or the other. Personally, I'm not a big fan of IT's. However, I would have given him the same score as the Capt did. And for the same reasons that have been stated. It was his fault perhaps that he had two quick fouls, but not his fault that he was kept on the bench for as long as he was. Personally, I thought that Smart saw it as an opportunity to give some playing time to Douglas, and use the two fouls as the reason. INC was the right score!
 
No offense, but this is why were giving out the grades and not you. None of us have an agenda one way or the other. Personally, I'm not a big fan of IT's. However, I would have given him the same score as the Capt did. And for the same reasons that have been stated. It was his fault perhaps that he had two quick fouls, but not his fault that he was kept on the bench for as long as he was. Personally, I thought that Smart saw it as an opportunity to give some playing time to Douglas, and use the two fouls as the reason. INC was the right score!

The only agenda I have is with DMC. I actually like IT and have defended him. I just want players to be held accountable. You can't play 14 minutes and get out with an INC. That's not the way the real world works. Unfortunately, there are people in here who are living in fantasy land!
 
I just want players to be held accountable. You can't play 14 minutes and get out with an INC. That's not the way the real world works. Unfortunately, there are people in here who are living in fantasy land!

"How the real world works"?!? The only person living in fantasy land here is the one who brings up "the real world" as if a grades thread on a message board means ****ing anything.
 
The only agenda I have is with DMC. I actually like IT and have defended him. I just want players to be held accountable. You can't play 14 minutes and get out with an INC. That's not the way the real world works. Unfortunately, there are people in here who are living in fantasy land!

Again, please take this opportunity to post your own grades for the players and a summary write-up backing your decisions.
 
Steph Curry dropped 54 last night night in a full 48 minutes, the same guy who rode the bench under smart. this coach just doesn't know how to develop and utilize talent. if smart has a hot starter he ussually just panics and pulls him for a quarter. sadly the lineup we used in garbage time would probably be the same lineup if the game was close, up until the 3 min mark or so left in the fourth. ive noticed on more than a few occasions grant and jerry wonder outloud why a certain player or players is getting "extended rest". Grants biting his tongue for now being the mouthpiece that he is but you can bet when smarts fired the first thing he will rant about is his wacky rotations.
Something I brought up last year which many wanted to ignore about Smart as they preferred not looking at his coaching history and instead just hoped he'd suddenly figure it out. Smart killed Steph's effectiveness in GS. Often pulled him for long stretches and held him out until late in 4th quarters. Who was the stud Smart decided needed playing time over Steph? Acie Law.

But everyone must play, right? Reke often gets the same treatment from Smart that Steph got. Smart had to go for Steph to come into his own. We see the same crap here with Reke. Funny thing is even if GS did win a random game under Smart, the media here didn't let him off the hook and still called out his use of Steph and sub patterns, whereas here fans and media ignore the overall strategy when we get a random win, as if one random win negates a flawed overall body of work. Pretty short sided when we're 4-14 in our last 18, which is an impressive .222 winning % over our last 18.
 
Something I brought up last year which many wanted to ignore about Smart as they preferred not looking at his coaching history and instead just hoped he'd suddenly figure it out. Smart killed Steph's effectiveness in GS. Often pulled him for long stretches and held him out until late in 4th quarters. Who was the stud Smart decided needed playing time over Steph? Acie Law.

But everyone must play, right? Reke often gets the same treatment from Smart that Steph got. Smart had to go for Steph to come into his own. We see the same crap here with Reke. Funny thing is even if GS did win a random game under Smart, the media here didn't let him off the hook and still called out his use of Steph and sub patterns, whereas here fans and media ignore the overall strategy when we get a random win, as if one random win negates a flawed overall body of work. Pretty short sided when we're 4-14 in our last 18, which is an impressive .222 winning % over our last 18.

What's even worse, is that Tyreke has been perceived as someone who did not get better this year because of the weird rotations. This years version of Tyreke Evans is the best he's been ever since his rookie year. His career and reputation have been tarnished by this organization.
 
The only agenda I have is with DMC. I actually like IT and have defended him. I just want players to be held accountable. You can't play 14 minutes and get out with an INC. That's not the way the real world works. Unfortunately, there are people in here who are living in fantasy land!

Glad to see that you admit to having an agenda, and that your living in a fantasy land. Nice place to visit, but not a place you want to live.
 
I just want to correct one thing. Douglas isn't a better defender than Jimmer. Douglas is a better defender than Jimmer, Brooks, and IT combined. Period! You see what happens, is we caught up in our own little bubble where we only see our own, eat our own, and compare against our own. Then someone like Douglas comes in and exposes them for what they are. Defensive wannabee's! Douglas was a very good defender in college, and it appears he hasn't lost the touch. He certainly deserves a good look before the season ends. He's as quick at IT, handles the ball well, and just based on one performance, seems to look for his teammates before himself. Just one game, but I certainly took notice.

I'd rank Douglas just behind Tyreke, and IT in 3rd place. In some matchups against smaller guys, I might prefer Douglas over Tyreke, whereas I'd take Tyreke against the bigger guards. Then there's a pretty big drop off with the group of Brooks, Thornton, and finally Jimmer.

I'd like to see Douglas play against Westbrook. Westbrook gave IT fits with his size (IT fouled out) the last game, and then he gave Tyreke fits with his quickness (Tyreke laid off of him about 15 feet, leaving Westbrook out there to throw passes for tons of easy assists). Maybe Douglas has the right size/quickness ratio to make it more difficult for him out there.

I'm hoping that Douglas can come into his own offensively with the Kings. I liked him a lot at Florida St. As you know, he was the offense at Florida St; nobody else could score. He also has leadership abilities and he's tough as nails. He's 26, which is just at the very beginning of entering into his prime. Maybe he can be the ingredient that makes me feel better about the trade.
 
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