Grades v. Clippers 11/12

Who had the worst case of Clipperitis tonight?

  • Baron Davis

    Votes: 25 32.5%
  • Chris Kaman

    Votes: 26 33.8%
  • Marcus Camby

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Mikki Moore

    Votes: 24 31.2%

  • Total voters
    77
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
In 25 years of watching the Clippers the thing that has always baffled me is the impression that they just don't care. Does not matter who puts on that dead unifrom -- the life just gets sucked right out of them.

Thompson ( A- ) -- two career starts now, and we have 15 and 9 in the first, and 16 and 11 in the second. Not All-Star numbers, but pretty damn solid for playing out of position. Of course it must be said that both opponents have hit him up for 20+ points (and neither averages that many) , but again, these have been out of position starts. Looked more comfortable out there from the start in this one. Made some mistakes around the perimeter, but wasn't heistant. Helped us dominate the glass in this one with hs SF rebounding (our "small" forward grabbed 11, our "power" forward grabbed 1) -- although whoever durgged the Camby (13.1rebs/gm last year)/Kaman (12.7rebs/gm last year) duo before the game perhaps deserves more credit. Best part of the effort was that Jason played a major role in us hanging on down the stretch. It was kind of stupid that we were even in danger, as the Clippers were just awful for most of the night and mounted a comeback by doing nothing more than chucking up threes, but in the end Jason was one of the guys who stepped up to help us avoid another embarrassing collapse, getting all the big boards down the stretch and scoring over smaller defenders (the Clipper sometimes had 6'3" Cat Mobley checking him :eek:) inside. Is hitting tht little midrange jumper with nice consistency now as well after struggling mightily wiht it in preseason. Would be nice to see him start filling up the statsheet a little more. He can clearly rebound at this level, and the offense is settling in in solid midrange fashion now -- the mix (and Jason in general) reminds me a lot of a better rebounding Al Harrington in his younger Indiana days before he turned into a 3pt shooting weenie. But there is not much passing, and no defensive numbers of any kind (1.1ast 0.3stl 0.3blk). Tonight it was 0, 0, 0 + 1 TO.

Moore ( D ) -- aha! So we have figured out the great Mikki rebounding conundrum. He can in fact rebound...but only at home. 8pts, 1 lovely rebound, and a foul out was the line this time. Which given that he grabbed a grand total of 4 rebounds in 4 games on our opening roadtrip, was pretty much par for the course. Now its 5rebs in 5 games on the road. Which is just impossible for a starting PF. When I say impossible, I mean impossible -- I would legitimately question thether that has ever happened before in the history of the league. As for the rest of his game, there is not much to talk about. I suppose you could at least accuse of him of efficency (he shot 2-3 and 4-4 from the line) but whoopdee doo. You could also try to accuse him of having something to do with Kaman and Camby doing the Clipper schlep out there, going through the motions until their paychecks clear (never a guarantee with Sterling I suppose). But then you would be just making that up. They sucked for reasons known only to them. Best thing Mikki actually did on the night was get himself in major foul trouble so that Spencer could get more time.

Miller ( A ) -- the inevitable bounceback game, and how. Now the turth is I am not sure Brad really deserved the flat "A" here. He was more just solidly efficient and in control than he was ever spectacular in this one, but that solidly efficient and in control game netted him a near flawless near triple double, so withholding the straight A would be waiting for what better exactly? Felt a lot like the sorts of statlines he would occasionally put up back in the Adelman years with him running the offense from the elbow. Got his obligatory 3pt chuck out of his system early, largely eschewed the please swat me into the second row Mr. Camby/Kaman groundbound drives, and settled in as a highly efficient jumpshooter. Along the way notched no fewer than 8 assists. It wasn't the spectacular backdoor passing exhibition you would maybe expect from those numbers, but he was still the grease guy for the offense, sliding the ball around and finding guys whenever they popped open. And then there was the rebounding/Kaman factor -- first of all Kaman was miserable. Let's get that out of the way. But Brad still dominated the glass against him, and Kaman was (at least last year) one of the league's best rebounders. This wasn't the normal Brad counterpunch/Kaman slugging it out tiff those two normally get into -- it was largely a blowout, with Brad doing everything well and Kaman channeling the spirit of KT. Beno was the player of the game (and he WAS spectacular), but other than some whimpering at the refs there was nothing to complain about in Brad's effort.

Salmons ( D ) -- this...was not good. In pretty much any way. In recent games we have sen John do a great job defensively even while sturggling offensively, or be very efficeint and just get limited minutes in a blowout, or dominate the game with post play/passing even while getting modest offensive numbers. But this time out...pretty much nothing. The guys he was guarding largely did not matter, and to the degree they did, they were just chucking up long bombs over his head. And on offense, the Clippers clearly seem to have joined the throng of NBA teams who are getting a pretty good book on how to stop John Salmons, and basically what that means is that they are meeting him wiht two or three guys at the rim, knowing that John wil not pass off the drive. So he charges in there and gets smuhed, again and again. And again. And... About the only thing he got to fall all night were a trio of three point bombs, and that's not really his game. Gets a little bumb here for making the occasional pass, and a critical one late in the game to Beno -- he threw it reluctantly, but Beno knocked down the big shot to secure things for us in the final minute.

Beno ( A+ ) -- Kevin who? So there you go. An A+. Those are hard to come by in these grades, normally requiring a career game, or a game clearly completely carrying the team the whole way, including down the stretch, or both. Well, this was the both. The finest game of Beno's career, carrying over the momentum from last night and again displaying why if he had been smart he would have signed with the Clippers -- if he played in Staples every night he would be an All Star (his previous best game of his career might well have been in the same building against the Lakers last year). Came out very aggressive right from the start of this one, just supremely confident and looking for his shot, mixing smooth pullups wiht often spectacular finishes on his drives, but never forgetting to set others up as well. Was the best player on the court in the first quarter, good in the second quarter, the best player on the court in the third, the guy who kept on hitting shots to keep the Clippers from closing the gap, and then the guy who maybe hit the sealing shot at the end of the game as well. Along the way, the man who by all rights should have wiped the floor with him (Baron) stunk up the joint. And no, it was not because Beno smothered him on defense, but he did stay in front of him for the most part and make him work, and so this was even a better defensive effort than normal. A+

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Hawes ( B- ) -- statistically this game looks like a letdown from previous efforts, but on the court, early in particular, it looked just as good. This time it was Spencer being extremely active on defense, swatting away shots left and right and being a real presence in there. He also had a flying power jam, although now that they are no longer falling he can quit chucking threes anytime he'd like now. The Clippers obviously have big bigs, but they were playing like garbage, and Spencer spent part of his time matched up with the likes of defensive demons Paul Davis and Tim Thomas. Again faded off a bit late with empty second half minutes, and its kind of a low level improtant issue whether that is because he is not pacing himself, and comes flying in with great energy before tiring, or whether its because teams just aren't prepared for him, and are making adjustments and slowing him down after half. Needs to regain focus on the glass -- had been using his length and better than advertised athleticsm to put up good numbers in the early games, but he's started to have some poor nights now.

Jackson ( B- ) -- you know, there are certain players who settle into grading ruts, normally limited mintes guys who begin to put up the same minor little line every night and it makes you throw up your hands. Douby does this with his constant 1-3/1-4 2(pr3)pts 1reb 0ast in 8-11min stuff. What do you do wiith that? And Bobby is starting to slip into it now with perfromances like this. 6pts 2ast 1reb 15min and...shrug. I remember a few plays, the missed three, but really now. Give me something to work with.

Brown ( C ) -- I picked up Bobby (this Bobby) as a gamble in a deep fantasy league I am in when Kevin went down. It has not paid off. Limited minutes, workign exclusively alongsidde the elder Bobby, and this time out pretty much made the least of them. Missed his three, did a little better on defense than last time these teams met (in preseason, when Mike Taylor blew by him at will).

Greene ( B- ) -- got a surprise call in the first/second quarter of all things, and did pretty well. And then with the strangeness that is Reggie's substitution patterns, never returned. But it was a good little stint letting him get some real NBA action...well, ok, it was the Clippers. But still, during a time of the game when we could at least pretend it mattered. And as mentioned, showed a little stuff. Came in and knocked down both his shots, including a three, used hsi size/athleticism on the glass...and then started to get a little loose and turn the ball over, ending the fun for the night. Not bad though -- one small step for Dontekind.

Willaims ( INC ) -- has been reduced to an odd form of garbagetime at this point (normally gets his stints in the first half, then never returns), and did absolutely nothing during his brief 2nd quarter tenure out there to change Theus's mind about that.

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Theus ( ) -- I'm too tardy to justify saying much here (forgot about it earlier). Let's just note that Reggie is continuing to play the kids, even getting Donte a littel real time run there. And let's just note that Reggie si continuiong to be a stubborn tool about Mikki. "You have to do something real special to take away a starting job form a vet." Yeah, whatever. How about the special something being a legitimate NBA starter and part of the future rather than a 33 yr old journeyman roleplayer?
 
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I'm not sure it's a fair comparison because they didn't guard each other the whole time, but tonights matchup of Thornton vs. Thompson in my opinion weighs in favor of Thompson for sure. They both played 33 minutes, Thornton was 6-16fg while Thompson was 6-10, Thornton had 3 rebounds with Thompson having 11, neither had an assist, Thornton had 3 turnovers while Thompson had only 1. Thornton did have 3 blocked shots but it seems that is not normally his game. I will say though that Thompson hasn't showed any signs of an ability to block shots either. Anyway, while I don't think Thompson should be our starting 3 he has been doing quite well at it.
 
Mikki back in form with 1 rebound.

How is he supposed to get rebounds with Brad and Jt get 11 each? They out rebounded the clippers 40-30.

Like Chuck says, rebounding isn't always about getting the ball. Sometimes its making sure your guy doesn't get it either. Camby had 4 rebounds and Kaman 6.
 
How is he supposed to get rebounds with Brad and Jt get 11 each? They out rebounded the clippers 40-30.

Like Chuck says, rebounding isn't always about getting the ball. Sometimes its making sure your guy doesn't get it either. Camby had 4 rebounds and Kaman 6.

You may be fine with your starting PF getting one rebound a game but I am not, no matter the circumstances it's pathetic.
 
When Kevin comes back next week and theus moves Salmons back to the 3, JT better replace Mikki as the starting 4. He has to. How the hell can our starting 4 get 1 freaking rebound! Beno had more rebs at the 6min mark of the 1st quarter than mikkin had for the entire game. Absolutely rediculous.
 
When Kevin comes back next week and theus moves Salmons back to the 3, JT better replace Mikki as the starting 4. He has to. How the hell can our starting 4 get 1 freaking rebound! Beno had more rebs at the 6min mark of the 1st quarter than mikkin had for the entire game. Absolutely rediculous.

I think starting is way over stated. If Moore starts and Thompson gets more minutes, then I think its all the same.

I think that is why the Kings are playing so well considering lack of talent in the starting 5. When it comes to depth at the front court the Kings might rate among the best. Both Thompson and Hawes create a nasty five-four punch off the bench. Whenever Moore is on the floor, so is Miller who is still our most consistent rebounder.

I just don't see how starting Thompson will make the Kings better if it doesn't change the number of minutes he plays.
 
when Kevin Comes Back Next Week And Theus Moves Salmons Back To The 3, Jt Better Replace Mikki As The Starting 4. He Has To. How The Hell Can Our Starting 4 Get 1 Freaking Rebound! Beno Had More Rebs At The 6min Mark Of The 1st Quarter Than Mikkin Had For The Entire Game. Absolutely rediculous.

:) ;)
 
Hey Brick,
When are you gonna bust out the themes again? Still too early in the season?

Those were geting exhausting as far as time consumption (some of the involved ones could involve several hours of research/writing), hence the idea of polls instead. Take a minute to set up, and then everyone more or less entertains themselves. :p

But I am planning on breaking out a theme or two this year for special occasions. Should have done one for Halloween, but the election had me pinned timewise (had thoughts of a historical political one too, but that was dicey given our board rules). Oh...and if I do do any I would feel remiss in not having a Pretty Girls III as one of them. ;)
 
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F- for the Sacramento Bee, who had a front page story in the sports section from the Minneapolis newspaper on the freakin' TWolves.

It had other NBA news inside, including box scores, but not nada, zilch, zip on the Kings.

This is happening more and more with our local paper. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
F- for the Sacramento Bee, who had a front page story in the sports section from the Minneapolis newspaper on the freakin' TWolves.

It had other NBA news inside, including box scores, but not nada, zilch, zip on the Kings.

This is happening more and more with our local paper. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

People still pay for that piece of crap?
 
People still pay for that piece of crap?


The day they stop entirely -- which I imagine is coming fairly quickly now (the internet has killed them all) -- I do wonder where/how the reporting is going to come from. Maybe espn will open up a local branch for every city with a major league team or some such. Or maybe we'll be the only source left standing. ;)
 
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Hmmm. Mikki sucking as usual on the road. Greene getting a rare few minutes and doing OK. Not great but giving us a quick glimpse of what might be. Mikki sucking again. JT showing he belongs. Hawes being Hawes (that being a cockeyed multi-faceted sparkling diamond whose facets (sides) are skewed a bit). Is Mikki becoming our 2008 version of "OP Sucks!" (for those who remember back then)? The team pulling together to finish one on the road.

Big question tho': when Kevin and Cisco come back healthy, and Douby just got back on the bench, what happens to Greene? Whose minutes does he get? Would not Cisco sub for Salmons?
 
The day they stop entirely -- which I imagine is coming fairly quickly now (the internet has killed them all) -- I do wonder where/how the reporting is going to come from. Maybe espn will open up a local branch for every city with a major league team or some such. Or maybe we'll be the only source left standing. ;)

I thought for sure they would have been charging to view it online by now. It will only hasten their demise when it happens.

They will just become freelance reporters.
 
I thought for sure they would have been charging to view it online by now. It will only hasten their demise when it happens.

They will just become freelance reporters.


That doesn't answer the question -- freelance for who? The great economic engine that paid for reporters of all stripes were ads in newspapers. As that goes away, sure they become "freelance" (aka unemployed) but until there is a money source they aren't going to be writing about the Kings or anybody else.
 
How is he supposed to get rebounds with Brad and Jt get 11 each? They out rebounded the clippers 40-30.

Like Chuck says, rebounding isn't always about getting the ball. Sometimes its making sure your guy doesn't get it either. Camby had 4 rebounds and Kaman 6.

Yeah, well, there was a 30 second stretch in which Moore hesitated in going after two long rebounds - both where he was the closest player to the ball. In the first of these two, he hesitated and then decided to go for it, and ended up fouling the Clippers player (?) who didn't hesitate and got the rebound. The next time, Moore hesitated again and the Clippers got the rebound. Twice in 30 seconds. Yes, he was out of synch last night. But he also just doesn't have a nose for rebounds.

If he has any value in this league, I hope to God that GP finds someone to take our 'intangibles' man.
 
That doesn't answer the question -- freelance for who? The great economic engine that paid for reporters of all stripes were ads in newspapers. As that goes away, sure they become "freelance" (aka unemployed) but until there is a money source they aren't going to be writing about the Kings or anybody else.

Meh, it will just switch to freelancing for online sports sites (and other subject specific or general news sites) that will now command the same advertising dollars that used to go to newspapers.

How about Beno? As the only person who has been defending him, I guess I should be the only person to shout woohoo. Mark my words, he will work as a decent PG until the Kings start to contend again.
 
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