Grades v. Jazz 01/25

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Still a bit agitated from last night, and not really in a theme mood this weekend, although Thigns That Go Boom, or Big Explosions both suggested themselves.

Salmons ( C+ ) -- back in as a starter as we smallballed, and predictably looked more comfortable early. Got quiet while everything went through Kevin, but rememerged as part of our second quarter surge. Even after Mikki made it to the arena, our continuing smallball ways had him on the court for most of the second half, but you would not have known it. Not bad exactly. Just very quiet with all the other guys who wanted the ball in the lineup around him, and the small vs. big mtachup of John v. Kirilenko went decisvely to the big, who was able to operate almost unimpeded by the little gnat buzzing around his ankles. I coould have gone B- here, but with Kirlenko going for three times his season average, and John producing very few numbers besides the 13pts (6-8 shooting), including only 1 rebound in 37 minutes as a small forward....C+ it is.

Artest ( D ) -- well, well...most of the game comments about him are of course going to be overwhelmed by the meltdown. And the meltdown is quite worrisome -- that's 4 of the last 5 games where there has been some kind of incident involving Ron, and the only one where there was not was the easy home blowout over the Nets. This is frankly something we as Kings fans have not seen from Ron before -- since coming here he has normally been very much in control while he has been on the floor (as opposed to all the off court stuff). But is is something that fans in his previous stops have seen, and those are ghosts better not raised. The game had already gotten off to an unusual start with Mikki having to miss the start for personal reasons, and us smallballing against one of the biggest frontlines in the game. Put Ron at PF matched against an All Star caliber PF, although in the early going we wisely tried to hide Ron over on Okur and have Brad take Boozer. Hiding Ron on defense...that may be a first. Ron put up very modest numbers again in the first half, which was kind of surprising given how aware you were of him in the offense. Might have just been the extra attention drawn by the unusual early matchup with Boozer. Might also have been the tough matchups all across the frontline for Ron -- from the even stronger power player in the Boozer, to the much bigger Okur, to the impossibly rangy fellow defensive stopped Kirlienko.
Meltdown section -- Problems started when Ron inexplicably starting woofing at the crowd telling everybody how great he was in the mid-3rd, which might have been less ridiculous if he in fact was doing anything great. No idea what started that, but at the time the crowd was relatively sitting on its hands, there was no Matt Harping on the court, and Ron himself was having an indifferent game. Then all of sudden he starts beating his chest at the crowd, pausing while the game is going on to throw back his head and howl, and just generally acting nutty. And I think he actually fired the Jazz and their crowd up. When all of the taunting started, the game was close. Mayeb tied or a two or three point game at most. But then Ron starts his schtick, the crowd turns ugly, the Jazz seemed to feed off the energy, and they immediately started pushing the ball right down our throat. Ran off 10 points, and jumped out to a big lead before we had to call timeout. Meanwhile of course Boozer continues to kick our butt inside, at one point sitting on a record pace by hitting his first 13 shots of the gmae, which could not have been helping Ron's mood any. Of course the kicker was when Sloan inserted Matt Harping into the game. Harpring is one of the league's truest tough guys. Lot of guys talk the talk or woof, or pose. Harping doesn't bother with any oif that, he just is. Backs down from nobody, and if you want to bang, he's always ready and willing. Well....Ron was ready, Matt was willing, and so it started. And between the brahma bull matchup, and Ron's constant howling at the crowd and the crowd's howling back the other way...the end result was inevitable. This is Ron Artest we are talking about. Got a technical. Lost his cool. Got a delay of game. Got a second technical for waving his arms and was tossed. Now the technicals did not have to be assesed -- neither of them involved something so egregious that it had to be called a T. But I think Ron more or less got himself tossed with the woofing at the crowd and general state of agitation he had thrown the whole arena into.
And so back to the effect on the game: and here is where this really impacts Ron's grade. We were doing fine before all that stuff started. Were right in the game. Then Ron starts up, gets the crowd fired up, gets the Jazz fired up, and the Jazz win going away. Nor was any of it about us as a team. This was about Ron vs. the crowd. Ron vs. the world. And the basketball game, the team, the score, all became secondary. Cost us two points on the techs, cost us one of our starters when he got tossed, and fired up the whole arena against us while we were trying to sneak off with a win. And that's not good for us no matter if you are a win now or a trade Ron person. Whatever is bugging Ron, he has got to straighten it out and calm down. His game itself might have been a C or C+ without the extracurricular stuff. But of course you can't separate them, since they all contribute to Ron's impact on the final score.

Miller ( B- ) -- quiet first half matched against his mirror image in Okur. Got his points in the third in sort of random fashion. Mostly early in the quarter, a three, some FTs, support stuff. Never really got his passing game going, as the Jazz were sitting on the back cutters, but made a couple of nice ones, along with twice as many turnovers. Never really did get on the glass this time out, and it wasn't because he was chasing Okur around the perimeter -- the normal match was Brad vs. Boozer down inside. Of course that highlights another problem -- Boozer was 13 of his first 13 and finished with 33pts on 15-19 shooting. Not the numbers you want to see if you are the guy guarding him.

Martin ( A ) -- slow start missing his first three shots, but then came on strong to finish the first quarter as the leading scorer. Was doing more than just scoring too, as he used his quickness to set up several Kings for open looks int he first half too -- not something we always see out of him. Continued hot into the third, when he and Mike were carrying us and keeping us even, but slowed late in the quarter before hitting a single three to tug us back under 10. Got upset when Harpring set a hard pick on him in the 4th --bleeding off of the Ron energy perhaps because it didn't look like it was THAT hard of a hit and Kevin almost never gets chippy like that. Still a good competitive response. Benefitted tonight from the refs calling a lot of breathing fouls. Not only for Kevin, for everybody, but those games always benefit the finesse guys and Kevin had at least a pair where he was literally not touched. Defense was not stellar, as Kyle Korver found plenty of room to operate the other way, but gave us the overall numbers this time out -- not only 32pts, but 7rebs and 4asts as well. There were enough flaws here that a minus was possible -- only shot 7-17, defense -- but I'm thinking A for the bounceback game as clearly our main guy.
 
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Bibby ( C+ ) -- struggled to start, and in fact did not have a point until the final minute of the first half, where he quickly notched 4 of them before the break. And other than getting back to help on the boards a bit, it was not as if he was having a great game in other aspects either. Wasn't missing shots, just wasn't even getting them up. But came out in the third firing, and it was one of the few times we've seen Mike firing and working well to keepo Kevin firing at the same time. Together they carried us in the early parts of the quarter. Faded back off though, and missed several open looks as the Jazz put us away in the 4th. Defense on Deron was better than the numbers might indicate, but still lost that battle.

Hawes ( INC ) -- brief first quarter stint as Reggie experimented with actually subbing in tall people, but got beat on defense and was immediately pulled. Got another minute or two of garbagetime.

Justin ( INC ) -- came in, immediately got a dunk and a block, and Reggie had seen enoguh of that detestable big man garbage and yanked him in favor of more smallball. Back for garbagetime. Seriously -- wonder what Reggie's problem is with him even when we have no options and he springs in immediately helping?

Beno ( C+ ) -- nothing again in the first half, missing his shots, missing two FTs, and turning it over as well Drew some fouls after returning in the third (one of them a phantom) and his FTs kept us within shouting range for a bit. Hit an open three in the early 4th as well before giving way again.
 
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Cisco ( B ) -- led a second quarter Kings surge with more of the three point shooting brillaince -- he's shot them at over 40% for the last couple of months. But as the Jazz surged back Cisco couldn't do much and found himself too small to deal with Ak47 around the hoop as well. Even spent some time at PF, which is just not good. Here were his potential matchups: 6'8" 260lb Carlos Boozer; 6'8" 260lb Paul Milsap, 6'11" 225lb Andrei Kirilenko. Good luck with that Cisco.

Moore ( D ) -- an unkind grade perhaps given the personal issue he was having to deal with, but it really was an ineffective game. Of course even after he hit the arena, Reggie seemed so determined to smallball a team you just should not smallball, that Mikki played few minutes (who knows, may not have been in agood mental place to play them anyway) and when he was in the game it was normally as a center as we smallballed aorund him rather than his customary PF slot. Did very little in his minutes out there. Not really his, or hopefully our, focus however.

Theus ( ) -- and this time this deserves a comment, even if I continue to refrain form a grade. First, Reggie got us killed inside out there tonight. His response to the Mikki situation was to smallball. Perhaps a rational way to start things off, but he absolutely insisted on smallballing the whole game through, even after Mikki had returned, even after briefly looking at Spenser and Justin. And you know what smallballing gets you against a team as big as the Jazz? It gets you 15-19 for 33pts 10rebs. It gets you 127pts scored against you on 57% shooting. That is all directly attributable to a coaching decisoin, not so much our players. What exactly are our guards and SFs giving away so much size and strength inside supposed to do? This is a smashmouth team, and we tried to outcute them. Second thing, the Artest thing. Reggie mishandled that as well, and risked things getting really unfortunate. Ron was clearly teetering on the edge of being out of control. Tempers were rising, the crowd was screaming for blood, and Ron was acting nutty, getting in altercations, picking up Ts. Nor was any of it helping us as a team at all. The game ceased being about the Kings and began to be about Ron. And as a coach you have got to be smarter than that and get that guy out until things cool. ESPECIALLY if its Ron Artest. We were about one incident away from there being a real problem and a suspension there.
 
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I just wish it would already happen and we can get on with things. What is the worst thing - he could do ? Choke a teammate or a coach, hit the ref, level an opponent, go into stands, post up, pass a ball, take care of the ball eyc. I don't care.
 
I just wish it would already happen and we can get on with things. What is the worst thing - he could do ? Choke a teammate or a coach, hit the ref, level an opponent, go into stands, post up, pass a ball, take care of the ball eyc. I don't care.


Unfortunately something as little as jawing with the crowd could kill our chances of moving him.
 
I just wish it would already happen and we can get on with things. What is the worst thing - he could do ? Choke a teammate or a coach, hit the ref, level an opponent, go into stands, post up, pass a ball, take care of the ball eyc. I don't care.

Teams can get out of paying contracts that can't be fulfilled for medical reasons. That should cover psychiatric too, shouldn't it?
 
I just wish it would already happen and we can get on with things. What is the worst thing - he could do ? Choke a teammate or a coach, hit the ref, level an opponent, go into stands, post up, pass a ball, take care of the ball eyc. I don't care.

I'm with Piksi on this one.

Ron's pretty much killed his trade value anyways by saying he wants to opt out and go to NY. Not to mention his antics.

He'll walk for nothing...Ah well, at least we got Salmons to take his place next season starting the 3. It's not like we were getting good offers for him. Or are there Kings fans out there disappointed we didnt swing the deal for Haslem?
 
I'm with Piksi on this one.

Ron's pretty much killed his trade value anyways by saying he wants to opt out and go to NY. Not to mention his antics.

He'll walk for nothing...Ah well, at least we got Salmons to take his place next season starting the 3. It's not like we were getting good offers for him. Or are there Kings fans out there disappointed we didnt swing the deal for Haslem?

I'm not big on Haslem, but if we'd done that, we'd have no Ron problems, and wouldn't have needed to sign Mikki, leaving us with $6M or so lower payroll. So, yeah, I'd have taken the Haslem deal, I think.
 
I disagree. If Ron can get traded so soon after all that happened in Indy anything is possible.

define soon because he was suspended for a year - remember.

And Pacers only managed to trade him because they found someone retarded enough to take him
 
I disagree. If Ron can get traded so soon after all that happened in Indy anything is possible.

Possible? Maybe. Probable? Let's ask my magic cheesehead 8-ball...

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Uh oh. It says:

"And chickens will rule the earth."

That's not good...
 
Let's see... Ron Artest taunting the crowd. Ron Artest battling with Matt Harpring at every opportunity. Ron Artest being ... well ... his most self-absorbed self.

Granted, if his name wasn't Ron Artest it wouldn't have become such an issue. But he is Ron Artest and the officials had a target on his back from the beginning. His acting like a total horse's behind with the Utah fans added fuel to the fire. He was t'd up in the first half and received his second technical in the second half. And it was pretty predictable that it was going to happen.

We're seeing more and more of the arrogant Ron Artest. Tick... Tick... TICK...
 
Let's see... Ron Artest taunting the crowd. Ron Artest battling with Matt Harpring at every opportunity. Ron Artest being ... well ... his most self-absorbed self.

Granted, if his name wasn't Ron Artest it wouldn't have become such an issue. But he is Ron Artest and the officials had a target on his back from the beginning. His acting like a total horse's behind with the Utah fans added fuel to the fire. He was t'd up in the first half and received his second technical in the second half. And it was pretty predictable that it was going to happen.

We're seeing more and more of the arrogant Ron Artest. Tick... Tick... TICK...

Hmmm... sounds excitin'!

:rolleyes:
 
Hmmm... sounds excitin'!

:rolleyes:


It's one of those where, like Fat Lever said afterwards, if you're winning and playing well, then acting like an a-hole isn't so awful. But when you're playing poorly, you have no reason to brag.

The whole thing was embarassing. If I'd been Reggie, I would have dragged him off the court by his shirt and told him to watch the rest of the game.
 
Can we trade Ron for a bag of potato chips please ;)

And if the contents are a deal-breaker, keep the chips and just give us the bag ... or a corner of the bag ... or the part of the bag you rip off the top to open it.
 
And if the contents are a deal-breaker, keep the chips and just give us the bag ... or a corner of the bag ... or the part of the bag you rip off the top to open it.
Or we'll pay your team to take him. I'll throw in $10. ;)
 
Or we'll pay your team to take him. I'll throw in $10. ;)

I'll drive him to the airport and not ask for gas $$$.

So what's the theme?

Famous movies with bombs in them?

Speed?
Peacemaker?
Monty Python and the Holy Grail does have the Holy Hand Grenade....


OOOHHH! I know I know I know!


































Dr. Strangelove, or how I learned to stop worrying and love Ron Artest? :eek: ;) :p
 
Or perhaps "Things that would be really, really good if they didn't have that one nagging little problem" ...

1. The Japanese fish that is beautiful and a delicacy but will kill you.
 
Wow. Lot's of piling on here. I don't quite see it the same...

It was an intense game, Ron was playing hard and the dude is human. Harpring (and Boozer) was being just as aggressive. Ron just pushed back... and got called because he's on a short leash with the league, NOT because he was going nuts.

So what that he was messin' with the crowd. Lots of players do it, and it can help to pump up the team. It didn't help us tonight, but everyone in that building new when Ron Artest was on the floor... that's some power baby.

When he received the 2nd tech he calmly walked off... no drama.

It's like some can't wait to see doom and gloom so every little thing gets amplified. Ron is always gonna have a cloud over him, and you can bet he understands this... still professional sports can be hugely emotional. You can't just turn that off in a player. IMO the dude is trying harder than he'll ever get credit for.

Just my opinion...
 
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