In what possible f'ing way are we in a better place than at the start of the season?
[Grades] Grades v. Heat 1/16/2015
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In what possible f'ing way are we in a better place than at the start of the season?
Honestly your shtick has gone far beyond "respecting different perspectives". When 99% of the board disagrees with every post you make, something doesn't add up.
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randymoss1881
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Why did you guys call for Pace to come back he only makes this situation worse.
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Let's try to make our points without resorting to personal attacks, shall we?
Let's try to make our points without resorting to personal attacks, shall we?
Fair enough.
Padrino
All-Star
you say that as if there's evidence to support such an argument...
Chubbs
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Style.
Jazz.
Pace.
NBA 3.0.
What's not to get? I hear with the new technology at the new arena you can page Vivek and he'll come right to your seat and give you a back rub. The future baby. Who cares about winning? That's for chumps.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I watched the first half. Then I read a novel. Woke up today. Fast forwarded through the 2nd half. (Thank God for the fast forward function on the DVR). It's hard to believe that this kind of lousy basketball is going to continue for the rest of the season, but that's probably the sad end to this season. If this is the way it's going to be, I have no problem with routing for lins. LIN, LIN, LIN. Sometimes you have to hit bottom from a 3,000 foot cliff to get a different perspective on things. Maybe Vivek will then finally wake the F up.
whozit
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Probable chance they get to keep the pick? I feel for the STH, I'm only on the hook for league pass.
Chubbs
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So we can pick another guy and put him through a season of trade rumors?
Done it to two straight lottery picks.
Are there any more NBA ready SGs out there we could waste a pick on?
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Problem as I see it is there's zero intention to debate and attempt to back up an opinion. Some have pretty outlandish views, but at the least they attempt to back it up. One-liners rarely help discussion.
As for intelligence equating to common sense, there's numerous intelligent owners and GM's across the NBA and pro sports landscape, yet some are far more successful than others, a few of which scrape the bottom of the barrel year in, year out. Getting hired as a GM doesn't equate to knowing what you're doing, as a fool like Kahn showed, nor does being a successful businessman equate to being a good NBA owner, as every owner is pretty successful in whatever sector made them hundreds of millions yet a number flat out fail as sports owners. What may be common sense to a surgeon on an operating table is hardly common sense for Donald Trump, yet what's common sense to Trump in a real estate deal will hardly be common sense to the surgeon. Success if one field is just that, success in one field, not success in another.
Padrino
All-Star
i certainly don't count that as a positive. as long as that pick remains encumbered, the kings will not be able to package immediate first-rounders in mid-season trade scenarios, and given the premium that all teams are placing on first rounders under the new CBA, this puts the kings at a distinct disasvantage on the trade market. i'd rather they just get it over with; make a run at the playoffs, convey the pick to chicago, and free up future first-rounders for trade bait. the kings need to get better in a hurry if they want a winner in time for the opening of the new arena, and adding more rookies to the pile won't serve the pressures of that goal...
Fear the Putin
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Kazakh volleyball player? I like...
kupman
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At the beginning of the season, this was the last year on Rudy's contract. An inflated contract as well all know. We now have him for a longer period at a much more reasonable price.
I think we all know what this team looks like without Rudy. Having the core 3 signed for a few years is a big deal. Indeed, we are in a better place than we were at the beginning of the season.
Now we simply need a few more players to help the core 3.
Core 3? We don't have a 'core 3'. We have a 'core 2', a guy punching above his weight class, and three, maybe four decent role players. None of the rest of these guys compliment each other, and even the ones that do aren't suited to the style that the people running the team want them to run.
Chubbs
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I've gotta ask. Is Reggie Evans on his last NBA legs or what? Has his defense always been this bad? He just kills the team out there. He has zero discernible offensive skills, his defense is an F. He had as much chance of guarding Bosh as I do. What does he do exactly? He's just in the way out there. No one should ever under any circumstances should pass him the ball.
One could argue that we miss Landry even more than Rudy cause of how incredibly awful Evans is all around. All he can do is grab a rebound, and even then, it's an adventure seeing him try to maintain possession.
A D was generous, cause his overall impact was abysmal.
And how incredibly awful is Ryan Hollins if he can't beat out Evans? Nice clutch signing PDA. I'd love to see what data point directed him to Hollins and Evans.
One could argue that we miss Landry even more than Rudy cause of how incredibly awful Evans is all around. All he can do is grab a rebound, and even then, it's an adventure seeing him try to maintain possession.
A D was generous, cause his overall impact was abysmal.
And how incredibly awful is Ryan Hollins if he can't beat out Evans? Nice clutch signing PDA. I'd love to see what data point directed him to Hollins and Evans.
Padrino
All-Star
reggie evans intentionally sacrifices defensive ground in order to gain rebounding position. if you watch him on D, he regularly stalks rebounds before a play has finished. opponents slip under him all the time while he prematurely boxes out...
Uncia03
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If you find out during the upcoming off-season that Rudy wants out...that he signed the extension under the assumption that the team had turned the corner in terms of stability and that he thought the team with Cousins and under Malone had a chance to make some noise...would that change your view on this being a successful season.
And even more concerning, if we hear that Cousins wants out because he wants to play for an organization that is striving desparately to win...and he no longer has trust in this organization that Winning is a priority...would you still consider this all to be a success?
The fans are beginning to give up...and if they are...how do you think both Cousins and Rudy are feeling right now?
Yes, Evans' defense has always been this bad, but people tend to overlook it, because rebounds. He's a good enough character guy, and he plays hard, and in games where he gets a lot of minutes, he's subject to have, like, fifteen rebounds. But he's never been a good defender: he doesn't deny position, he doesn't contest shots, he's useless on a switch, he'd rather drift away from his man to make sure he can get the rebound than box out, which only works out when he actually gets the rebound. He approaches competency in help rotation, but he only bothers to do it if he's fairly confident that a shot is not imminent, because og forbid that he not be going after the rebound.
The Hammer
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With the Maloofs, you always knew their end was inevitable. And no, we haven't been in worse shape. There is SO much more on the line right now, with Cousins. And, frankly with Rudy being betrayed. Our top two guys new feel betrayed by ownership. And this ownership has enough money to sink their teeth into the franchise and and hold on tight and really **** it up. They've now lost the trust of the greatest player the Kings have acquired in the last 40 years. Cousins may not have trusted the Maloofs, but at least we all knew they were going down in flames. This situation now is much more dire. I'll peek and see who's coach at the beginning of next year, but if it's not Karl or Malone (not Karl Malone either), I'm probably not interested. And the players probably aren't either.
So it's a success because the front office fooled Rudy Gay? Well, I guess that's where we've sunk to.
I am about 99.994% positive that Gay would not be here without Malone. The chemistry he developed with Cousins over the summer, in addition to what he saw (and what we saw) from Malone was worth it for him to say, "Hey, Sac is turning the corner! I want in."
Hell, they barely let the ink dry on Gay's contract before canning Malone.
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The Hammer
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Let's get clear on one thing: VIVEK RANADIVE did not save this team. THE FANS and KEVIN JOHNSON saved this team. We had buyers LINING UP to buy the Kings. Burkle was waiting in the wings, who is much richer than Vivek. We also had a buyer group in place ready to buy the Kings the didn't include Ranadive. He came on late in the game.
Don't get me wrong, we were all happy to have him, but he did NOT save this team.
For you to state such a thing shows you know absolutely nothing about the history of this team and further proves your status as a fraud/plant.
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rainmaker
Hall of Famer
When you're extremely short-sided and narrow-minded in your viewpoint and block all else out, I guess so. Maybe. Probably not.
Actually, no.
At this point, anyone who takes anything Pace posts seriously has only himself/herself to blame.
John Galt
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I get what you are saying, but I think Vivek actually deserves a little more credit than that. We needed somebody with sufficient gravitas to overcome the huge Seattle bid and the appeal of Seattle as a market. Mastrov couldn't do it alone or he would not have brought in Vivek to be Chairman. It was more than just gathering money - Vivek brought a little more than that. With his NBA 3.0 stuff, his India stuff, he did play a big role in "saving the Kings". Not bigger than Mayor Johnson, but second biggest I think.
That's why I want him to sacrifice Pete D'Alessandro to save himself. We need Vivek - we need to be able to like him and back him. So he needs to repent of his sins, surrender PDA, stay in the background on basketball operations stuff.... and we can all live happily ever after.
I know what you're saying but Ron Burkle had to step aside because of a conflict of interest. Vivek Ranadive did save the team. Without his financial support, the deal might not have come to fruition. We can acknowledge that, however, and still not be happy with what's happening right now.
The Hammer
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I see what you're saying, but I put the fans efforts WAAAY above Ranadive. We would have attracted any number of other buyers to get a deal done. There was no way the NBA was leaving Sacramento with the arena deal we had put together (done by KJ, and the city, i.e. the fans). As long as we simply had a competitive bid. We did not need his gravitas. Other potential owners would have showed their special shine if put in that position. There was a stable of them lining up.
John Galt
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Much as I hate to be taking Vivek's side right now, or countering your point because I generally see eye t0 eye with you and I can't say that about so very many people ... would you go ahead and name some of the stable you refer to?
The vote was only 22-8. 7 votes from oblivion, and again... we know Mastrov wanted the team bad - he had bid before. If he only needed to scratch up a few bucks, he would have - and he would be chairman. I don't think it is fair to deny Vivek a substantial share of credit for 'saving the team'. He worked hard, presented well, came up with the dough... come on give the guy a little credit.
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