[Grades] Grades v. Jazz 2/18/12

Ignoring Honeycutt/Whiteside, how many of our 12 guys would you bring back next year?

  • 1-2

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • 3

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4

    Votes: 5 8.1%
  • 5

    Votes: 8 12.9%
  • 6

    Votes: 10 16.1%
  • 7

    Votes: 16 25.8%
  • 8

    Votes: 16 25.8%
  • 9

    Votes: 4 6.5%
  • 10

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • 11-12

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Whew!

We're kind of in playoff crunchtime now -- I don't know how long we can keep up the pretense of being in the hunt, but its kind of a given that we can't give away many of these easier ones at home.

For those like myself stuck with the Jazz feed, this was apparently the Kings feed intro:


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Evans ( D+ ) -- a couple of good passes to Thornton cutting behind all the attention Reke was drawing, but otherwise looked uncomfortable out there and struggled in just enough out of rhythm points to be mildly productive. Offensive positioning as a "SF" has him out of his comfort zones on the elbows and either just feeding Cousins in the post on the left side, or way around on the rightside with only half the court to work with because of the baseline. Also as a SF has him spotting up for corner threes. Everybody shudder now. Most effective when he was able to bring the ball back around to the top of the key where he could go either left or right, and actually seemed to be getting it going a little bit in the third before another of those odd little spastic coaching moves Smart has been prone to of late, as Reke was left on the bench nearly the entire 4th in favor of John Salmons, back from the IR to the cheers of two penguins in Antartica. By the time he finally got back in in the final two minutes, seemed to clearly be feeling the pressure to do something, almost turning it over, and then throwing up a bricked three against the clock.

Thompson ( B ) -- another roleplayer's paradise game, providing backline support for Cousins, filling in when the big guy was out, hitting the offensive boards, and outperforming Milsap by just keeping it simple. Actually did not do as well againt Favors, who was too active and mobile for JT in spurts. But Favors was nice enough to miss some chippees, Jason did not for once, and he capped his night with a big dunk out on the break inside of three minutes to go to ut us up 6.
Kingsflix has sort of fallen off with puttting out too many of the good plays after games, so gonna supply a few random vids of my own.

Cousins ( A- ) -- had to shake my head at the TNT dufuses calling for DeMarcus to go for 28 and 10, simply because Boogie can grab 10rebs in a half and was back to beasting to kick of the second half of the season. Too mobile for Big Al early and going right around him, had a beastly possession in the early 2nd grabbing multiple boards and lose balls, getting stripped, grabbing them again, and finally getting fouled out of pure persistence. Alaremed briefly when he pulled up for a three in the late 2nd --let's call it an allstar hangover and not see anymore of that. Was dominating the third, but three quick fouls in the quarter could have doomed us. Fortunately Reke was able to step it up, IT woke up, and Thronton closed the quarter with a one man rush. By the time Cousins returned in the mid 4th he got to watch first Salmons an then IT have trouble getting it to him in the post. He chipped in with a pair of hoops down the stretch, but a bizarre and potentially game losing technical (for getting into it with Devin Harris) called on him at the 2:20 mark kind of tarnished the effort a bit -- what a time and what a call. Other than taking a somewhat questionable charge at the 15 second mark, was not a factor in the final two minutes after the call as it was all little guys. There's really not any "minus" to this A as DeMarcus was simply the best player on the floor by a lot. But he did self limit himself with the fouls, and then the dumb late technical again, and in general as good *** this was he's still got another gear somewhere out there.
See what I mean? That's a pretty good play. But the one and only play kingsflix chooses to put out from the whole game? You kingsflix guys! Get with it!

Thornton ( B- ) -- bit of a deceptive statline to this one. All of his early scoring was on off the ball movement scoring on backcuts and the like. Whenever he spotted up or took a shot from the outside it was offline and it really was the sort of offensive first half that many lesser SGs could have put together. On top of that, prety sure he was the guy that Josh Howard was having a throwback night over for the most part. Was quiet again in the third, until the very end of the quarter when he abrutply did that snap awake thing he deos, running the break for 5 quick points to close the quarter, including a +1 at the buzzer that put us in good position headed into the final quarter. Missed the easy drawn up gimme out of the quarter break however, and then fell victim to the same coaching brain fart as did Reke, as our high scoring backcourt sat and watched our twin fork in the back veteran SFs get all the stretch minutes until less than 2 minutes were left. But when he finally did get back in was the guy who sealed the win up with a big big rebound at the 25 second mark with us up 2 and then by hitting 5 of 6 FTs down the stretch to take his 16 oint night and abruptly make it a 21pt outing. Still, icing the game has to count for something gradewise even if overall this was not as good as the numbers, and part of the statisitical restrictionnws Smart's minuts limit.

Thomas ( B ) -- got off to the real slow start to this one, and you had to wonder if the little guy's clock had struck midnight. Hit 1 of 2 early threes, but the second was an airball from the corner as we continue to have dificulty with Reke, IT and Jimmer all being used to having the ball up top, not down in the corners. Outplayed in an ineffective first half by Harris, who had one of is better games of the year against IT. But as has been his pattern, began to finally get a little something going in the third, and after we lost DeMarcus to foul trouble in particular his game picked up. Possibly having the lane cleared helped, as he sudenly looked quicker and got right to the rim on several occasions. But more than that it was again just a surge of confidence as he stepped forward to direct things to such a degree that smart actually kept Reke and thronotn on the bench almost the entire 4th while it was themighty mite, Cousins, JT, and a couple of our bench corpses gettng the minutes. So bad first half, good second half second half trumps, but counterbalanced by too many turnovers and a strong matching performance by Harris....B.

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Bench

Hickson ( ) -- first guy off the bench to watch Favors after he was tearing up JT. Match of athleticism. And didn't do a bad job out there. Only offense was a tough 1 on 1 finish on the break in the second. But was on the boards and made a nice pass to a backdooring MT.

Salmons ( ) -- 2nd off of the bench as of course a big key to Kings victory is getting John in there as early as possible. But he didn't embarrass himself this time. So that was something. Well..here is a nightmare scenario for you: John Salmons bringing it u. And yet that was what we had to do as Jimmer again jsut was unable to handle pressure on his dribble. So there came John, walking it across the line, backing in, making sure at least to get the ball over halfcourt with no adventures. Had one jumper along the baseline early and then out of noweher given the bulk of the 4th quarter minutes over Reke/Thornton. As the game got very very tight I openly wondered if Smart was willing to lose a game with that strategy, and all the questions that would ensue. Right on queue it turned out a) he wasn't as he brought both guys back. And b) Salmons hit a jumper with less than 2 minute sot go, saving Samart's behind in the process and maybe giving himself some confidence. Had more to say on the glass this time out than usual as well.

Garcia ( ) -- much needed pair of threes in the early second as the bench was struggling as normal. Pretty much the only shot he'll take anymore as he's settled in as the pure roleplayer: 2-5FG, 2-5 from 3pt land. But it was hustle and defense that found him still on the floor stealing minutes from Reke and Thornton as the game got late.

Fredette ( ) -- came in, missed a drive and again looked overwhelmed as a ballhandler as he was stripped and harassed. Got bad enough we just started having Salmons bring the ball up over halfcourt for him. Remains a serious concern as becoming a true point remains the keys tot eh kindgdom for him, and being able to bring the ball over halfcourt on your own is generally a PGish skill. Had a little burst before leaving when he hit a three and delivered a nice drive and dish. That was it thoguh, and did not return after half.

Hayes ( ) -- still missing easy chippees and starting Jazz breaks with it. Alarmed with a drive in the early 4th, but finished it with a nice pass to a trailing JT.
 
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Whew!

We're kind of in playoff crunchtime now -- I don't know how long we can keep up the pretense of being in the hunt, but its kind of a given that we can't give away many of these easier ones at home.

For those like myself stuck with the Jazz feed, this was apparently the Kings feed intro:

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Boxscore

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At half time (on Kings feed) there was also a Kings all-time-Sacramento-highlights montage as Maloof's thank you to the fans. This exchange actually happened at my house:

Me (wore #13 for 15 years): Reke has to punch a Laker before he has really earned that squad number (#13).

My Wife: That guy Webber, he really is the most attractive player ever, isn't he?

I give up.
 
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Whew!

We're kind of in playoff crunchtime now -- I don't know how long we can keep up the pretense of being in the hunt, but its kind of a given that we can't give away many of these easier ones at home.

For those like myself stuck with the Jazz feed, this was apparently the Kings feed intro:

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Boxscore

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We only need to go on a 10 game win streak and we are right in the hunt. ;)
 
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I'm not a fan of this starting line up. We are wasting some of our advantages. Evans is not nearly as effective. We have no energy off the bench. Defensive mismatches everywhere. Blech.
 
I'm not a fan of this starting line up. We are wasting some of our advantages. Evans is not nearly as effective. We have no energy off the bench. Defensive mismatches everywhere. Blech.

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In response to the poll I would bring back
Cousins
Thomas
Tyreke
Thornton
JT
Hayes
Jimmer
Garcia?(Good vet/leader/defender/shooter), but has never been consistent

Get rid of Hickson, Salmons, Outlaw, Greene
 
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In response to the poll I would bring back
Cousins
Thomas
Tyreke
Thornton
JT
Hayes
Jimmer
Garcia?(Good vet/leader/defender/shooter), but has never been consistent

Get rid of Hickson, Salmons, Outlaw, Greene

I agree with you on all 8 but instead of Cisco, I'd bring back Greene. Either as a deep bench or someone who could potentially develop into a decent contributor.
 
At half time (on Kings feed) there was also a Kings all-time-Sacramento-highlights montage as Maloof's thank you to the fans. This exchange actually happened at my house:

Me (wore #13 for 15 years): Reke has to punch a Laker before he has really earned that squad number (#13).

My Wife: That guy Webber, he really is the most attractive player ever, isn't he?

I give up.
Well, your wife made an excellent and point. Won't hear me challenging that fact. Webb is definitely swoon-worthy. ;)
 
I just read a post on a jazz forum asking his fellow fans it would be a good idea to trade Millsap for Hickson.... He could have been joking but my sarcasm sensor wasn't going off. Pretty funny though.
 
In answer to the poll question, I said 8. Given that we could magically trade/cut any player, only Outlaw/Salmons/Garcia/Hickson get the immediate ride out of town. I'm not saying the other 8 are untouchable (and I would find it unlikely that all 8 are back with us next year) but I see no fundamental reason to get rid of them. Even the currently questionable contributors in that group (Donte, Jimmer, Hayes) have plenty of potential/value for their cost, and have a role with the team. They're not guys you look to deal or let go, but if something comes up that makes us better, then you have to strongly consider it. The top five (Cousins, Tyreke, Tho^3) are core guys. It's our starting lineup right now, and I'd like at least one of those guys to come off the bench in favor of a real option at the 3, but they're what currently constitutes our core, and it's starting to look like a solid one. We get the right guy at the 3 (Chandler, perhaps?) and next year it's a playoff-capable core.
 
I want everyone bak besides jj,salmons,outlaw,hayes...the thing I hate with hayes is him being undersized its always gona kill us in reality he gets out rebounded,missis easy put backs,and gets shots made rite over him all the time I cant see how we didnt get sammy back -_- id see if we can trade for anothrr decent big who can hold it down out there!
 
Cousins
Thompson
Greene
Evans
Thornton.

And maybe Thomas and Hayes if they could grow 3 inches more, or Jimmer if he learns to play good defense. Garcia and Salmons should be gone. These vets only know how to teach about losing.
 
I'm not a fan of this starting line up. We are wasting some of our advantages. Evans is not nearly as effective. We have no energy off the bench. Defensive mismatches everywhere. Blech.
I agree this lineup makes tyreke ineffective. And without Thomas off the bench our bench is awful.
 
Has anyone mentioned Cousins repeatedly going at Harris? What was that about? He must have went for him four or five times. Did Devin p*ss in his cereal? Never seen DeMarcus go at somebody so much before.

That said, another dominating game for him. We haven't had a player as talented as this since Webber. Really has a chance to be a genuine star.
 
I want I.t back regardles if hes short hes ben prooving he can ball him being short doesnt hurt us as much as hayes being short,we dont expect thomas getting rebounds or monster put backs when hayes cant even make a layup and gets blockd all da time outrebounded
 
I was very dissapointed with the coaching in this game. I know, they won the game, and I'm very happy about that. But Smart won this game despite his coaching, not because of it. There were so many non sequiters in this game. Running a "weave" offensive set in the first half. Having IT go to the corner and stand there. Having a "you take your turn, I'll take mine" approach to offensive sets. I understood getting the ball to Cousins. Everything else, was a "What the...are you doing with this offense?" All I can figure out is that the Isaiah boulder dropped into the pond is still having ripple effects on the team and on Smart's brain. There's resistance to giving him the keys to the car. After all, he's 5'9" and the 60th pick and a rookie. Combine those facts with taking the keys from the previous ROY winner, and it seems to be frying Smart's brain.

In the second half, Isaiah seemed to say, "To hell with this being put into the corner stuff. I'm taking this ball and going to work!" Was it a change by Smart that allowed that to happen? Was it IT taking the initiative? Was it just the faster flow of the offense that allowed IT to come out of the corner? I'm not sure. But I do know that in the first half he looked discombobulated because of his role "in the corner." In the second half he looked like IT.

Tyreke is obviously suffering from this change, as was expected. But I do think it's sending him an extraordinarily clear message that he must round out his game, especially in the offseason. I'm wondering if these desperate moves by Smart to keep everybody happy is telling us all that this just ain't going to work. Maybe there has to be trades made to make the parts work. Or, maybe it's going take more time for the coach and the players to adjust to a new reality.

PS It sure would be nice to see a two-man game with Cousins and IT. A pick and roll would be nice.
 
Has anyone mentioned Cousins repeatedly going at Harris? What was that about? He must have went for him four or five times. Did Devin p*ss in his cereal? Never seen DeMarcus go at somebody so much before.

That said, another dominating game for him. We haven't had a player as talented as this since Webber. Really has a chance to be a genuine star.

I saw that too. Lucky he didn't get called there at the end when he threw another forearm at him. Yeah he definitely had an agenda aimed at the little punk.
 
I saw that too. Lucky he didn't get called there at the end when he threw another forearm at him. Yeah he definitely had an agenda aimed at the little punk.
Yeah, he elbowed/bumped him a few times, as they shoed on the broadcast. I don't know what the deal was, bu it seemed petty and childish. I was mad about the one that got him a technical. Kncok it off Cousins. The team and winning is what matters. I thought he was doing really well about not acting out like that so much. I was disappointed.
 
Other than taking a somewhat questionable charge at the 15 second mark, was not a factor in the final two minutes after the call as it was all little guys. There's really not any "minus" to this A as DeMarcus was simply the best player on the floor by a lot. But he did self limit himself with the fouls, and then the dumb late technical again, and in general as good *** this was he's still got another gear somewhere out there.

Which, to be perfectly honest, is somewhat terrifying.
 
I could be wrong but at the time it looked like IT got hit fairly good under the basket by harris on a no call and cous came out and fouled harris in response at mid court for his 4th(3rd?) of the night. That might be were it started but I am known to be blind.
 
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I saw that too. Lucky he didn't get called there at the end when he threw another forearm at him. Yeah he definitely had an agenda aimed at the little punk.

I haven't had a chance to go back and rewatch the tape. When Cuz picked up his second foul he was really pissed off. Harris did something to him and Cuz had the call go against him.
 
I was very dissapointed with the coaching in this game. I know, they won the game, and I'm very happy about that. But Smart won this game despite his coaching, not because of it. There were so many non sequiters in this game. Running a "weave" offensive set in the first half. Having IT go to the corner and stand there. Having a "you take your turn, I'll take mine" approach to offensive sets. I understood getting the ball to Cousins. Everything else, was a "What the...are you doing with this offense?" All I can figure out is that the Isaiah boulder dropped into the pond is still having ripple effects on the team and on Smart's brain. There's resistance to giving him the keys to the car. After all, he's 5'9" and the 60th pick and a rookie. Combine those facts with taking the keys from the previous ROY winner, and it seems to be frying Smart's brain.

In the second half, Isaiah seemed to say, "To hell with this being put into the corner stuff. I'm taking this ball and going to work!" Was it a change by Smart that allowed that to happen? Was it IT taking the initiative? Was it just the faster flow of the offense that allowed IT to come out of the corner? I'm not sure. But I do know that in the first half he looked discombobulated because of his role "in the corner." In the second half he looked like IT.

Tyreke is obviously suffering from this change, as was expected. But I do think it's sending him an extraordinarily clear message that he must round out his game, especially in the offseason. I'm wondering if these desperate moves by Smart to keep everybody happy is telling us all that this just ain't going to work. Maybe there has to be trades made to make the parts work. Or, maybe it's going take more time for the coach and the players to adjust to a new reality.

PS It sure would be nice to see a two-man game with Cousins and IT. A pick and roll would be nice.
With all due respect, I disagree. I think Smart is in charge and is doing great. If he did it my way they'd probably throw his *** off the team.
 
I haven't had a chance to go back and rewatch the tape. When Cuz picked up his second foul he was really pissed off. Harris did something to him and Cuz had the call go against him.

He had to have done something. Or pulled a Delonte West on his mom.
 
With all due respect, I disagree. I think Smart is in charge and is doing great. If he did it my way they'd probably throw his *** off the team.

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with you here.
 
On the poll question - I would keep Garcia and Greene and maybe even Salmons unless we were able to get players any better. I think this question is better answered later or at the end of the season. For the past 5 games we have had a new team. Let them play another 20 games together and see who is a keeper and who isn't.
 
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