[Grades] Grades v. Heat 11/19/2015

We are 4-9 now. Will we ever reach .500 this season?

  • Yes, in 5 games

    Votes: 2 2.7%
  • yes, by Christmas

    Votes: 13 17.3%
  • yes, by January

    Votes: 20 26.7%
  • yes, after the all star break

    Votes: 10 13.3%
  • no, we are the Kings

    Votes: 30 40.0%

  • Total voters
    75
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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This franchise has a remarkably hard time generating any real stretch of good news/vibes, but its probably worth noting that we have been in these games, and that if ever could just once, somehow accidentally, get healthy and on the same page it wouldn't take much of a push to turn these Ls into Ws.

I should also note this: George Karl ball has us giving up 108.2 pts/gm, which would be the most since our stellar 17 win season in 2008-09 when we gave up 109.3.

Boxscore

Stats: 39min 16pts (7-11, 2-4, 0-4) 6reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 4TO
Summary: was doing his Morey thing, attack the middle and shoot threes, but got the details wrong with TOs and missed FTs

Casspi ( B- ) -- Omri went most of the way in this one and might have given about as standard an Omri performance as its possible to give, although going 0-4 from the free throw line was a bit much. There were a couple of threes, the second of which got us back to within 10 as we tried to hang around, and then of course his normal array of charges to the hoop and flip finishes, where Whiteside was less of a factor than I thought he would be. Too many forces though, as the turnovers mounted, and he blew a break with Rondo at the 5min mark that we needed in order to make another faux-hustle run at one of these things. --Brick

Stats: 25min 13pts (6-13, 0-0, 1-1) 12reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Summary: was scraping along, at least battling on the boards, and then, ruh roh, suddenly came up holding his shoudler, MRI tomorrow

Gay ( B- ) -- you could not say that Rudy looked comfortable in this one before we eventually lost him to a shoulder strain, but he was making enough tough shots to avoid the true struggle, and he was hitting the boars hard as our fill in PF. Early on he busted a hard pass under the hoop to Ben, but again was forcing tough shots into traffic. Its still something I want to lay at the feet of the dribble drive offense, as he just seems determined to drive it right into the teeth of the defense. Of course then again he's also tunnel visioning when he catches the ball inside and is surrounded by opponents. In any case, it was largely forced offense again, its just he is talented so some of the forces were going. He closed the first half forcing a long drive, scrapping for the offensive rebound, and scoring at the first half buzzer. Whiteside's presence after half didn't deter here from going at the rim, but on one foray he was going up and somebody -- Winslow maybe? was coming down on the arm at the same time. That btw is a good way to dislocate a shoulder, but the hit didn't look that hard. Still, Rudy came down holding his upper arm, and never returned. MRI today, and if Rudy's detractors think that's a good thing for us in our current situation, they have another thing coming. --Brick

Stats: 25min 6pts (3-8, 0-0, 0-2) 7reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Summary: jumped right out and looked to show Whiteside what's what, but foul trouble plagued him, and Hassan got him after half

Koufos ( C+ ) -- good job challenging Whiteside early, going over him with several hooks and then drawing a foul on him, but missing both FTs. Whiteside picked up 2 quickies, and we survived the early matchup there unscathed. Unfortunately that did not play in our favor as Ghostof Amare came in off the bench in a throwback night in Miami, and gave Kosta a lot more problems than Whiteside's primitive block and dunk game had. And then Kosta got into foul trouble, and it plagued him the rest of the half. By the time he got back to start the 3rd, a much different Hassan awaited him. He blew a little flip off of ball movement early on, and then the shotblocker was in full gear and Kosta went from factor to just some scrub watching it happen. Lost a lot of his later minutes to WCS, who it freaks Karl out to play at PF, but who he was willing to platoon at C tonight. --Brick

Stats: 32min 17pts (7-12, 3-4, 0-1) 1reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 4TO
Summary: played about 2/3 of a strong offensive game here, but turned it over, and Wade decided to explain things to the kid

McLemore ( B ) -- didn't look as smooth as he has in some of his other "look at me I can play!" outings, but there was again a confidence for much of the game, and while it wasn't there every play, he again had several good plays where he created something and set other guys up. He cut and caught a hard pass from Gay early in the game and finished it, then set Gay up in return off the bounce. Got free for a big flying dunk with 4min to go in the half, and threw an alley oop to WCS late in the half. But missed a technical FT, got stripped by a resurgent Wade up top going the other way (responded well though coming right back with a three) and got smushed at the rim on two layup attempts. At least Ben didn't seem to be shrinking, but Wade began to heat up and feel 25 again, and it became a one-sided battle after a while. --Brick

Stats: 40min 14pts (6-13, 2-3, 0-0) 9reb 18ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Summary: hohum, only barely missed his 5th triple double in 10 days and came within 1 of the franchise record for assists in a game. Ho hum.

Rondo ( A- ) -- It feels strange giving a guy with 18 assists and a rebound shy of a triple-double anything short of a perfect grade, but defensively, Rondo was nearly a non-factor. Offensively, Rondo didn't get his game going until the beginning of the third, going o for 3 in the first half. After that, though, he was slightly more aggressive with his shot, getting inside relatively easily against both Dragic and Tyler Johnson. The biggest improvement on offense was the drop in turnovers. I don't think that was entirely a coincidence with Cousins being out of the game. It forced Rondo to spread the ball to other scoring targets, which meant that defenses couldn't focus on shutting down the passing lane to the star player. As a result, the team scoring was very well-balanced -- guys were getting the ball in good spots and hitting shots at a good rate. On defense, I think it is clear that we are hiding Rondo at this point. We continue having either Casspi or Rudy guarding point guards while hiding Rondo on non-threats like Justise Winslow. I don't think that can continue as good teams are just exploiting the inevitable mismatches. Rondo will need to step up his defensive aggressiveness, both in defending primary ballhandlers and in playing passing lanes like he used to in Boston. --Hadlowe
 
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Bench

Stats: 22min 11pts (5-7, 0-0, 1-2) 5reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 3TO
Cauley-Stein ( B- ) -- well, finally got a decently long stint, albeit only off the bench behind Koufos, and perhaps only as long as it was because Koufos had foul trouble early. Nonetheless had inspired enough confidence to keep Koufos pinned to the bench in the second half until Willie's own foul trouble chased him. It was a game with a little more adventuresomeness than a normal WCS game. He had several turnovers, including an egregiously terrible inbound pass pass under his own hoop. He saved another with one of his blocks. He ran the floor for a nice alley opp pass from Ben late in the half, and late in the third had some sharp boardwork as well as a post move off the glass over fellow (much smaller) rookie Winslow. Surprisingly, and not too brightly, seemed reluctant to pursue Bosh all the way out to the three point line, and paid for it. Not only did Bosh hit 2 of them that way, both both times Karl expressed his pique by immediately substituting in Koufos for Willee. Fouls were a problem late, including several trying to chase guys on the perimeter, and he eventually fouled out on a bad call as Wade flailed into the paint late in the game. --Brick

Stats: 26min 23pts (5-11, 5-10, 8-9) 1reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Belinelli ( B+ ) -- Marco had a bit of a break through game for us, and his boxscore tells you a lot of what that meant. You want three point shooting? Well here, how about I turn myself into a human three point shot. He started things right off with back to back feet set threes as Rondo drove and dished. The third one was 25 feet out though and without much chance. And that was a problem as he hit 5-10 from 3pt land, as Jerry might say 23pts on 11 shots!!, but many of his misses were foolish forces. So focused on three point shooting was he that even 6 of his 8 FTs came as he got fouled on two three point attempts -- something he has a real knack for, as that has happened something like half a dozen times this season already. down the stretch we got a lot of the 2-small guards and Beli at the SF spot, and hey, we had offense. We also had a 34pt final quarter form the Heat as they held us off. Marco took at least one really dumb force in the final two minutes too. In a lot of ways, what he did tonight is what we need him to do with Cuz back, but it was pretty much all he did. It was an Anthony Morrow statline. --Brick

Stats: 21min 9pts (4-7, 0-0, 1-1) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Collison ( C+ ) -- Collison's grade is not entirely his fault tonight. On offense, he shot the ball well and pushed in transition, but those are the minimum things he is supposed to do. Defensively, he got absolutely smoked by his "matchup," Tyler Johnson. I put the scare quotes there because it is never clear who is guarding whom on this switch on every screen defensive scheme the Kings are running. In any case, Johnson, who is a decent little guard but nothing to really get excited about, shot 75% for the night, including 3 of 4 threes. Collison also did not do a great job of involving his teammates. Part of that is that he played second fiddle to Rondo at the point. The other part is that he completely missed about five clear passes to teammates for good looks, both inside and out. One particularly egregious example was after Collison had pushed the ball in transition, Belinelli came up about 5 feet behind him and had a three second window where he could have hit a wide open wing three. Collison missed the play entirely. --Hadlowe

Stats: 5min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Butler ( INC ) -- came in with his usual conserving energy 35 going on 50 game, missed one long jumper, that was it --Brick

Stats: 5min 0pts (0-1, 0-1, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Acy ( INC ) -- the energy man was twice brought in to play a few minutes vs. Bosh, the secodn time he threw up a missed three too --Brick
 
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I know we don't have many or any defensive studs but damn were giving up more than the Keith smart days? That was an awful defense

The franchise has committed to defense once in the past 5-6 seasons and its the only stretch of consistently competent basketball we've played. It isn't rocket science. The very concerns we had about Karl and small-ball pace prior to hiring him is on full display.
 
The franchise has committed to defense once in the past 5-6 seasons and its the only stretch of consistently competent basketball we've played. It isn't rocket science. The very concerns we had about Karl and small-ball pace prior to hiring him is on full display.
Right. You gotta wonder why Karl and other coaches are so obsessed with small ball it's only a gimmick that works with the right personnel (dubs, Lebron's Heat, ...and that's it)
 
I should also note this: George Karl ball has us giving up 108.2 pts/gm, which would be the most since our stellar 17 win season in 2008-09 when we gave up 109.3.

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Somewhere, Mike Malone is smirking.

I still contend that Malone would have this team at least 7-6 at this point. So Karl can take us through the next three years, but I think we should steal Malone away from the Nugs at that point.
 
Somewhere, Mike Malone is smirking.

I still contend that Malone would have this team at least 7-6 at this point. So Karl can take us through the next three years, but I think we should steal Malone away from the Nugs at that point.

If Karl is coach 3 years from now, we're all in trouble
 
Defense shouldn't even be a subject here. It all starts with the owner and then from there GM. It just hasn't been the MO for this franchise and it won't be until Karl is head coach. Maybe the next coach will preach it and stick to it.
 
Somewhere, Mike Malone is smirking.

I still contend that Malone would have this team at least 7-6 at this point. So Karl can take us through the next three years, but I think we should steal Malone away from the Nugs at that point.

If he even wants to come back. But hey, maybe we'll be lucky enough to have a different majority owner by then!

Whats extra annoying, is that I think Vlade would be a great GM for Malone. He brought in size, and defence.... Vlade has also been quoted as wanting Cuz to play like a big man, as opposed to this weird SF game Karl is encouraging.

Anyways.... I definitely hate pace. Hate small ball, and hate the lack of defense. Pretty much just hate Karl ball.

And to those saying we don't have good defenders.....

Cuz was an anchor last year, WCS is a defensive specialist (albeit a rookie), Kosta is a defender.... Malone had Ben, DC, even Rudy playing defense last season. Rondo has lost a step but is far from worthless on D, especially when keyed in. Acy has shown he can play defense... so has Anderson. Omri scraps and rebounds. Belli is probably our only guy who is hopeless on that end.

It's a cultural/system thing. It's also a getting to know your teammates thing, so time could help... The TOs definitely hurt us by allowing fast breaks....

I dunno.... I'm rambling. Definitely frustrating to watch us give up so many easy baskets.
 
Here's a comparison.

Den gives up 103.1 PPG to our 108.2 PPG.

But us being 2nd in pace compared to Den being 16th should yield superior offense and help cover the poor defense, right?

Nope.

Denver has a -3.4 point differential.

We're at a -4.5 point differential.

And Den doesn't have good defensive players, a star big or a vet PG dropping triple doubles. But draw your own conclusions.
 
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The Kings get caught in a lot of switches that don't make sense. I think Rudy loves Karl's defensive scheme because he can just hang out on D and if his man tries too hard he just calls for a switch and can continue to hang out.

On bright side B-Mac has played 4 good games in a row and has made 9 of his last 15 3s (60%) after making only 5 threes in his first 9 games. It's time for Ben to assert himself as a scorer in the 15-25 PPG range especially if Rudy is out for a while.
 
13 games should be enough of a sample size for the coaching staff to understand that this style of play doesn't work for the type of talent they are working with. The problem is, Cousins has missed enough games, along with Collison and a few others, that they will blindly believe it will still work once everybody gets "healthy". UGH.

While the Warriors certainly have a high-octane offense, our staff hasn't figured out that the real key to their success this season and last (besides some luck) has been their consistent defense. As long as defense remains a distant 2nd to offensive pace, this team will continue to struggle to get wins.
 
Some of the switches seem to just happen because players are told to switch any little movement between two offensive players. How many times have we seen Rondo or Collison end up on a switch that is totally unecessary. Its so annoying and teams instantly exploit the mismatch and score or we double and they end up with open threes. The Warriors can pull off that kind of stuff because they have 4 wings (Thompson, Iggy, Barnes, Green) who are all versatile defenders. We always seem to end up with Ben on PF's, Rondo on C's, Cousins and Koufos guarding PG's for no reason other than our scheme demanded a switch.
 
Kings D lacks key parts for even modest success on that side of the ball. Absolutely no lock down defender out on the wing, like in days past with a Ron Artest or a Doug Christie. Constantly exposed and exploited. We thought had bagged top-flight defender in Mbah a Moute but that blew up. There is no real commitment to tough minded defense starting with owner to coach to pace-plagued run, gun, run some more players. Golden State is very committed defensive team who has more than one lock down defender to generate that high octane offense off it. Let's face the fact that Kings will be struggling mightily to reach .500 until they correct this major flaw. Vlade, this is your current marching orders besides everything else you are worried about as Kings GM.
 
Doesn't mean we should not continue to measure the magnitude of that one mistake. As was said at the time by more than one national writer: the single worst coaching firing decision in the history of the NBA.

I'm just tracking the results.

What about other mistakes like drafting Jimmer over "X" player (literally we could have drawn a name out of hat in that draft that was available and it would have been better than Jimmer), drafting T-Rob over Lillard, letting Tyreke walk for nothing, Letting IT go for nothing when he signed a bargain contract. This franchise has made so many bad decisions, Vlade hasn't made any mistakes but I am really starting to worry Vlade is trying to steer a ship that is long gone and buried in the Pacific. We are really in a bind because its becoming obvious Karl is not the answer for the roster we have, but firing him throws this season away as no reputable coach will come here. We are pretty much stuck.
 
What about other mistakes like drafting Jimmer over "X" player (literally we could have drawn a name out of hat in that draft that was available and it would have been better than Jimmer), drafting T-Rob over Lillard, letting Tyreke walk for nothing, Letting IT go for nothing when he signed a bargain contract. This franchise has made so many bad decisions, Vlade hasn't made any mistakes but I am really starting to worry Vlade is trying to steer a ship that is long gone and buried in the Pacific. We are really in a bind because its becoming obvious Karl is not the answer for the roster we have, but firing him throws this season away as no reputable coach will come here. We are pretty much stuck.

None of those are nearly as negatively impactful as the firing of Malone.

But I don't think we are "stuck". Vlade represent a hope. Look what he did this offseason. A person like you may look at the offseason and say "Wow, even with all the positive changes Vladed did this offseason, we still can't turn it around." Whereas a person like me says "Vlade being here has shown we can change a seemingly stuck situation around quickly, we just need a few more changes, one of which being the head coach."

So, I contend that your solid conclusion that thigs are "stuck", is irrational. While you may think I'm irrational, I'm not promising success, but merely not writing it off. I'm also trending towards observing the positive changes, and weighting them more strongly in my analysis. The Malone firing though, in my mind, was obviously the single worst thing to happen to this team in the last ten years. If Karl has success, that redeems that negative decision. If not... well...

IT being let go for nothing doesn't even come close. You think the player we could have gotten for IT would teach this team how to play defense??? Give me break.
 
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It's better to look at points/100 possessions, but you knew that already.

100 possessions or not, if you allow 108.2 you need to score 109 a game just to be a .500 team.

We are averaging 103.3 pts a game. 13 games in. Which means in order to reach 109ppg on the season we'd have to average 110.1ppg the remainder of the season.

In the past 20 years exactly 10 teams have averaged 110pts/gm for a season. 5 of them were Pheonix teams, of course. 2 others were George Karl teams that he probably still has wet dreams about, then 2 Golden state teams, of course, last year's and the 2007 Nellie ball miracle team. And then 20 years ago the Orlando Magic, who I had forgotten played that fast in Shaq's first couple of years.

All of which is to say we have virtually no chance of even reaching .500 like this.
 
Here's a comparison.

Den gives up 103.1 PPG to our 108.2 PPG.

But us being 2nd in pace compared to Den being 16th should yield superior offense and help cover the poor defense, right?

Nope.

Denver has a -3.4 point differential.

We're at a -4.5 point differential.

And Den doesn't have good defensive players, a star big or a vet PG dropping triple doubles. But draw your own conclusions.

Denver doesn't have any good defensive players?

This tells me that you have NOT watched the Nuggets this year.....
 
The problem is, we tried to have a shake up without shaking up the mistakes of the last few years. Do I want to trade Cousins? Absolutely not. But we were headed in the right direction and now we're not. But we tried to stop a ship from sinking without covering the hole first. Karl isn't working, but we can't fire him without looking even more like a national joke. We can't trade Cousins because we can't rebuild due to the lack of draft picks in our future. And then there's the new arena. Of course we rushed to be relevant for the opening of the arena. But looking back, we should have rebuild from the ground up, like the T-Wolves are doing now post-Love. Too late for that. Can't exactly say "BUY TICKETS!!!" by trading your franchise player.
 
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