[Grades] Grades v. Jazz 11/23/2012

At what point of the 4th would you have gone back to the Reke/Brooks backcourt?

  • Never would have rested them.

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • 10min mark

    Votes: 5 8.9%
  • 8min mark

    Votes: 22 39.3%
  • 6min mark

    Votes: 20 35.7%
  • 4min mark

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • 3min mark -- Smart's a genius!

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Never! Reke's a meanie and ate my puppy.

    Votes: 5 8.9%

  • Total voters
    56
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1

(Scarecrow)
I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain


You know what sucks? What sucks is when you as a team are threatening to turn a corner, maybe even save your season...and your own coach comes along and slams the door in your face. What a debacle.

We'll need an apprpriate theme here. Maybe famous player revolts against coaches. I got the team's back on this one if they throw Smart out on his *** in front of the building.

Boxscore

Stats: 30min 2pts (2-5, 0-2, 0-0) 5reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Salmons ( C ) -- nowhere near as good a game as last time out, nor even his first game as a starter when he did little more than stay out of the way. And I think part of it may have been that he had TOO much success last time. He's not a natural roleplayer. He has success one game, then in a game like this he's going to want to come in and be a little more offensively aggressive, because that's what he's always done. It wasn't hugely disruptive, but you felt the shot strain, in particular in regards to Cousins, in the early going. John wanted to bring the ball down, dribble aorund a bit and look for his shot this time, rather than making quick decisions with it. Missed his threes as well. Problems were compounded when the old problem from last year reemerged here, with John simply being too small to consistently contend with a tall SF like Marvin Williams. He started swinging the ball better as the game went along, and not play awfully, but when your starting roleplayer gets outscored 20-4 by their starting roleplayer, that's not a great showing.

Magic KOs Westhead -- in 1979 Paul Westhead abruptly took ove the Lakers when Lakers head coach Jack McKinney suffered a near fatal bike crash. Westhead went ont o coach the lakers to a title that first seson, capped by rookie Magic Johnson's legendary Game 7 performance filling in at center. But it didn't take long for that bloom to fade, as the team quickly soured on his walk it up halfcourt approach, lost their chemistry and appeared to quit on their coach as they got bounced in the first round the following season. One of his players (Spencer Haywood) actually contacted a hit man about murdering him. True story. When Magic Johnson dropped a trade demand after the season was over, that was all she wrote for Westhead, who went on to preach basketball abomination in infamousy wacky run 'n gun systems, as if to make up for boring himself out of the ultimate coaching job in L.A.

Stats: 33min 11pts (5-9, 0-0, 1-1) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Thompson ( C+ ) -- Got off to the strong start hitting a jumper, and getting a nice post finish +1, but it began to fade after a while. Began to miss numerous open setups from Reke and Cousins, and while Milsap did not work him over, Jason failed at one of the primary duties of a big man, grabbing only 3 rebounds in 33 minutes as the Jazz, Derrick Favors in particular, pummled us badly on the glass, securing opportunity after opportunity. Jason played efficicently on offense, but was effectively invisible after the early going.

Sprewell Chokes the Coach -- PJ Carlesimo was a coach who came up from the college ranks at Seton Hall used to yelling and screaming at little boys who would be buffaloed by the tactic into performing as he wished. He carried that philosophy into the pros, quikcly losingthe attention of multiple teams of full grown men who tired of being treated like infants. Finally he had the misfortune to coach a player a little less than stable in 1997, and the result was one of the most notorious events in the history of NBA player/coach feuds, as Latrell Sprewell eschewed the middle man/hit man approach, and when PJ got in his face one practice about his passing, just lashed out and tried to choke his coach to death. He was finally pulled off after 15 seconds, only to storm back onto the court and pop PJ in the face before being chased off again. The suspension, as you might imagine, was lengthy. But Spree's, er, "discontent" was merely a reflection of the esteem the rest of the team held the coach in, and so Carlesimo himself was soon let go as well.

Stats: 33min 14pts (5-11, 0-0, 4-6) 7reb 4ast 0stl 2blk 4TO
Cousins ( C- ) -- curiously passive game that started off looking like he was being smart and showing patience, then began to look like he was depressed at being uninvolved as his effort waned. In fact I found myself calling for him to get shots here and there just to keep him involved mentally. Avoided early foul trouble and by just staying long and using his body actually played pretty good defense on Big Al in the early going. Was largely forgotten about on offense however as Reke and Brooks both went off, and Cuz was mostly just a decoy. May have been part of the game plan, and Cuz may have known this coming in. Was almost looking to pass more than shoot in the early going, aside from one brilliant take at the end of the first quarter. But when he returned immediately forced a drive and turned it over, and began to notch up bad pass attempts that had little attempt and check out mentally. Wasn't even on the glass. It was as if, denied a chance to dominate offensively,+ all the joy of the game had been drained out for Cuz, and he was starting to slouch around just waiting for it to be over. You know that guy on the pickup courts. maybe not enoghg shots? Things turned a bit int he third, as hhe had his best quarter and we did our best job of keeping him involved. He still wasn''t the focus, but every couple of minuteswe got him an opportunity, including a strong screen roll with Reke out of amid quarter timeout. Closed the quarter with a muscle move through traffic to get to the line, and things were looking up if only we could have had the coach arrested and dragged out of the building before the 4th began. before the coach ate our win. Sat out a long stretch of the 4th, of course, and when he returned things had changed somewhat. Smart was busy screwing up an easy win, the Brooks/Evans backcourt which had 36 points through 3/4 was being iced over on the bench apparently in payment for of a gambling debt owed by the coach, and so now it was Boogie's turn to be The Man. Except he was The Fugly instead. He hadn't had a good game, was coming in cold with a mishmash lineup we hadn't run all game , and suddenly we just started throwing it to him in the post. And hey, I LOVE post play. But circumstances there weren't promising, and sure enough at best we got scruffy production out of very predictably coming down and throwing it to Cousins in the post play after play. A foul, several forced misses, a turnover, and frustration fouls by Cousins after the failure,s giving the Jazz points the other way. Worse, after getting done icing Reke/Brooks on the bench, the inefficient hammering made sure there was no rhythm to our offense for the final minues when they did get back in. Anyway, we had a very mediocre Cuz out there this time. Maybe partly by design early, but the coaches have to know he needs to stay involved to stay involved. Nothing the matter with 14pts 7reb 4ast -- its basically Marc Gasol's season averages. But Cuz is better than that, and this was a non-impact low effort game, with struggles down the stretch.

The french NT implodes spectacularly -- so how about a team imploding on the world's biggest sporting stage? Its the 2010 World Cup, traditional power France is having a very disappointing campign, you've got unrealistic expectations, big egos, lots of pressure. So in the middle of a loss, Coach Raymond Domenech snaps at forward Nicolas Anelka, who fires back with a profanity laced tirade. Within 24 hours Anelka is kicked off the team, the rest of the team is staging a sit in on the team bus refusing to practice, officials all the way up the French soccer federation totem poll are being called out in the press and resigning, and not surprisingly France is swept out of the tournament.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Stats: 31min 19pts (7-17, 1-1, 3-4) 4reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Evans ( A- ) -- this one damaged my calm. Reke got off to another tremendous start to this one as his early season struggles seem to be fading in the rearview mirror now. Dropped a beatuiful juke to freeze Mo Williams in the open court for his first hoop (it may not be coincidence that Mo left a few minutes later with an ankle injury), and was playing the game fast and strong. In something we have never seen enough of, was working out of semi-postups and jsut atatcking the smaller Jazz guards. As has been the case of late, looked smoothn and decisive with his shot/pass decisions and was working particularly well setting Brooks up for his long bombs. Began to experience foul tourble trying to contend with Gordon Hayward, who is a good player who always tortures us like a great one. I think his size in particular is hard for our team to match up with with 4 guards 6'4" and under, and he was flying around on both offense and defense on the break causing problems. When Reke returned near the end of the half unleased a nice jumper off the dribble that actually looked Kobeish. I know, what a thing to say about a guy who went 5 games without a single jumepr going down, but it did. Was one of Kobe's classic shots, and Reke looked like he had no doubts. Dropped in another pullup off the 1-4 set to give us the lead back going into the half. Resumed his strong play after half, working hard on both ends (Hayward had a taken over across form him by that point). Drained a three, was waiting for doubles to orm and then kicking the ball to teammates. Just suddenly looked the saavy pro. Hayward was a pain though, and as the quarter wound down you could see Reek beginning to tire, there were a few forces on the break against Hayward's length (IMO Hayward is one of the best fastbreak defenders in the league -- just has the knack). Brooks and Evans pouring it on we took control of the game and seemed well positioned to win it. So Coach Smart did the only reasonable thing under such circumstances, and sat the guy dominating the game for us until there were 3 minutes and 5 seconds left in the game, and our once 15pt lead was down to 3. Then, after 20 minutes sitting on the bench watching his coach lose the game for him, was thrown the ball and told to go drain a jumper. Brillaint. To close the disaster, he and JJ, our two best defenders, appeared to combine to screw up the final Utah shot by Hayward that won the game for them. JJ passing the guy off to Reke, who was stuck on a screen, and neither guy getting out to challenge the shot. No reason at all for any of that. We had control of the game. Reke was playing great. Then his own coach iced him.

End of the Candiens Dynasty -- from 1909 to 1993 the Montreal Candiens were the Yankees of hockey, winning 24 Stanley Cups over that span. They have not won one in the two decades since. Often pointed to as the turning point for them was a famous coach/player falling out in December, 1995. Legendary Canadiens goalie Patrick Roy, who it must be said also had a legendary ego, was not a fan of new coach Mario Tremblay. And when Tremblay left Roy in a game against the rival Detroit Red Wings to receive an utter 9 goal waxing, Roy was convinced Tremblay did it to humiliate him, and stormed upstairs and announced to the front office that he ws never going to play another game for them. Roy was traded 4 days later, Montreal never got out of the first round with Tremblay as coach, and hasn't hoisted the Cup in the 19 years since the incident.

Stats: 32min 17pts (7-9, 3-4, 0-0) 2reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Brooks ( A- ) -- played a really nice game alongside Reke until the final minutes when everythign went to hell. Took most of his shots in rhythm this time, launching threes behind picks, or off of Reke drive and kick penetration, which is of course absolutely what we need for our offense to click. Was functioning more like a very small SG while Reke did more PGing, but took his turn running things as well, and was generally efficient doing so. Had acouple of spectaculr takes to the rim as well -- spectacualr because all of a sudden he turned the quickness up another full notch and jsut blurred by people. Had a few moments where he started to get a little 1 on 1 happy, but when a guy shoots 7-9, he's not taking too many shots you don't want him taking. Sat out a long time in the 4th so the coach could apparently pander to Jimmermania. Not as long as Reke, but still came back in far too late, Reke even alter, and we were never able to reestablish the easy chemsitry between them. The disaster got capped when all of a sudden Smart called for a clearout for him as our final possession of the game, and Brooks got cleanly stripped by Tinsely, who was once one of the best thieves in the game. Jazz got the ball back, went down the other way, and won a game they never should have been in.

Nellie in New York -- did you know Don Nelson coached the Knicks for part of one season? A lot of people forget that interlude, maybe becuase it was so forgettable. After being canned by the Warriors, the first time, in part for losing the attention of various important components of that team including Chris Webber and Spree, the New York Knicks picked up Nellie to replace Pat Riley. Hard to top that for a wacky extreme change of coaching style. And that's exactly what happened. After years of contending as the ultimate blue collar warriors under Riley's iron fist, Nellie came in and started screwing with things. Rotations became jumbled, starters were benched for more offense. Ewing was stationed outside..hey all this sound like anybody we know? By midseason the Knicks were in a mutinous mood and started to spiral, losing 9 of 13 games and just rolling over until Nellie finally just resigned. Jeff Van Gundy took over and reinstituted the old Riley style of play, and all was well again in New York.

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Bench

Stats: 20min 18pts (7-13, 3-4, 1-1) 2reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thornton ( B- ) -- provided the bench scoring pop on queue, but minutes tonight were limited by his play on the other side of the ball, where the Jazz really pummeled us wiht the 6'8"/6'9" pairing of Gordon Hayward and Marvin Williams, and there was no place to hide a 6'4" SG with shaky defense -- the Jazz weren't jsut letting the matchups go either, they were smartly calling playing and going right intot he post to bring the pain. Hit an early three near the end of the first qurter, and went back and forth with Hayward who was just posting him and overpowering him. Eventually lost first half minutes because there was no way we could go 6'4"/6'5" MT/Reke at the SG/SF spots against this team. Gave us a quick 6pt surge in the early 4th, but forced a terrible shot at the 4 min mark and still could not guard Hayward. Came through with the huge bailout three at the 1:00 mark to tie it, but ws on and off the court as we were basically trying to hide him.

Stats: 16min 3pts (1-1, 0-0, 1-2) 3reb 4ast 2stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C+ ) -- most of his positive work during this one was as a passer, although his first one was a flat bad pass on the alley ooo attempt to JJ. Along with much of the rest of the frontline, looked helplessly groundbound in there as the Jazz (i.e. Favors) pounded the glass. Played some of his stout post defense on Kanter, who flashed some very iimpressive post moves but wasn't able to beat Chuck with them. Didn't look like Big Al paid him much attention though.

Stats: 15min 2pts (1-3, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Johnson ( D+ ) -- got an early fastbreak dunk for his only score, and saved a hoop as the only man to get back in transition, but in general was not effective, forced a couple of terrible shots and actually looked a step slow on defense against Hayward and Williams, including being involved in letting Hayward free for the game winning shot.

Stats: 13min 4pts (2-5, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Robinson ( C- ) -- numbers in that low shrug region again, but what doesn't show up is just how much he struggled trying to battle Derrick Favors in there, who is bigger, stronger, and every bit the same athlete. Couldn't keep him off the glass, and in this game we again saw that bizarre tendency TRob has to play post defense with his arms straight down at his sides like a toy soldier or something. I am still wracking my brains trying to figure out how/who could ever have taught him to do that. he just doesn't even raise an arm to challenge. When the other guy is already bigger than you to start, not a good idea. He got a score slipping a screen, but there was also a little inefficiency trying to create his own shots off the dribble.

Stats: 17min 10pts (3-7, 3-4, 1-2) 0reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Fredette ( C+ ) -- three times during this game pulled up for the "Jimmer play", which is to say he came down and chucked up long threes off his own dribble which splashed through. That was the good. Defense was actually not much of an issue tongiht, as Tinsely and Earl Watson are not scorers. The not so good was int he way he ran the team, or ratehr didn't. This was Jimmer basically just looking out for himself, and his gunning instincts even carried over after he was left out there with the starters. Was playing the Jimmer guard spot more than point guard and he missed all his shots other than the pullup threes, and turned it over trying to force into traffic. Be curious to see if the minutes/elevation over IT is permanent, or just pandering to the Utah crowd by Smart.
 
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#4
Cousins, again, down the stretch. Personally I blamed his for one loss previously when he did nothing but bad (missed shots, turnovers, defense mistakes etc), now I have to be tempted to do it again... Missed shots, turnovers, two fouls resulting in free throws in the final minutes, is this what you need from a supposed cornerstone down the stretch?
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#5
We'll need an apprpriate theme here. Maybe famous player revolts against coaches. I got the team's back on this one if they throw Smart out on his *** in front of the building.
Brick, if I lived in Sacramento, I'd have to put you on retainer. You handle criminal law, right?
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#9
Do we still have people claiming riding your bench deep into the 4th is the correct strategy? I didn't think losing this game was possible, even with the pee poor coaching. Yet, here we are.

It flat out sucks when the players come to play and put out the effort, and most are playing somewhat well and do enough to win, yet it's our coach, not the refs, not Utah, it's our coach who kills our chance at winning. And I cannot believe the crap Smart drew up in an attempt to win this game.

Did the media even confront Smart on it, or are we just waiting for the next Voisin article?
 
#11
Game was there to be won by Kings. Smart may have decided Tyreke's one-on-one, I'm-the-man style of play was going to cost down the stretch. Team's basketball IQ is below 50 and showed in crunch time with moronic play after moronic play. Losing this game just came down to which team was smarter. That would be Utah.
 
#13
Game was there to be won by Kings. Smart may have decided Tyreke's one-on-one, I'm-the-man style of play was going to cost down the stretch. Team's basketball IQ is below 50 and showed in crunch time with moronic play after moronic play. Losing this game just came down to which team was smarter. That would be Utah.
Reke had the most assists on the kings tonight again....
 
#14
Jimmer, TRob, JJ stayed longer than desired in the fourth.

JJ can't catch up to Hayward's speed has been lost on a lot screens.
TRob was just dominated by Favors.
And Jimmer forced a lot of things there.
That Jimmer timeout when he rolled on the floor early in the fourth could have been useful after Hayward nailed the last shot.

I'll push this lose to Smart's throat. The coaching killed us tonight!
 
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LWP777

Guest
#16
I'm telling you....fire Smart, hire Nate McMillan. Then trade DMC for a few nice pieces -- good character and IQ guys. Shop Reke but it's okay if he stays. This team will go NOWHERE with DMC as the cornerstone. Bad attitude, bad basketball IQ, horrible down the stretch. It's just not going to work with him.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#17
Screw that: bigs with Cousins' skills are once in a generation. You keep Cousins, and hire Charles Oakley to assistant coach. That'll square his *** away. Maybe trade for Kendrick Perkins.
 
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LWP777

Guest
#18
Screw that: bigs with Cousins' skills are once in a generation. You keep Cousins, and hire Charles Oakley to assistant coach. That'll square his *** away.
I respectfully disagree. He does have some skills but his attitude and his brain are so bad that he'll never amount to a franchise type player. I can see him being a decent center on a winning team where he's the 3rd or 4th option.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#19
I respectfully disagree. He does have some skills but his attitude and his brain are so bad that he'll never amount to a franchise type player.
That's exactly why you get someone in the locker room that will trice him up. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
#20
I'm telling you....fire Smart, hire Nate McMillan. Then trade DMC for a few nice pieces -- good character and IQ guys. Shop Reke but it's okay if he stays. This team will go NOWHERE with DMC as the cornerstone. Bad attitude, bad basketball IQ, horrible down the stretch. It's just not going to work with him.
DMC should never be the alpha male of a team, he is not a good leader. He has the emotional stability of a child. If they could bring in a true leader and alpha male, DMC would be great to keep around, though. He's like a Ron Artest, talented and can help you win, but certainly no lead player.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#21
I respectfully disagree. He does have some skills but his attitude and his brain are so bad that he'll never amount to a franchise type player. I can see him being a decent center on a winning team where he's the 3rd or 4th option.


Does have "some skills". Lol.

Been watching this game for 30 years. His "some skills" are in the Top 10 of all the bigs who have come in the league at that time. Meanwhile, back in the good ole days he'd still be a senior in college.
 
#22
Does have "some skills". Lol.

Been watching this game for 30 years. His "some skills" are in the Top 10 of all the bigs who have come in the league at that time. Meanwhile, back in the good ole days he'd still be a senior in college.
Agreed. John Wall, P-Pat and Coach Cal kept him in check okay at UK. He needs someone other than Hayes to do it for him in the NBA.
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#23
Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones
Reke on asking Smart to go back in game: “I don’t want to seem like I’m trying to get points or something like that. But I do want to win,"
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Smart on if he considered putting Evans back in the game sooner:
“We were up and the team had a good flow. All you had to do was do the right thing and close the game out the right way. We tried to go one-on-one and we lost the ball, we had bad shots.”
Well, then pull guys out of the game. WTH kind of an answer is that? Because guys were going 1v1, losing the ball and taking bad shots, you can't put Reke back in?

That literally makes no sense. Because the other guys are playing poorly and not running the offense, I can't put Reke back in.....
 
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Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones
Reke on asking Smart to go back in game: “I don’t want to seem like I’m trying to get points or something like that. But I do want to win,"
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Tyreke should never be ashamed of wanting to score. I wish he would be MORE selfish. Every possession, he and/or DMC should touch the ball. Nobody else has to unless Marcus is open.

Too bad Keith Smart doesn't understand that. He seems to be happy if someone like Outlaw shot 10 times per game.
 
#25
Smart on if he considered putting Evans back in the game sooner:

“We were up and the team had a good flow. All you had to do was do the right thing and close the game out the right way. We tried to go one-on-one and we lost the ball, we had bad shots.”
Such a ridiculous reason to not put your best player back in when the game isn't sealed. Hey Smart, "All you had to do was do the right thing..." ... and put our best guys in to close the game out the right way.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#27
Smart on if he considered putting Evans back in the game sooner:
“We were up and the team had a good flow. All you had to do was do the right thing and close the game out the right way. We tried to go one-on-one and we lost the ball, we had bad shots.”
Yes coach, all YOU had to do was do the right thing and close the game out the right way. You tool.

As an aside Coach, a little coaching tip here for you amateurs, but you would be surprised at just how much more often your starters/best players, who are playing well, "do the right thing and close the game out the right way": than your backups and random mishmash lineups. It is a mystery.
 
#28
DMC should never be the alpha male of a team, he is not a good leader. He has the emotional stability of a child. If they could bring in a true leader and alpha male, DMC would be great to keep around, though. He's like a Ron Artest, talented and can help you win, but certainly no lead player.
A player like DMC will never, ever succeed in this league with people like the Maloofs, Keith Smart and Geoff Petrie developing his game and his maturity. You are certainly right in many of the things you say, but you're pointing the blame at the young, immature player instead of the ones who are being paid to help him not be young and immature.
 
#29
A player like DMC will never, ever succeed in this league with people like the Maloofs, Keith Smart and Geoff Petrie developing his game and his maturity. You are certainly right in many of the things you say, but you're pointing the blame at the young, immature player instead of the ones who are being paid to help him not be young and immature.
Yes, not all of it is on DMC.
 
#30
a good game absolutely thrown away by bad coaching. the 4th quarter subs were atrocious. leave your best player on the bench the whole quarter what a ****in joke