kingsboi
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Maybe by the time Karl realizes how to distribute the minutes properly it will be all ready to late.
[Grades] Grades v. Hawks 11/18/2015
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Maybe by the time Karl realizes how to distribute the minutes properly it will be all ready to late.
KingsFanGER
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You do realize, that I'm advocating Willie starting and playing more minutes too? Maybe I didn't make it clear in my response to your post.
I just questioned Cuz+Willie/KK lineups, because in previous post there was the demand to put Cuz in the post again. And I don't know, if this is a good way going forward.
And I don't know, if I agree, that pace is our problem.
That's because I don't see us playing at an extremely high pace, despite the numbers saying otherwise.
We have a lot of run outs, that seem to be quite efficient. We have a lot of early shots created by Cuz trailing for 3's or drives. We score well, when Cuz or KK beats his man by running the floor and seals him in the paint.
So I suppose these kind of plays push our pace stat quite a bit.
Outside of these plays, I don't think the pace is that high, that it should be related to our TO problem.
We drive into traffic a lot and just from the eyetest, lose the ball quite a bit doing it.
And we turn over the ball because of stupid unforced errors too.
But hey. After all this is just the way interpret our games. And the numbers could be right.
Blob
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Well, I don't know, its entirely possible Pete Havlicek did shoot 35%.
Now John Havlicek or Pete Maravich, not so much,
Not sure which one Karl referenced, probably just an old coach reference to a style of ballhandling/creating/shooting SG.
It was Pete Maravich and that was the exact reference. The problem through my eyes is Marco has crafty moves and savvy but he lacks the speed and quickness to create space. The Kings hoped they could turn him into more than a spot-up guy but so far he has failed at expanded role. He showed what he could do in pre-season game against Portland when I think he had 30 points and he created his own shot but that was against small guards (CJ McCollum and Lillard) in a who-cares game.
Whatever the problem is it needs to be fixed. 2-3 times this season if he had gone on a hot streak instead of fizzled out (last night, HOU, PHX) he could have been a difference maker and we'd be .500 instead of .333.
kingjatt
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Karl isn't as bad as Smart but he is seriously trying to get too cute with the rotations and it is hurting the team. We have the personnel to get defensive stops but Karl seems to put priority on speedy junk ball above all, until he realizes the importance of playing a Full Size lineup in key moments of close games we will continue to give up to many buckets.
Blob
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Karl wanted to match muscle with muscle and brawn against brawn in putting Acy on Milsap. I get the logic but in reacting to opponent strengths you negate your own. The Kings advantage over the league is Willie and DMC on the frontline and mobility and length of these players. Our stubborn coach needs to realize where we have an edge instead of allowing his rookie/vet bias to get in the way.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
DeMarcus will be suspended a game (my opinion). Horford shoved him in the chest first but you can't react like that. Horford knows exactly how to get a reaction out of Cuz, I don't think this is the first time he's done similar.
Winnable game but we played like ****.
Winnable game but we played like ****.
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kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I have this notion that who ever comes to this organization just gets dumber.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
It goes both ways really.
Letsgokings13
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Why doesn't Karl let other teams adjust accordingly to us? Why do we have to be the team that changes because of them? WCS is good for just about any game to start.
SacKings384
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System imo. The Spurs have a system and they have players understand their role in that system. Hearing someone like Ben (allegedly) say "I don't even know my role" is a problem. Pop tweaked his system to adapt with the new quicker pace. But to me right now it seems like the Kings are playing streetball. When you watch the Warriors/Spurs/Clipppers play you'll notice that these guys don't hesitate on their passes, because they KNOW where the other guy is going to be before they even look. For the Kings not so much. That hesitation is the difference between an open three and a contested one. It's the difference between a Rondo assist or a pass out of bounds. The system is everything in basketball. These are NBA players. They can hit open shots. They just need to get them and feel comfortable knowing what they're doing.
SacKings384
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Starting Acy was ABSURD. Millsap and Horford notoriously struggle against LENGTH. So you bring in Acy? When you have WCS? Whaaaaaaat?
SacKings384
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We're third to last in turnovers per game with 16.6. It's not because of our fast pace either, as the Clippers are the third best in the NBA with a similar team makeup. Right now there's nothing fluid about the Kings offense. It's very clunky. I can't think of many stretches where the Kings looked like they were getting EASY baskets. Everything is difficult. Rudy contested 8-12 footers. Boogie barreling his way into the lane. Rondo mid-range. Contested Marco three.
The Kings have a ton of TALENT. So they hit these shots at a decent clip, but it's just not sustainable against decent teams. My hope is that the Kings are just adapting to a new system. But what I want to see is guys like Marco, Ben, and even somewhat Cassipi STATIONARY in their positions. All these guys are getting the ball and trying to create, and it's not working very well. I at least want to see that they have designated spots on the floor where they are supposed to be. If they're there, Rondo will hit them.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Here I thought we were done doing this based on the last 6 or 7 coaches doing exactly that.
I honestly think that Karl is doing this because he is not confident about what this team is, it seems clear to me that he doen't really trust WCS or any SG right now- so he adjusts the lineup according to the opponent because the team lacks a clear hierarchy or identity.
CuzistanKing
G-League
Problem is though, the coach IS the person responsible for that hierarchy/identity (set up, preferably, based on the the strengths of his players). Going with 9 different line-ups in 11 games is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing if you want to set up ANY identity, let alone a competent/winning one. So yeah, I'm not sure what Karl's vision is except "read and react" to what the opposite coach is doing for any given game. Because consistency is overrated, these guys are all professionals that need to stay focused no matter what, amirite?
Funny thing is, most everyone wants to give Karl 20+ games to settle into whatever the voices in his head tell him to do; but Karl himself doesn't seem to be willing to give his own players that long to show what THEY can do. I mean the whole Acy vs. WCS aspect yesterday was just comical.
Agree. TOs did it and who is the one wih seven TOs? That did it. It wasn't the coach. Rondo was helped by Gay unsuscessfully and nwisely forcing it.
lawlman91
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Seriously. Image a Collison/Casspi/Gay/WCS/Cousins lineup. Size everywhere. Long and fast wing defenders that can shoot the 3-ball + one small guy that can shoot the 3-ball. Cousins with space, and WCS in rebounding position. Heaven.
Siranthony
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My two cents... Really we where the better team minus the second half melt down in the last few minutes. That showed that we are not ready for that much pace. I think it was a failure by the coach to let it go on as long as it did. The other problem was Rondo. He had a bad night. He kept throwing the ball out of bounds randomly. He reminded me of Jason Williams. But you have to accept the good with the bad. we still almost came back despite all the problems. Maybe we can focus tonight.
We would have just switched and had our guards guarding Millsap and Horford anyway.
Players have different styles, so "hey, it's not like they lead the league in pace by a margin" argument might not apply that well to a guy, who's used to "walking the ball up the court". That why you see so many passing heaves by Rondo in transition/early offense - not used to lead the action himself, but is told to deliver the ball to the other end as quickly as possible.
When Collison is put next to Rondo/Gay/Cousins, there are too many on-the-ball guys on the floor, plus the best shooter somehow becomes the main ballhandler in this wacky scenario, so it becomes Boogie/Rudy either frozen out or forcing.
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Kingster
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Hard to win when there are 7 TOs from your point guard.
Gay continues to look awful most of the time when he dribbles more than twice.
Cousins didn't have a great 3 point shooting spree, and his energy seemed subpar to me.
I didn't see much of a diff between WCS and Acy's impact on the game. WCS's length was reduced by the Hawks ball movement, which caused him to be out of position and guarding space rather than a man.
Gay continues to look awful most of the time when he dribbles more than twice.
Cousins didn't have a great 3 point shooting spree, and his energy seemed subpar to me.
I didn't see much of a diff between WCS and Acy's impact on the game. WCS's length was reduced by the Hawks ball movement, which caused him to be out of position and guarding space rather than a man.
Let's get it done tonight. The team needs road wins to gain confidence.
Napear has been after Cousins for a long time. Nothing he says surprises me any more. Remember, he's done the same thing before with other players - most notably the accusations about Bobby Jackson feigning an injury.
Off of him? Good one. Cousins did kinda get shoved in the neck area but that was unintentional on a box out. Posted this in the game thread (and Brick posted a good video of it): Does it look like Horford is on Cousins?
What you're doing is exactly what I hope the league doesn't do: look at the second act without regard for the initial act.
My best guess is that Cousins will be fined. My best hope would be that any action taken against Cousins also be taken against Horford.,
Big Cuz 15
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how u gonna question his coaching when he's got almost 1000 games won.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
lmfao. does he have an eightball that he uses to figure out the line up before each game?
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