Grades v. Grizzlies 11/19

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( C+ ) -- huge part of our early burst, and then just totally disappeared for the entire middle part of the game. Did not reemerge until the 4th, when he got smart and started to attack the rim rather than throw up off-balance threes. Got to the line, and able to pick up some easy points that way. Also began to make some nice sharp passes in the 4th to set up teammates. Still too little, too late. And now we come to the broken record portion of Peja's grade -- Peja, will you PLEASE GET YOUR 6'9" 235lb BODY ONTO THE BLEEPING BOARDS!!! Had one rebound throuogh 35 minutes. ONE. Putting incredible pressure on our bigs. And with Miller really struggling, Webb was left fighting a one man battle against every Grizzly over 6'6". Finally stepped forward to grab a few big boards late. This one started out as as A for Peja, sank all the way down to perhaps a D, but thought he made some important contributions to our come from behind 4th, so let's say overall maybe a...C+.
Webber ( A+ ) -- Welcome back superstar! Thank god for Webb tonight -- legs looked really alive. Was a big part of our big early surge, and then tried to singlehandedly keep us close as the rest of the team went ice cold in the third. Finished the game off with a huge 4th quarter where he simply took over the way a superstar is susposed to. Was also the ONLY King anywhere remotely around the boards. Lot of inside hoops again -- the man has definitely changed his mix this year. Put a lot of pressure on the Grizzlies big men and hit big shot after big shot late. Andstepped up defensively late in the game with big stops on Gasol as well.
Miller ( D- ) -- wow. Bad scrappy effort. By bad and scrappy, I mean he was efforting out there, but the results were bad bad bad. Just looked horribly outmatched physically by the longer Gasol and Stromile Swift. Missed some chippies early on easy hoops set up by Webb passes, then kept on driving and getting his shot stuffed in his face. Got so desperate that he even broke out a pretty good looking post move...which he missed. Of greater concern though was his total absence on the boards and defense. Gasol and Swift were just running around him, going over him, whatever it took. In some ways I'm not sure what's an "F" if this wasn't for him. But he hung in there, was working, and we won. So a slight bump.
Christie ( B+ ) -- best effort of the season for Doug. Very active all over the court, and gave us a real boost on offense not only by scoring, but especially with his passing as well. Doug's assists are really the great x-factor that peopel don't always talk about wiht him. One of the best off guards in the league, and one of the reasons we are such a good passing team overall. On the other hand, not a huge impact defensively (was guarding JWill, and looked a step slow) again, and made some sloppy turnovers. Still a very encouraging game -- we need this guy if we're going to make any sort of run this year, and this was the first game Doug really looked like Doug.
Bibby ( B- ) -- started off the game hot, but cooled off as the game went along. Late in the game was really not helping -- not his traditional late game heroics. Still choking his FTs -- missed one late that could have hurt us. Overall still pretty good numbers. 18pts. No turnovers. But think he had 12-14 of those at half.
BJax ( B- ) -- bit of an erratic effort, but just about the only thing coming off our bench tonight. Hit some key shots, but did not pass at all. Grabbed a huge rebound with 8 seconds to go and the Kings up by 3 to ice the game. Well, not quite ice it -- was fouled and went down to the other end and choked the first FT to tease us. But sank the second, and game over.
Songaila ( C ) -- biggest thing Darius did was foul tonight. Scored a few hoops, but he's really contributing to our rebounding woes right now. Just too short and athletically challenged to contend ont he galss with the jumping jacks. Got burned badly by Brian Cardinal of all people on defense too. Now THAT'S embarrassing -- Petey Carril working on a his second six pack of the night can stay in front of Brain Cardinal.
Ostertag ( INC ) -- brief and largely ineffective stint on the first half, pretty active.
Barnes ( INC ) -- brief first half stint. Active defense. Couple of fouls, nothing else.

Adelman ( B ) -- well...we won. Wild game. We were obviously ready to go at the start of the game. But then not ready at all coming out of half? Then recovered. Short, short rotations. So not as if Rick was experimenting with different lineups. Pretty much played it straight and showed confidence in his main guys to get it done. Not that anyone off the bench was exactly arguing for more PT. Pissed me off again by pulling Webb for a last second shot on defense. Again, no, you don't want to give up the three, but who's going to grab the board?? Thankfully Bobby waded in there to save our butts. Don't want to be depending on your 6'1" backup PG to be grabbing the big boards that often.
 
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Bibby (B) Good but not great, solid game.

Christe (A-) Doug's all around best game of this young season. Gets a minus because of stupid turnovers.

Stojakovic (B) Seemed to be forcing some shots but that could have been from the defensive pressure. Made up for it with smart passes, defense, and drawing fouls.

Webber (A) Made a clutch shot. Even his missed freethrows ended up helping the team.

Miller (D+) Didn't board and couldn't shoot tonight.

Jackson (C) got beat by Watson a few times. Gave enough scoring off the bench to help the team. Had a scary moment when he missed that first freethrow during the end of the 4th.

Songalia (C+) Solid play off the bench, again fouling too much.

Barnes (INC) tempted to give him a C+ for coming in and causing that turnover.

Ostertag (D) Grabbed a nice offensive rebound, actually hit a freethrow! Filled up the paint and saved an easy basket for Gasol.
 
Grades way to high considering the way we defended. I guess a win covers a lot but it is becoming very alarming. Fans at ARCO were booing tonight (end of 3rd)
 
Looks fair to me. I know he's not out on the court, but Rick has *got* to find a way to motivate these guys to box out. It's not hard--we do it in our local pickup games all the time. It mostly just involves paying attention!

Sure the Grizz are athletic, but we could at least slow them down by putting a body on.
 
Mad D said:
bah! sorry Brick I made another one of these threads.. could you please merge them..
No, my bad MadD. I got distracted, throught this together late, and then put it out here half done just to have a thread. If I had seen yours, would have joined yours instead of the other way around.
 
not arguing about the grades, but there was something i didn't understand.
peja was HOT the first quarter, but then immediately aldeman made him sit down, and he never came back in the game as far as his shooting was concerned.
same thing happened to webber at the end of 3rd or maybe early in 4th. it seemed to me he was doing really well and on a roll, but then aldeman made him sit down. he was able to come back with a MVP performance, but i still dont' know why they switched players during those important times.
can someone explain that, please?
 
fakie said:
not arguing about the grades, but there was something i didn't understand.
peja was HOT the first quarter, but then immediately aldeman made him sit down, and he never came back in the game as far as his shooting was concerned.
same thing happened to webber at the end of 3rd or maybe early in 4th. it seemed to me he was doing really well and on a roll, but then aldeman made him sit down. he was able to come back with a MVP performance, but i still dont' know why they switched players during those important times.
can someone explain that, please?
needed to get them rest.

I noted the Peja thing though -- he never really recovered after he returned. Still, he can't play all 48.

Sitting Webber in the 4th scared me, but we hung close enough to give him a shot to carry us. Could have gone badly, but he got a rest and then was fresh down the stretch. Both are pretty standard coaching moves.
 
fakie said:
not arguing about the grades, but there was something i didn't understand.
peja was HOT the first quarter, but then immediately aldeman made him sit down, and he never came back in the game as far as his shooting was concerned.
same thing happened to webber at the end of 3rd or maybe early in 4th. it seemed to me he was doing really well and on a roll, but then aldeman made him sit down. he was able to come back with a MVP performance, but i still dont' know why they switched players during those important times.
can someone explain that, please?

Who knows ?

However, he did take the ball out of Bibby's hands at the end of the game. DC did great as PG. It was the best coaching move RA has done in a while.
 
^^ adelman was probably just giving them rest so he can use them later.. i was wondering why he sat webb early in the 4th too after that hot start, but i guess the plan worked ebcause webb was rested and played like an MVP when he came back..

i can't speak on the peja thing cause i wasn't able to watch that part (thank you espn)

agree with the grades, brick.. cwebb A+ enough said.. and yes.. even his missed FTs ended up helping us hehe :)
 
piksi said:
Fans at ARCO were booing tonight (end of 3rd)
Strange. I didn't hear that - at all.

You seem to think the fans at Arco are prone to booing. They aren't; they never have been and hopefully they never will be. Hearing boos in Arco is a notable exception, not a rule...
 
Variant said:
Looks fair to me. I know he's not out on the court, but Rick has *got* to find a way to motivate these guys to box out. It's not hard--we do it in our local pickup games all the time. It mostly just involves paying attention!

Sure the Grizz are athletic, but we could at least slow them down by putting a body on.
From what I've seen so far this season, we're definitely one of the most fundamentally weak at boxing out and pursuing rebounds. It's frustrating to watch.
 
fakie said:
not arguing about the grades, but there was something i didn't understand.
peja was HOT the first quarter, but then immediately aldeman made him sit down, and he never came back in the game as far as his shooting was concerned.
yeah, i noticed that, too..

i wasn't too happy about the way adelman played the guys tonight, but at least it's a w.
 
VF21 said:
Strange. I didn't hear that - at all.

You seem to think the fans at Arco are prone to booing. They aren't; they never have been and hopefully they never will be. Hearing boos in Arco is a notable exception, not a rule...
VF21. I didn't hear any loud boos, but ESPN announcers pointed out that fans were booing towards the end of 3rd qtr. I believe it was on the play where we had a shot clock violation.

I was upset though to see people heading for the exits with 30 seconds left and a 2 pt game. I mean is couple of minutes really going to make that much difference? (althiugh I've never been at ARCO so I don't know if how tough traffic gets after the games - although I doubt it is any worse than traffic after a Cubs game) :)
 
VF21 said:
Strange. I didn't hear that - at all.

You seem to think the fans at Arco are prone to booing. They aren't; they never have been and hopefully they never will be. Hearing boos in Arco is a notable exception, not a rule...
i think piksi was referring to the end of the third quarter when the fans booed cause the kings didn't get a shot off.. they had a shot clock violation, and they were down 8 at that point.. there were a few boos there.. but that was the only time i heard the boos.. that was a frustrating time for king fans, too.. kinda understandable boos, but still very unnecessary, ofcourse..
 
LMM said:
i think piksi was referring to the end of the third quarter when the fans booed cause the kings didn't get a shot off.. they had a shot clock violation, and they were down 8 at that point.. there were a few boos there.. but that was the only time i heard the boos.. that was a frustrating time for king fans, too.. kinda understandable boos, but still very unnecessary, ofcourse..
Understandable boos? Not in my book. Bibby made a mental error - he makes very, very few - and he deserves to be booed?

Arco has never been about boos - and those who booed tonight are, IMHO, not representative of the true fans who are there to enjoy the game and root their team on. Boo because of a shot clock violation? Moan, sure. Ohhhhhhhh. Not a problem. But boo???

...sigh...

First are the boos. Then fans throw things - like glowsticks. Then...

...

...

Detroit.

And yes, maybe I'm over-dramatizing. But I'm seeing changes in this game I've loved so well since 1964 that really make me sad.
 
VF21 said:
Strange. I didn't hear that - at all.

You seem to think the fans at Arco are prone to booing. They aren't; they never have been and hopefully they never will be. Hearing boos in Arco is a notable exception, not a rule...

I have the tape of the game. End of 3rd, 2 man game, Bibby hogging the ball for 22 sec. Gives it ton CW who could not get a shot in time. You can clearly hear the boos. We lost that period by 17.
 
VF21 said:
Understandable boos? Not in my book. Bibby made a mental error - he makes very, very few - and he deserves to be booed?

Arco has never been about boos - and those who booed tonight are, IMHO, not representative of the true fans who are there to enjoy the game and root their team on. Boo because of a shot clock violation? Moan, sure. Ohhhhhhhh. Not a problem. But boo???
maybe not "understandable" boos..i think you understood it as me saying the boos were justified.. what i meant to say was i understood why they booed.. (frustrating quarter + frustrating way to end the qtr) ofcourse i don't like it when fans boo players and i think booing is very unnecessary.. what they needed at that time was support from the fans..
 
-Kudos to RA for getting ahold of the team late and actually calling the plays, but I think that is something he should have done earlier in the game and then maybe the Kings wouldn't have been in that situation.

-DC was killing me with some of those turnovers.

- A+ to Arco late in the game for giving the Kings that extra home crowd "umph" only the way that the Arco faithful can. That place was rockin!
 
LMM said:
maybe not "understandable" boos..i think you understood it as me saying the boos were justified.. what i meant to say was i understood why they booed.. (frustrating quarter + frustrating way to end the qtr) ofcourse i don't like it when fans boo players and i think booing is very unnecessary.. what they needed at that time was support from the fans..
:o

Sorry if I over-reacted. Tonight has been very emotional. I sat down just expecting to watch a Kings game and instead I saw something that left me stunned and sad.

I did misunderstand your comment.

Mea culpa.

:o :o
 
ReinadelosReys said:
- A+ to Arco late in the game for giving the Kings that extra home crowd "umph" only the way that the Arco faithful can. That place was rockin!
very right. i was hoping the fans would show memphis what home-court is about.
i was contributing in front of my TV too :D
 
VF21 said:
Strange. I didn't hear that - at all.

You seem to think the fans at Arco are prone to booing. They aren't; they never have been and hopefully they never will be. Hearing boos in Arco is a notable exception, not a rule...
I think I heard some boos, but I'm still not sure if they were against the Kings or not. I really tend to think it was over a Grizzly doing something off camera cause the announcers thought they were booing at Webb.
 
Good grades. Good game, aside from the third quarter, which would get Rick Adelman a D in my book. But he made up for it with some good decisions in the fourth. He'd get a C+, maybe a B- for the win, but you have to make some adjustments when the Grizzlies are on a 12-1 run and we're jacking up jumper after broke jumper.

Webber was in 2002-03 form last night. Good showing from the cancer. /sarcasm

Bibby wasn't in the game mentally. Hit a big three late, but other than that, went unnoticed on offense. Got torched by White Chocolate (whens the last time you heard that?) on defense. Throwback Tim Hardaway crossover to the three pointer late in the fourth that had me worried. Not about the game, but about Bibby needing his ankles re-taped. Average showing.

Neither was Peja, until midway through the fourth. Good passing, good defense, but needs to remember that scoring is more than hitting three pointers. Like Brick said, he finally started getting his big a** to the free throw line instead of launching off balance 25 footers. That really bumped his grade, IMO. Slightly above average game.

Bobby started off good, then started pissing me off. He needs to stop gunning so much and let the game come to him. And he's so frustrated that his jumper isn't falling that he's forgotten that he can take almost every guard in the League to the rack off the dribble. He also forgot to move his feet on defense, as Earl F. Watson blew past him time and again.

Brad Miller...? 'Nuff said.

Doug played a stellar game. I still believe that he's the X-Factor for this team. When Doug plays good, we tend to win.

Good game, boys. Sorry your triumphant night had to be ruined by the disrespect of the few knuckleheads in Detroit. Sad day for NBA basketball.
 
sloter said:
Pedja gets a B, Webber definitely an A, although whoever was guarding Swift deserves a Z.

Well, grades are never based on overall game performance. Just impressions.
 
Web looks to be back in form, moving oh-so-much better than end of season last year. Anybody else notice he's spending more time in the paint?

I would not have given Adelman the B for the game, however. He had only 2 starters on the floor during the 2nd quarter when the game was close and it would have been advantageous to move ahead enough to give a comfortable lead, then insert more bench later in the game. These bench guys (Evans, Tag & Martin) have just GOT to get into some more games, especially when we are at home AND have the extra advantage against lesser teams.

"Average" is a good description of Bibby's game - 18, 4, and 5. I'll take average every night, he's just been stellar for the last several games.

Swift was knocking us out, off the bench--WOW.

I feel the same way Superman does about DC. He's the magic wand with respect to leadership on the floor, he just naturally encourages by his defense and playmaking skills.

I'm concerned about Tag. He's still not looking like he knows where he is and is too sensitive about making lousy plays (which he has made more of than contributions, imo).

Not everyone is gonna have a par excellent game every night, but it sure helps when one or more can come thru with game winning performances to tip the scales, which is what happened last night...along with some other interesting goings-on in the league (ouch, hurts).
 
sloter said:
Pedja gets a B, Webber definitely an A, although whoever was guarding Swift deserves a Z.
Well early in the game Swift was making jumpers because Webb was giving them to him since Swift isn't that great of a shooter. Most of those inside dunks came courtesy of Ostertag (dunk of the game) and Miller when Songalia switch to play Gasol (which he does better). So it should be a little bit of all the big mens fault.
 
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