[Grades] Grades v. Clippers 03/19/2013

[kupman]

Pretty funny when CP3 flops everyone here gets mad at him, but when Reke does it we applaud and call it the key play of the game. LOL

 

[Darth Divac]

Pretty funny when CP3 flops everyone here gets mad at him, but when Reke does it we applaud and call it the key play of the game. LOL

That's cause Paul's flop was so hilariously exaggerated, and Reke's flop was subtle-just enough to get the Ref's attention.

 

[Bricklayer]

Pretty funny when CP3 flops everyone here gets mad at him, but when Reke does it we applaud and call it the key play of the game. LOL

Don't play dumb. Of course people applauded what Reke did -- precisely BECAUSE of what the Clippers were doing. And you know that. Its been made explicitly clear in comment after comment. And it makes 100% sense. Fight fire with fire. Its popping the bully in the nose and letting him know two can play at his game.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Don't play dumb. Of course people applauded what Reke did -- precisely BECAUSE of what the Clippers were doing. And you know that. Its been made explicitly clear in comment after comment. And it makes 100% sense. Fight fire with fire. Its popping the bully in the nose and letting him know two can play at his game.

Ive never seen Reke doing something like that until this game so I assumed he was just giving a little pay back. The league needs to issue a warning to the entire Clippers roster.

 

[The_Jamal]

anybody remember this guy?? as i recall he was also mildly impressive upon his arrival. that honeymoon didn't last too long, though, did it? while i think douglas and aldrich may prove to be useful contributors to this team, i wouldn't chalk it up to some last gasp of geoff petrie genius. he was asked by the maloofs to cut corners, financially, and he brought over a couple of utility players with expiring contracts in the process...

Say what you will, but Skinner was a useful bench big a majority of his career. He started for us which is far above his paygrade so to speak. I'd be more than satisfied if Aldrich ends up being a bigger, better defensive Brian Skinner.

 

[Agent23]

That's cause Paul's flop was so hilariously exaggerated, and Reke's flop was subtle-just enough to get the Ref's attention.

They were both equally ridiculous but Reke's was more karma for all the flopping the Clippers did in that game and all the other the games they play in.

 

[kupman]

Don't play dumb. Of course people applauded what Reke did -- precisely BECAUSE of what the Clippers were doing. And you know that. Its been made explicitly clear in comment after comment. And it makes 100% sense. Fight fire with fire. Its popping the bully in the nose and letting him know two can play at his game.

I was not playing dumb. Just laughing at the irony.

Taking the irony to another level yet is the fact that just about every Kings fan loves and adores Vlade (as do I).

 

[Bricklayer]

I was not playing dumb. Just laughing at the irony.

Taking the irony to another level yet is the fact that just about every Kings fan loves and adores Vlade (as do I).

There is no irony. They are not being judged on the same scale.

If Kevin was back on the team and flopping aournd out there like a fish I would be no bigger fan of it than I was before. And if Reke starts channeling CP3 from this point and flops every game I will be unamused. But this, this was a bit like Webber shoulder chucking Stockton to let the Jazz know we would stand up to them. It might be Reke's first career flop, it happened at the end of a long sequence of dirty play and flops by the Clippers, it was obvious payback and that's what made it good.

CP3 on the other hand was just trying to cheat, as always. There is nothing remotely honorable or acceptable about his behavior.

 

[kupman]

There is no irony. They are not being judged on the same scale.

If Kevin was back on the team and flopping aournd out there like a fish I would be no bigger fan of it than I was before. And if Reke starts channeling CP3 from this point and flops every game I will be unamused. But this, this was a bit like Webber shoulder chucking Stockton to let the Jazz know we would stand up to them. It might be Reke's first career flop, it happened at the end of a long sequence of dirty play and flops by the Clippers, it was obvious payback and that's what made it good.

CP3 on the other hand was just trying to cheat, as always. There is nothing remotely honorable or acceptable about his behavior.

Dawgin' on CP3? C'mon man. He's just playing the game and playing it well. We all know that if by some miracle CP3 landed on the Kings (still in Sactown, btw ) that you and everyone else on the board would be like - SWEEEEEEEET!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Dawgin' on CP3? C'mon man. He's just playing the game and playing it well. We all know that if by some miracle CP3 landed on the Kings (still in Sactown, btw ) that you and everyone else on the board would be like - SWEEEEEEEET!

I wouldn't bet the house on that, if I were you; if this message board has proven anything in the last decade, it's that Kings Fans don't always get on board with their star players. I guarantee you that, if the Kings got Chris Paul, there would be at least three guys pop up out of nowhere, criticizing everything he does, on and off the court. And they'd probably claim to have been Kings Fans/STH's since '86, too.

 

[Darth Divac]

I wouldn't bet the house on that, if I were you; if this message board has proven anything in the last decade, it's that Kings Fans don't always get on board with their star players. I guarantee you that, if the Kings got Chris Paul, there would be at least three guys pop up out of nowhere, criticizing everything he does, on and off the court. And they'd probably claim to have been Kings Fans/STH's since '86, too.

(Ugh, not this guy again) You're probably right. After all, can you tell me the exact collective opinion of Tyreke Evans by this site's members?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

(Ugh, not this guy again) You're probably right. After all, can you tell me the exact collective opinion of Tyreke Evans by this site's members?

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[Telemachus]

aaaaaaand what exactly makes you (or grant effing napear, for that matter) qualified to assess the psychological makeup of an african american male in his early 20's?



it could be immaturity, it could be growing pains, it could be some sort of unresolved oedipal complex. we have no idea, and, as with most young people in their early 20's, they need time to work out for themselves who exactly they are and how exactly they want to approach the environment around them. sure, it's difficult to do on your own, but all the therapy and pills you shove down DMC's throat aren't going to help him arrive at an epiphany regarding his place in the nba. however, improved circumstances under new ownership, time, practice, and the building of trust with a revamped kings organization could very well stimulate the kind of personal growth that's necessary to demarcus' long term prospects in the nba. but the persistence of an untrustworthy and stagnant losing culture like he's in now? geezus, i'm just amazed things haven't been worse for demarcus, considering just how toxic this environment really is...

I think too many fans around here are either too young (or don't remember) what Charles Barkley was like early in his career. I can only wonder how they would treat him on a forum like this one. Demarcus Cousins hasn't even come close to the type of behaviour that Barkley did in Philly. And Barkley far fewer excuses for his actions. He played 3 years of college (as opposed to 1), came to a team with good veteran players to learn from, and was much older than Cousins when pulling off most of his antics. Yet, he is a HOF player (considered top 50) who is well liked as both a player and commentator. There are other players I could do this with as well, but Barkley is just the biggest example IMO.

 

[VF21]

I wouldn't bet the house on that, if I were you; if this message board has proven anything in the last decade, it's that Kings Fans don't always get on board with their star players. I guarantee you that, if the Kings got Chris Paul, there would be at least three guys pop up out of nowhere, criticizing everything he does, on and off the court. And they'd probably claim to have been Kings Fans/STH's since '86, too.

Ahem. I don't like CP3. Never have.

 

[jalfa]

I think too many fans around here are either too young (or don't remember) what Charles Barkley was like early in his career. I can only wonder how they would treat him on a forum like this one. Demarcus Cousins hasn't even come close to the type of behaviour that Barkley did in Philly. And Barkley far fewer excuses for his actions. He played 3 years of college (as opposed to 1), came to a team with good veteran players to learn from, and was much older than Cousins when pulling off most of his antics. Yet, he is a HOF player (considered top 50) who is well liked as both a player and commentator. There are other players I could do this with as well, but Barkley is just the biggest example IMO.

in the, slightly paraphrased, words of Winston Churchill: history is kind to the ones who end up writing it. it'll be the same for Cuz, the question is only whether i'll be with the Kings or not.

 

[Kingster]

aaaaaaand what exactly makes you (or grant effing napear, for that matter) qualified to assess the psychological makeup of an african american male in his early 20's?



it could be immaturity, it could be growing pains, it could be some sort of unresolved oedipal complex. we have no idea, and, as with most young people in their early 20's, they need time to work out for themselves who exactly they are and how exactly they want to approach the environment around them. sure, it's difficult to do on your own, but all the therapy and pills you shove down DMC's throat aren't going to help him arrive at an epiphany regarding his place in the nba. however, improved circumstances under new ownership, time, practice, and the building of trust with a revamped kings organization could very well stimulate the kind of personal growth that's necessary to demarcus' long term prospects in the nba. but the persistence of an untrustworthy and stagnant losing culture like he's in now? geezus, i'm just amazed things haven't been worse for demarcus, considering just how toxic this environment really is...

"African american male"? LOL That's freaking hilarious. Now you're taking it into the area of race?

You're a walking contradiction. One second you say you don't know what Cousins' problem is; the next you're spouting off about how therapy won't help him but an improved Kings organization will. Make up your mind, will you.

 

[Spike]

You do know that could doesn't imply will, right?

 

[Kingster]

When one becomes a psychiatrist, one is taught that one of the ethical standards is to never give psychiatric opinions about someone you haven't evaluated face to face. Anybody else can say what they wish but certainly I would hope that the analysis of a layman should be taken less seriously than that of a professional. Kingster, if you are a psychiatrist, you should not be saying what you are saying. If you are a layman, you are speculating. As a generality, people are different from the moment they are born. If you have kids, you will nod your head "yes." In the field of psychiatry, we have moved past Freud. That is not to say Freud was wrong but we are finding out that how we behave and react and perhaps think may be in our DNA. That's probably as likely as deep seated emotional problems if not more likely with most people who are troubled. And then, of course, both may be part of the problem with anybody.

When I was a kid, the popular question was, "is it nature or nurture?" With most people, it's both. We are born with our DNA controlling various parts of what people see from the outside and then we learn how to adjust to what nature has given us.

As a general rule, people with tempers mellow as they get older. The "why" is probably a mixture of adjustment to the temper and the rest may actually be a physical change of something we don't understand very well. I was always taught that much aberrant behavior like temper tends to calm itself by age 30. That's a horrible generalization but that's what I was taught. Throw in the complication of substance abuse with many people and you have a complex problem. There is no indication that Boogie has a substance abuse problem although I understand he drinks socially. For all we know, Boogie pops a stimulant or two before each game or drinks excessively. That would change every theory we have about him. I am not saying this is true but am mentioning it as a precautionary comment before we go off the deep end in analyzing him.

There is much about him that we cannot know without sitting down with him and evaluating him.

Of course I'm speculating. We're ALL speculating. Actually, Glenn, I have paid particular attention to your speculations/opinions on the matter, those opinions being that Cousins needs therapy. So my speculation is based in part on your speculations, and partly on Napier's speculations/opinions (maybe informed by psychological assessment of others - yes I'm speculating on that also), and based on my own observations and experience. And while I give weight to your opinion, I don't think to have an assessment you must be certified.

Let's be blunt: We're all making our own pschological assessment of Cousins when we see him. Some voice it; some don't. We all have our opinions/speculations based our experiences and perceptions. For some the assessment is that it is purely immaturity, however they define it. That's as psychological an assessment as any because they are making the determination that there is not anything aberrant in his behavior. For others like me, there is more to it than that. Everybody makes the psychological assessment. Period. To say anything to the contrary is disingenuous in my view. We also know that people even in the discipline of psychology disagree. It's not a science, it's an art.

Cousins own actions forces you to decide: Is it simple immaturity or isn't it? Why does it force you? Because to determine whether you want to keep him as a Kings player or not you need to answer that question for yourself. If there are more deep seated psychological issues at work, AND the guy doesn't want to seek help, do you want to keep him? My view is: absolutely not. I don't want to tether myself to anger addict that doesn't acknowledge the problem anymore than I want to tether myself to a drug addict that doesn't think he has a problem. Anyway, that's the way I look at it.

 

[Padrino]

"African american male"? LOL That's freaking hilarious. Now you're taking it into the area of race?

You're a walking contradiction. One second you say you don't know what Cousins' problem is; the next you're spouting off about how therapy won't help him but an improved Kings organization will. Make up your mind, will you.

yes, i am "taking it into the area of race." like most components of an individual's identity, ethnicity would be a very important component of psychoanalytic studies. i brought it up to highlight the discrepancy between your psych 101-level treatment of demarcus cousins and the reality of his behavior, or rather, his motivation for behaving as he does, for which few of us at kf.com, if any, have an appropriate yardstick to measure that motivation. in other words, i find your position wanting. it's a bush league, less-than-entry-level attempt to write off demarcus' potential with pseudo-freudian nonsense, and ignores the material conditions that demarcus labors under (like, for example, the utter cluster**** that is the current kings organization). as for the bolded portion above, you are quite incorrect, and i quote:

however, improved circumstances under new ownership, time, practice, and the building of trust with a revamped kings organization could very well stimulate the kind of personal growth that's necessary to demarcus' long term prospects in the nba.

nowhere have i said an improved kings organization will help demarcus' long term prospects with sacramento. i have, in fact, never been anything but extremely measured in my analysis of demarcus cousins' long term prospects. i have always highlighted the fact that sticking it out with cousins is a risk, but one that may very well pay off the kind of dividends that we've never seen in the sacramento kings' 28-year history of draft picks. i very consistently maintain that, even if the kings should fail with demarcus, doing so is better than spinning their wheels in the mid-to-late lottery every year. you are the one who is so damn certain that cousins will fail, insistent in your claim that you wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole if you were any gm in the nba...

 

[ninjabiscuit]

Say what you will, but Skinner was a useful bench big a majority of his career. He started for us which is far above his paygrade so to speak. I'd be more than satisfied if Aldrich ends up being a bigger, better defensive Brian Skinner.

Thinking about Brian Skinner's block on Shawn Marion's dunk attempt on the baseline (with his tongue hanging out) still makes me smile.