Grades v. Jazz 11/15

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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Like taking candy from a baby...

A bit tough to grade actually since it really felt like 48min of garbagetime

Peja ( B+ ) -- very very easy outing for Peja. In the first half ran around hitting open shots from all over the court. If he does that against the Spurs, its a flat out A. But at some point there has to be some recognition that this was just all too easy. Shot disappeared in the second half, and Utah took him out of the game somewhat with extra attention. But Peja responded solidly passing out of the doubles with Utah too disorganized to recover to the open men. Strong solid game doing what he had to against a vastly overmatched opponent, but hard to say any more than that against Devin Williams, Andre Owens, Kris Humprhies et. al.
Reef ( B- ) -- didn't do much at all, but still outperformed Memo, and may even have had something to do with Okur's awful game (although the 4 games in 5 nights might be the more likely culprit). Again a grade caught up in the scrimmage-like nature of this game. Give us 3 rebs against the Spurs, and the grade goes plummeting. But against this group of Jazz, or at least guys off the street wearing Jazz uniforms, you can just say that Reef did enough and let it go at that.
Miller ( B ) -- solid all around game against his fellow Hick and all kinds of total garbage off the bench. Robert Whaley? Are you kidding me? Hit his jumper, which was seldom covered, and helped us get off to a good start by running the offense from the traditional (for us) high post area. Rebounding = still not impressive. But again this falls under the "good enough" rubric.
Bonzi ( A ) -- finally back to the tough Bonzi around the basket we saw for the first few games, and it seemed to key a resurgence of his entire game. Easily our best rebounder again (almost doing the big embarrassing by threatening to outrebound our ENTIRE soft, softer, and softest frontline . Passed well and set up people out of the post. Started to crank up the defense in the second half as well. Even hit a three. In a game like this I really hate to give out a solid A and kept on trying to add a minus, but Bonzi really did dominate for stretches, and in every facet of the game.
Bibby ( A- ) -- offensively shot was on, although as with Peja he wasn't exactly having to work very hard to get it off. This wasn't much of a game, but maybe it can still help us just by letting Mike rediscover his stroke, which all of a sudden wasn't effected by muscle or whatnot as soon as you just left him totally unguarded. Defensively not as good as Milt Palacio and Deron Williams -- the two PGs -- were the only two Jazz who kept them from scoring less than 50pts.
 
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SLAB

Hall of Famer
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Halftime Grades

Bibby...B+...Finally an "on" night, so far...Knocked for letting Milt Palacio have a big first half.

Wells...B...
He's not the offensive player I thought he was...However, he's doing everything else so far.

Peja...A...He's hitting everything, and that's all I ask.

SAR...C-...Very, very inneffective.

Miller...C...Passing well, everything else sub-par.

The Bench...F...Is it even possible to get any more inneffective? Even if you tried? And wore blindfolds? And had your right arm tied behind your back?
 
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playmaker0017

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Reef getting a C- is a joke.

Try a D-. He's doing nothing. He's got his thumb firmly planted in his rear-end.

It's embarrassing.
 
#5
Bonzi should get an A. I was watching the NBA.com feed which tracks efficiency and Bonzi was by far the most efficient player on either team. Just look at the stat line:

6 of 9 from the field. 1 for 1 from downtown. 11 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 3 Steals. That in 28 min. That is about as well as you can play without being the #1 option on the team.
 
#8
The whole starting line up deserves an A+, the bench sucked *** this game(untill 4th). Of course dont give the starting line up to much credit, the jazz starting lineup is beaten up badly right now.
 
#11
no grades for rick or the bench yet?

I've been compiling bricklayer's grades in hopes of calculating each player's GPA for the season.

I guess the rest could get INC's if grading on the 2nd half blowout isn't worth it.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
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The patient was on life support; almost all the indicators were flat-lined. Suddenly, there was a little blip...and then a pulse.

Sure, the patient may still be unable to breathe on his own and is being fed through a tube, but at least we saw SOME indication of life.

Come on, grinchie. Let yourself savor THAT moment if nothing else.

;)
 
#14
Brick,

I would need to point out a little bias in your grades. While I agree with Mike Bibby getting an A-. Your only reason for not giving an A to Peja was due to the lack of suitable (worthy) opponent??? By that reasoning nobody should have gotten an A. Considering that Peja dished out more assists in that game than our starting PG, better ST/TO ratio and a couple of more boards...

The grades should probably look like this:

Bonzi A
Peja A-
Bibby A-
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#15
civija said:
Brick,

I would need to point out a little bias in your grades. While I agree with Mike Bibby getting an A-. Your only reason for not giving an A to Peja was due to the lack of suitable (worthy) opponent??? By that reasoning nobody should have gotten an A. Considering that Peja dished out more assists in that game than our starting PG, better ST/TO ratio and a couple of more boards...

The grades should probably look like this:

Bonzi A
Peja A-
Bibby A-
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Pedja does not deserve an A. MAybe if he rebounded the ball he would come close. But only 3 rebounds for a SF is terrible in any book. To make matters worst that is our biggest weakness rebounding the ball. Untill he man's up and grabs some rebounds then the B is valid.
 
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AleksandarN said:
Pedja does not deserve an A. MAybe if he rebounded the ball he would come close. But only 3 rebounds for a SF is terrible in any book. To make matters worst that is our biggest weakness rebounding the ball. Untill he man's up and grabs some rebounds then the B is valid.
All I am saying is that these two stat lines deserve about the same grade:

Bibby 30:35 7-10 2-3 9-9 0 1 1 5 0 1 1 0 25
Peja 32:52 8-14 2-6 3-3 0 3 3 6 1 2 0 0 21

Yes Bibby needs more Assists.
Yes Peja needs more boards.

And they should probably both get an "A-" since Bibby broke out of a shooting slump and Peja disovered that he can pass too.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#17
civija said:
All I am saying is that these two stat lines deserve about the same grade:

Bibby 30:35 7-10 2-3 9-9 0 1 1 5 0 1 1 0 25
Peja 32:52 8-14 2-6 3-3 0 3 3 6 1 2 0 0 21

Yes Bibby needs more Assists.
Yes Peja needs more boards.

And they should probably both get an "A-" since Bibby broke out of a shooting slump and Peja disovered that he can pass too.
It isn't just about stat lines. Did you watch the game?

I think you need to read the explanations for the grades again. Often times, the subtle difference between grades is more of an impression from the game itself.

Keep in mind that right now Peja should be doing everything right. He's in a contract year, hoping for a maximum deal. The expectations and standards for him are a little higher, as they should be.
 
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civija said:
Thats the part that I did not get...
he's in a contract year. wherever he signs next season (if the kings don't trade him), he is expected to make big bucks. when you're in that position, expectations for your performance are always going to be higher. he's got time to pull it off...he just needs to maintain a level of consistency that doesn't simply involve hitting shots.
 

SLAB

Hall of Famer
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Zack said:
no grades for rick or the bench yet?

I've been compiling bricklayer's grades in hopes of calculating each player's GPA for the season.

I guess the rest could get INC's if grading on the 2nd half blowout isn't worth it.
Awesome idea!

Keep it up, bro!
 
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VF21 said:
It isn't just about stat lines. Did you watch the game?

I think you need to read the explanations for the grades again. Often times, the subtle difference between grades is more of an impression from the game itself.

Keep in mind that right now Peja should be doing everything right. He's in a contract year, hoping for a maximum deal. The expectations and standards for him are a little higher, as they should be.
So why anyone expects from Peja to rebound. When did he actually do that to expect it from him?

Anyway, I agree with Peja's grade because he is able to destroy such team and he didn't to it. I have problem with Bibby's grade. It can't be A if Palacio has an carreer game against him. It's B game for him in my book and that's huge improvement.
 
#22
Just for arguments sake and for my cumulative gpa's
I filled in the rest of the grades as such
Rick: B

KT: B-
Martin: D+
Garcia: C
Skinner: C-
Corliss: C-
Hart: C-
Price: INC Garbage time.
 
#23
VF21 said:
It isn't just about stat lines. Did you watch the game?

I think you need to read the explanations for the grades again. Often times, the subtle difference between grades is more of an impression from the game itself.

Keep in mind that right now Peja should be doing everything right. He's in a contract year, hoping for a maximum deal. The expectations and standards for him are a little higher, as they should be.
VF...sometimes I completely disagree with what you say...and sometimes I completely do!!! This is the case of the latter. Well put. I'm a long time reader (and only started contributing recently) but Brick tends to take in account a lot more than just stat lines and I tend to agree with his dissection of each players contribution to "Kings basketball". Cheers to both of you!
 
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