Grades v. Hornets 11/01
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I rarely raise him myself -- don't see the point. Of all the players in the NBA, he might be the absolute last that is likely to ever put on a Kings jersey again unless it be at his retirement ceremony. However, that said, the OBVIOUS reason it is raised is simply because of the lingering doubts whether Geoff, or the Maloofs if they made the call, ****ed up. If the team fails, Rick will be fired, but it will be Geoff's team, not Rick's. Geoff made the moves. He acquired these guys. He traded away local hero after local hero. IF the current team falls apart, then it is the front office that comes under fire. THAT is why Webb gets raised. Are we really better without him? Really? Tonight the answer was "absolutely not". We'll have to see where the tally goes from here.
Webber will be brought up because of the number of people who made such a fuss about him being over the hill, it being such a great trade, etc.
It's natural to compare how he did to how the three amigos did. The Sixers may have lost but it wasn't because a crippled Webber wasn't able to contribute.
Are Webb's stats going to be posted every time the Kings lose? Quite possibly.
It's natural to compare how he did to how the three amigos did. The Sixers may have lost but it wasn't because a crippled Webber wasn't able to contribute.
Are Webb's stats going to be posted every time the Kings lose? Quite possibly.
I agree this game was garbage
Actually I was not a true fan tonight, I listened to the beginning on drive home from work -then watched the 3rd and part of 4th.
It's only one game though, but overall everyone on the team was having a bad performance. Last I heard they were shooting 32-35%
So so sad - Miller was lousy, Garcia typical ball hog mentality he's still learning -- Kenny off bench was only guy that got rebounds... Shareef was only guy producing it seemed :-(
Hornets looked good (PJ Brown, Smith) Statistically they killed the Kings on the boards.
Actually I was not a true fan tonight, I listened to the beginning on drive home from work -then watched the 3rd and part of 4th.
It's only one game though, but overall everyone on the team was having a bad performance. Last I heard they were shooting 32-35%
So so sad - Miller was lousy, Garcia typical ball hog mentality he's still learning -- Kenny off bench was only guy that got rebounds... Shareef was only guy producing it seemed :-(
Hornets looked good (PJ Brown, Smith) Statistically they killed the Kings on the boards.
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I was at the game tonight and although I was very excited and happy to finally see the Kings play in person it was one of the worst games I have seen them play. We had floor seats alongside the Hornets basket. It was awesome to be so close to the action, but unfortunately there wasn't much action from the Kings. They all had a serious case of butterfingers and bobbled the ball away numerous times. The Hornets just flat outhustled them and they played with intensity that was sorely lacking from the Kings. Skinner was the bright spot from our point of view. I think that Byron Scott who knows the Kings well was ready for them and his game plan was effective. How the Kings played tonight was very disappointing but the experience of being right down there on the floor was awesome. I took two rolls of film and will get them processed an hopefully will post pics tomorrow. I got Brads autograph. 
I don't know. Webber didn't have a bad game...
A number of people around here were very emphatic about Webber's future, saying it was absolutely the best possible move to trade him because there was NO way he could ever be productive again.
I'm sorry, but tonight's game showed them to be wrong AND excuse me if I'm just a little remorseful that he's gone.
This "thing" as you call it is going nowhere in particular. It's just that tonight we really could have used a LEADER, which Webber was.
Nothing good comes out of a thread when Webber's name comes up? So it was okay for people to bash the crap out of him but when the table is turned, nothing should be said? Chris Webber was an integral part of this franchise. I'm sorry if it bothers you that his name is brought up, but it's going to happen. Just like Jimmy Jackson, Doug Christie and any other Kings we really miss.
There hasn't been any real conflict about this. Webber played a tremendous game. We could have used him. The three amigos we got in exchange, with the possible exception of Brian Skinner, did very little to make up the differences.
A number of people around here were very emphatic about Webber's future, saying it was absolutely the best possible move to trade him because there was NO way he could ever be productive again.
I'm sorry, but tonight's game showed them to be wrong AND excuse me if I'm just a little remorseful that he's gone.
This "thing" as you call it is going nowhere in particular. It's just that tonight we really could have used a LEADER, which Webber was.
Nothing good comes out of a thread when Webber's name comes up? So it was okay for people to bash the crap out of him but when the table is turned, nothing should be said? Chris Webber was an integral part of this franchise. I'm sorry if it bothers you that his name is brought up, but it's going to happen. Just like Jimmy Jackson, Doug Christie and any other Kings we really miss.
There hasn't been any real conflict about this. Webber played a tremendous game. We could have used him. The three amigos we got in exchange, with the possible exception of Brian Skinner, did very little to make up the differences.
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I was at the game tonight and although I was very excited and happy to finally see the Kings play in person it was one of the worst games I have seen them play. We had floor seats alongside the Hornets basket. It was awesome to be so close to the action, but unfortunately there wasn't much action from the Kings. They all had a serious case of butterfingers and bobbled the ball away numerous times. The Hornets just flat outhustled them and they played with intensity that was sorely lacking from the Kings. Skinner was the bright spot from our point of view. I think that Byron Scott who knows the Kings well was ready for them and his game plan was effective. How the Kings played tonight was very disappointing but the experience of being right down there on the floor was awesome. I took two rolls of film and will get them processed an hopefully will post pics tomorrow. I got Brads autograph.
Were there a lot of Kings fans there?
I have no problems with Webber and yes nothing good comes out of when Webber's name is brought up one way or the other. He was apart of great team we had but now is what is important. I think when ever Webber's name is brought there will always be conflict that is because he polarized the fan base more than other King in the last 10 years.
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I wish they would have played better for you, but you got to see them... and they weren't wearing gold.
Were there a lot of Kings fans there?
Were there a lot of Kings fans there?
Not many Kings fans there, but there were a few of us. I talked to a couple of fans that I saw, but when I mentioned that I would have liked to have seen the Kings when Webber and Vlade played; I pushed the wrong button and she copped an attitude and started going off on Webber so I just wished them a good time and walked away. And yesss VF at least they were not wearing gold. Bibby had a heckler right by us and I was hoping he would fire Bibby up, but no luck. But the highlight was getting a Kings autograph---the low point I got Bill Waltons too.
It was still a totally awesome experience and one I will never forget to finally see my Kings play in person.
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Yes, there will always be conflict when Webb is brought up. Heck, that started before the trade & it isn't going to stop now. He was part of an incredible team, and an incredible time in Kings history, as were Vlade, Doug, Bobby, etc. The difference is, Webb was part of a controversial trade. I said at the time of the trade (okay, after I stopped crying) that we'll never really know if the trade was a good thing until we get through the next couple of years and see how Webb's health is, and how the players we got for him do (or who we trade them for). Webb's stats over the next year and the leadership and heart he brought to this team are very relevant in determining if that trade was ultimately a good thing.
Anyway, I'm rambling (time for bed), but to make a long story short--- when the Kings play like they did tonight where they are so obviously lacking something & when Webb tears it up in Philly on the same night... it makes many of us miss him and what he brought to the team....
Anyway, I'm rambling (time for bed), but to make a long story short--- when the Kings play like they did tonight where they are so obviously lacking something & when Webb tears it up in Philly on the same night... it makes many of us miss him and what he brought to the team....
Goodness gracious, the whole board should get the chicken little award today.
Yes. The Kings sucked. They sucked big time.
But seriously, come on people. This was one game. One terrible, miserable game that made me want to stick hot pokers in my eyes, but it's just a tad early to be jumping off the Kings bandwagon. Anyone remember last year, when the Kings started 1-4? Anyone remember two years ago when the Kings went on the road early and got pasted by Denver and also lost to the Knicks? Isn't it juuuuust a tad early to be second-guessing the Webber trade, especially when his replacement was the only decent Kings player on the floor??
Truth is, when the Kings weren't, well, killing themselves slowly and painfully there was actually some promising developments, in my opinion. Here are a few:
- I don't know how many point blank shots the Kings missed, but they repeatedly got to the bucket, and those shots will fall on other nights.
- The fast breaks were actually fast!!! Sure Bibby turned it over just about every time, but heck, if you hadn't run a fast break in three years you might be rusty as well
- The high-low game between Miller and Bonzi is a very intruiging development, even if Bonzi missed everything
- Shareef looked pretty awesome, especially the hustle, although yes, he made PJ Brown look like an All-Star
- The team defense didn't look great, but the new quicker Kings were constantly in the passing lanes. There's some promise there.
- Peja was getting his own shot.
And I'm sorry, Philly can have Chris Webber. He can put in 50 points in the next three games, I really don't care. The new Kings are here, and even if they laid an egg in the first game I'm happy to watch a promising bunch with loads of potential.
Yes. The Kings sucked. They sucked big time.
But seriously, come on people. This was one game. One terrible, miserable game that made me want to stick hot pokers in my eyes, but it's just a tad early to be jumping off the Kings bandwagon. Anyone remember last year, when the Kings started 1-4? Anyone remember two years ago when the Kings went on the road early and got pasted by Denver and also lost to the Knicks? Isn't it juuuuust a tad early to be second-guessing the Webber trade, especially when his replacement was the only decent Kings player on the floor??
Truth is, when the Kings weren't, well, killing themselves slowly and painfully there was actually some promising developments, in my opinion. Here are a few:
- I don't know how many point blank shots the Kings missed, but they repeatedly got to the bucket, and those shots will fall on other nights.
- The fast breaks were actually fast!!! Sure Bibby turned it over just about every time, but heck, if you hadn't run a fast break in three years you might be rusty as well
- The high-low game between Miller and Bonzi is a very intruiging development, even if Bonzi missed everything
- Shareef looked pretty awesome, especially the hustle, although yes, he made PJ Brown look like an All-Star
- The team defense didn't look great, but the new quicker Kings were constantly in the passing lanes. There's some promise there.
- Peja was getting his own shot.
And I'm sorry, Philly can have Chris Webber. He can put in 50 points in the next three games, I really don't care. The new Kings are here, and even if they laid an egg in the first game I'm happy to watch a promising bunch with loads of potential.
That's true. The ball didn't bounce our way most of the night.
The fast break was terrible. Someone needs to tell Bibby he is a PG ... and that it is his job to PASS the ball. He forced it to the rim more times than I can count and he had a better option on the wing.
That's true. As did the high-low of everyone. The problem is that we don't get the ball into the post consistantly enough.
PJ Brown was initially covered by Miller ... and it wouldn't have mattered. Reef and Miller were constantly shuffling about the floor trying to cover Paul. Paul drove and kicked it out to Brown for 10 foot jumpers all night. Reef did the correct thing and force Paul to kick ... blame Bibby for allowing his man to penetrate at will.
That's scary, because he shouldn't be trying to.
The fast break was terrible. Someone needs to tell Bibby he is a PG ... and that it is his job to PASS the ball. He forced it to the rim more times than I can count and he had a better option on the wing.
That's true. As did the high-low of everyone. The problem is that we don't get the ball into the post consistantly enough.
PJ Brown was initially covered by Miller ... and it wouldn't have mattered. Reef and Miller were constantly shuffling about the floor trying to cover Paul. Paul drove and kicked it out to Brown for 10 foot jumpers all night. Reef did the correct thing and force Paul to kick ... blame Bibby for allowing his man to penetrate at will.
That's scary, because he shouldn't be trying to.
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