[Grades] Grades v. Hornets 3/12/11

Which of our players would you like back next year (Choose all that apply):

  • Reke

    Votes: 83 95.4%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 86 98.9%
  • Udrih

    Votes: 51 58.6%
  • Dalembert

    Votes: 69 79.3%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 79 90.8%
  • Casspi

    Votes: 67 77.0%
  • Greene

    Votes: 17 19.5%
  • Cisco

    Votes: 44 50.6%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 55 63.2%
  • Taylor

    Votes: 38 43.7%

  • Total voters
    87

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Shocking how that one played out huh?

I should note BTW that much as offense always draws the attention, the problem is on the other side of the ball. Our opp ppg this season wihtou Reke is just ridiculous. I don't think we've held a single oponent under 100..actually wait. We held ONE under 100 -- we held the Clippers to 99. Otherwise every single night teams are scoring 110, 115 pts against us. Its ridiciulous. If the Spurs were playing defense like this, they would be a sub .500 team. So would anybody.
2/25 110
2/26 120
2/28 99
3/02 107
3/05 109
3/07 123
3/09 106
3/11 108
3/12 115
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Record: 3-15
Opp PPG: 114.9

Just silly.


P.S. I did the poll right this time.

Official Boxscore

Garcia ( C+ ) -- knocked down a handful of long jumpers in the first half, and the other way harassed an impotent Trevor Ariza. But never really ignited, the weak rebounding for a SF was an irritant again, and really it was just a fiairly one dimesnional shurg effort. Did not hurt us, but only a modest help. Some g-time hoops got his point total over 10, but for much fo the game he was fairly invisible offensively.

Cousins ( B ) -- got off to a great start again as we were bully balling the Hornets early. Just dropping in long jumpers early as various dumb Kings kept posting up between him and the hoop, but once that cleared up (and Okafor disappeare with foul trouble) opened up the whole game. Dropped a slick behind the back pass to Daly in the paint for a dunk -- NO big does that that's still in the league. We used to have a couple of them though. Big 10pt 5reb 1ast 1st quarter. Continued the strong play into the 2nd, but unfortunately those fouls started racking up again, and got his third just before half on a wimpy little touch rebounding call. Was just overwhelming Landry when that was the matchup, but began pressing in the 3rd. His 4th foul may have been another bad call as the fouls began to overshadow the game again. And picked up the 5th foul and strained his shoulder in the early 4th, and it probably killed any chance we had, although he had long left behind the hot start. Maybe he got tired, definitely got doubled, and as always had the fouls to deal with. Also at a certina point the turnovers become less amusing. Its something every young player has to play through and learn from, but you can't keep nothcing 5+ night after night. Even if Steve Nash did that you would begin to look askance at him. Let alone if you are a 280lb center.

Dalembert ( B ) -- a good game overall, and the real encouraging thing is how well he and Cousins are beginning to work together inside. The other encouraging thing is that surprising passing, which nobody in the world knew he had, and which has opened up whole new possibilities with him on the court. Helped early with a couple of hoops, but was not able to stop West the other way, and really was more effective as a scorer than a defender in the first half. Nice give and go to Thornton to start the 3rd. Effective offensively all game long, and working really well with Cousins. Terrible alley oop atempt to Thronton to start the 4th. A solid game next to Cousins, aprticualrly using his length on offense as we jsut played over the stubby Hornets. But in the end a littel disappointing as while we did effectively bully ball the shroter team, there skilled midget combo of West and poor man's West largely neutralized our advantage by scoring back the other way, and none of our bigger guys ever realy got a handle on how to stop that.

Thronton ( B+ ) -- back home in New Orleans, and responded with..pretty much nothing in the early going. But really picked it up in the 2nd on his way to a big game in his return. Hit a three of f a fumbled ball when Demarcus tried to go coast to caost in the open court. Anticpated a CP3 pass and picked off the pass. Really using his athleticsm to battle on the glass. Started the third with a dunk off the give and go with Daly, and was starting to rain threes. On the other hand was losing contol of Bellinelli the other way, which is not something you hear often, and capped it by fouling him beyond the three point line. Did a nice job, and has consistently done a nice job since arriving, of passing on the break. Not able to do much down the stretch as the Hornets pulled away.

Head ( C- ) -- lots of early foul trouble as CP3 was aggressive, and long gone were those heady days in late Novemenber when Head stated against him and actualy alrgely shut him down. Drew a foul in the mid third taking an ugly three, and actually made a pretty move against Paul late in the third, with a step through. Lost the thread defending CP3 the longer the game went on though, and Paul was getting open for jumpers at will.

Bench

Thompson ( B- ) -- into the game and immediately blocked the man he battled for minutes all year (Landry). In fact it was really a game within a game as the guys with the two opposing styles battled each oyher each trying to prove something. And it went back and forth, although in the end Landry's game felt better. JT used his length to challenge the smaller guy, and had his fulllk on ugly husdtle game going. Blowing tips and laying, but using his size and activity to bounce back and try again. Meanwhile Landry used his quickness and skill back the other way to go around him and get to the rim. In the end I think it was Jason's career long problems with touch aroudn the rima nd foul problems that tipped it to Landry.

Jeter ( C+ ) -- you know, just looking at the boxscore numbers you would think that Pooh had himself a game here, but really not so much. Set some people up, but also overpentrated, and Paul just absolutely KILLED him the other way. Overpowered him right to the hoop repeatedly, and just looked like he could do anythign he wanted out there against him. Stayed efficient offensively at least, although he did take a dumb quickshot in the early 4th right after Casspi did the same, forcing us to call a timeout. Pooh's an interesting character, because he seems to know how to play the point in purer fashion than perhaps anybody else on the roster, yet even in his basketball middleage wil still go through spells of just pulling up for 1 on 1 shots without a single pass taking place. Overall a good statline, but it was really hard to push this grade any higher giving the overwheleming impressionn that he was getting his butt handed to him out there.

Taylor ( D ) -- slash down the lane and at the last second tured a layup into a quick dunk. Unfortunately it was the only thing that fell in some of Taylor's least effecitve minutes since moving into the rotation. Misse dhis threes, didn't get much of antyhing accomplished in any phase of the game.

Casspi ( C- ) -- some good tough rebounds in the early 2nd and was winning the battles for the loose balls. Drive and fouled just before half, hit both FTs to tie it up going into the break. That was the good. The bad was, call it legs, call it whatever, but he could not hit a shot to save his life, or our game. Had one good floating finish on the break, but the jumpers were all flat and off the front of the rim, and he didn't do enough of anythign else to make up for the offensive impotence. Added a dumb quick shot in the early 4th -- 1 on 4 with no rebounders underneath -- to start a particualrly bad sequence for us that led Westphal to call a timeout. Down to a month to go, and still none of our current players have made a convincing argument why we shouldn't go out and spend all that money we have on a top SF.

Greene ( INC ) -- a dominating 5 seconds of action at the end of the first half.

Jackson ( INC ) -- was THIS clsoe to recording a triple double in his own 5 seconds of action, but fell just short
 
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I voted for everyone except Donte. He, along with Head and Jeter are the guys I don't want back. Leaves room for a top 5 pick, and 2 FA's, while keeping the core preyty much intact. Taylor would be expendable though. I think he has a lot of talent, and he's scratching the surface as a pro, but I just don't see where he'd play. Not with hopefully a new pg next to Tyreke, and Thornton/Beno off the bench.
 
More than anything, i think the lack of a PG or a playmaker was what killed us down the stretch. The Hornets had CP3 to lead his team. They retained their composure, stayed in control and executed well. They just played smarter basketball than us in that 4th, even though we were probably playing with more energy and hustle than they were. It was pretty rough seeing the team fall apart in that quarter.
 
Shocking how that one played out huh?

I should note BTW that much as offense always draws the attention, the problem is on the other side of the ball. Our opp ppg this season wihtou Reke is just ridiculous. I don't think we've held a single oponent under 100..actually wait. We held ONE under 100 -- we held the Clippers to 99. Otherwise every single night teams are scoring 110, 115 pts against us. Its ridiciulous. If the Spurs were playing defense like this, they would be a sub .500 team. So would anybody.

Pts against with Reke out this year:

10/27 116
12/14 118
1/09 118
1/11 136
1/12 119
2/15 126
2/16 116
2/22 117
2/23 105
2/25 110
2/26 120
2/28 99
3/02 107
3/05 109
3/07 123
3/09 106
3/11 108
3/12 115
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Record: 3-15
Opp PPG: 114.9

Just silly.


P.S. I did the poll right this time.

Official Boxscore

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Another factor in that, rather than just bad defense is that reke controls the pace of the game. He'll slow things down and dictate that it become a half court game, because that's how he can beat you.
 
Casspi once again took a load of shots down the stretch and missed all of them. At least he's reliable that way.

It's starting to make me mad how flat his shot is. He never puts any arc on his shot at all. Complete line drive, which shooters know, limits the chance the ball goes in. Some games he looks tired, and when he does, one shot after another just clank off the front of the rim.

I really hope he re-tools his shot this summer. It'll be key for his development. Higher release, and more arc. Part of the reason he shoots line drives, is that he doesn't shoot a true jumpshot, and shoots more of a set shot. That's why he doesn't have much of a midrange game, or any shot whatsoever off the dribble. Look at any video of good shooting form, and Omri's mistakes are pretty apparent. It's more of a short-armed push towards the basket, instead of a fluid, high release. You're supposed to extend as high as you can, not push towards the basket as much as you can.

For all the heat Tyreke takes about his jumpshot, his form is much better.
 
I'm surprised Casspi is getting more votes than JT and Beno. Beno is valuable because we need a PG to run our offense, and he's got plenty of experience with this team and has played well with Tyreke. Thompson, I've been frustrated with a lot, but I think he plays well next to Cousins. He's great at getting put-backs, and it seems like whenever DMC misses a jumper from the baseline, JT is there to clean it up. I don't see him as a starter, and maybe not even a regular rotation guy long term if we can draft someone better, but as of right now he brings some things that really helps this team a lot.

Omri and Greene I'm getting beyond fed up with. They both have potential but it seems like the more this team improves the more these guys get exposed. These guys should be our shooting specialists, but neither of them have shown any sort of a decent shot. If we draft a SF with our 1st round pick, I wouldn't be too sad to see them go.
 
Reke, Cousins, Dalembert, Thornton, and Casspi is all I hope we bring back.

Would still like to have Cisco, Thompson and Udrih too, but don't mind them leaving for the right price.
 
What frustrates me more than anything is the lack of discipline. I mean how many times tonight did our players just not contest any shots at all? I mean seriously, they put their hands on their sides and as soon as they shoot they just turn around and see if their going to make it and 85% of the time it does. Also, what's with all these inside baskets without making anybody earn them? Has anybody on this team heard of a HARD foul? I mean seriously...play with some damn passion out there, it's like their going through the motions and nothing else.
 
Defense suffers without Reke in regards to cutting off the perimeter, but the offense is still what kills the team with Reke playing or not playing.

That ppg stat would be a lot lower if A) the team wasn't one of the worst at turning the ball over which leads to high percentage fast break shots and B) they didn't foul as much.

If the team stopped throwing away possessions, and kept their high off. rebounding, then the Kings would be holding the ball far more than the other team and that by itself would lower the opp. ppg.
 
If I am guessing right, one person doesn't want Cousins and three don't want Reke. I would love for them to write a note and explain that. I could argue with Brick and say that Cousins is NOT the 2nd best center in the league right now but won't because I can't base it on anything and am really talking about his performance since Reke went out and no other time of one small season. The argument would have just as much to do with the differences between the level of proof Brick and I need than the player. I would rather have him than Howard or Gasol. Neither of those two can carry the team on their back the way Cousins is trying to do. Too many turnovers I suppose is the problem at this moment. Poor judgment on flinging the ball into traffic yet we have a youngster of such an immense set of skills perhaps not seen before in the NBA and he is testing all of his skills to see what works and what does not. Let him have his turnovers and let him learn from it. A turnover is a learning experience for this boy. (He IS a boy to me)

Going forward, I personally believe we have Hall of Famer; a top 5 center of all time. In fact after Wilt and Kareem, I could argue the only other greats that I can think of but it is way too early for that, I suppose. As some one else said, he will be a CWebb except bigger and more powerful. Probably better handles also. My goodness!

As to Reke, I can understand BUT a great coach adjusts his offense and defense to match the players he has. Adelman did that. We had a unique offense because of two unique players; Vlade and CWebb. It was unique and very different with JWill but then that may have been more of the wild *** attitude of Jason than anything to do with the coach. :) I choose to give the coach some credit. Reke has a unique talent. Both Reke and Cousins need maturing and their games will get better and they will be the cornerstone of a great team as long as the team can afford them. We have two more numbers to lift to the rafters.

My goodness am I baffled.
 
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If I am guessing right, one person doesn't want Cousins and three don't want Reke. I would love for them to write a note and explain that. I could argue with Brick and say that Cousins is NOT the 2nd best center in the league right now but won't because I can't base it on anything and am really talking about his performance since Reke went out and no other time of one small season. The argument would have just as much to do with the differences between the level of proof Brick and I need than the player. I would rather have him than Howard or Gasol. Neither of those two can carry the team on their back the way Cousins is trying to do. Too many turnovers I suppose is the problem at this moment. Poor judgment on flinging the ball into traffic yet we have a youngster of such an immense set of skills perhaps not seen before in the NBA and he is testing all of his skills to see what works and what does not. Let him have his turnovers and let him learn from it. A turnover is a learning experience for this boy. (He IS a boy to me)

Going forward, I personally believe we have Hall of Famer; a top 5 center of all time. In fact after Wilt and Kareem, I could argue the only other greats that I can think of but it is way too early for that, I suppose. As some one else said, he will be a CWebb except bigger and more powerful. Probably better handles also. My goodness!

As to Reke, I can understand BUT a great coach adjusts his offense and defense to match the players he has. Adelman did that. We had a unique offense because of two unique players; Vlade and CWebb. It was unique and very different with JWill but then that may have been more of the wild *** attitude of Jason than anything to do with the coach. :) I choose to give the coach some credit. Reke has a unique talent. Both Reke and Cousins need maturing and their games will get better and they will be the cornerstone of a great team as long as the team can afford them. We have two more numbers to lift to the rafters.

My goodness am I baffled.

I'm willing to go with Cousins being on of the the top 2 centers in the league. If not next year, then the year after. HOF? A little too early for that, but if he puts in the work, and stays healthy, its certainly a possibility. Top 5 all time. Not ready to go there just yet. Bill Russell, Moses Malone, Willis Reed, Patirck Ewing, David Robinson, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Nate Thrurman, Wes Unsell, Shaq O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, to name a few...
 
I'm willing to go with Cousins being on of the the top 2 centers in the league. If not next year, then the year after. HOF? A little too early for that, but if he puts in the work, and stays healthy, its certainly a possibility. Top 5 all time. Not ready to go there just yet. Bill Russell, Moses Malone, Willis Reed, Patirck Ewing, David Robinson, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Nate Thrurman, Wes Unsell, Shaq O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, to name a few...

The fun is in trying to predict the future. You can't name more. In this case, let us remember that all those other centers lived in the era where a zone defense was not legal. In the last game two guys were guarding Cousins and he didn't have the ball. That's a technical foul in the overwhelming history of this league. That's for starters. Predicitng is for fun.

Some people can speculate endlessly about trades that will never happen while I enjoy this.

Read my note off the first page of this web site as to what I predict for the Kings.
 
I'm not ready to anticipate Cousins even in that group of twelve centers that baja named until he shows signs of being willing to put in the work necessart to even carry those guys bags. Cousins seems to have the talent but on conditioning and hard work it's too early to tell. In other words no signs of that yet with Cousins. Maybe later.
 
I REALLY though Udrih would have done better than Casspi! He is a decent point guard although his defensive skills are limited. He can run the team and if they get a starting NBA Pointguard, there is always the possibility that Udrih moves to the bench. But Casspi is TOO STREAKY and can not get his own shot off. He needs screens and lax defense to get a shot, which doesnt happen often. Casspi's defense is also suspect although he tips away a lot of balls, his one on one defense is lacking greatly. He is a liability at the 3 spot almost every game. I think Reke, Cousins, Thorton, Dalembert, and Udrik would be the top 5 (with Casspi at 6) to keep and replace the other CBA scrubs.

Those that need to be dumped are Greene, Thompson, Jeter, Head, and Cisco. Those are your bottom 5 to be jettisoned for the betterment of the team. Kings need a solid PG or SF in the draft for sure.

Greene - Has never lived up to the promise he had in his second year. He has proven over and over he is not dedicated

THompson - Just clumsy with small hands and a smaller brain. Need to dump asap.

Jeter - CBA player who has gotten minutes and failed miserably at both running the offense and defending at the PG position.

Head - There is a reason this guy keeps getting cut. Head would struggle in the CBA.

Cisco - Good but not great shooter who cant create his own shot and is a poor one on one defender. Good backside defender but seems to get injured FAR TOO OFTEN!

Kings need a high draft pick and they should choose the BPA at PG or SF. There needs to be a great deal of retuning this off season to make this team competative.
 
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FaStRmAn, I agree with the ideas of what you want. I disagree on a few things because every team is a team and needs a bench that contributes. Cisco is the leader off the court. We can't afford at this moment to lose leadership unless it is a great trade. Beno is decent and knows the team. Thompson is fine off the bench. He's not a starter. A team has to have 7 guys or more satisfied with not starting.
 
Oops -- was busy this weekend and forgot I had not finsihed these. The rest are added now if anybody still cares.
 
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