[Grades] Grades v. Cavs 01/14/13

Best non-Boogie?

  • Reke

    Votes: 21 47.7%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • TRob

    Votes: 18 40.9%
  • Jimmer

    Votes: 5 11.4%

  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well coming into this one if you had asked me which 4 players was it most important to have play a strong game (an admittedly silly question) I would have said Cuz to resume dominating, Reke to reestablish himself in the starting lineup/#2 slot, Thornton to reestablish himself period, and TRob to cement in his mind the hustle/roleplayer approach that has been working for him. Throw in a good game for Jimmer so that all 4 of our lottery picks from the last 3 years played well, and we got all of that. That's a woot.


Less wooty were these sorts of things:

Reke:
18pts (6-6, 2-2, 4-4). So...plays 25min (and you wonder why he doesn't seem upset at the prospect of being traded) even though...

Waiters
33pts (12-18, 3-3, 6-8) torched the rest of our backcourt and Reke is a perfect matchup for him.

and

Cleveland
118pts (season high)

But hey. We won.

Some highlights:

The Grading Consortium is back to a trio tonight:
Bricklayer
Bajaden
Capt. Factorial



Boxscore

Stats: 32min 14pts (5-12, 1-4, 3-4) 2reb 4ast 2stl 1blk 0TO
Salmons ( C+ ) -- On the surface, John's game tonight doesn't look that bad. He had 14 pts on the night and 4 assists. I'm a big fan of players quietly going about their business, but tonight, Salmons just didn't impact the game that much when he was on the floor. Salmons, who is generally a good defender, lost his man more than a few times, and it seemed every time he did, it resulted in a score.. In the second half he lost Miles, who hit a three pointer. He immediately tried to make it up at the other end, when he rushed a jumper from the top of the key, which he missed. He did come through when the Kings were losing their lead toward the bottom of the 3rd quarter and hit a pullup jumper with 2 minutes left. A minute later he drove to the basket and scored giving the Kings a desperately needed basket. All in all, he had a few very good monents, but not enough to warrant more than a C+. --Baja

Stats: 22min 6pts (2-9, 0-0, 2-2) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Thompson ( D ) -- another game, another struggle, as Jason has resumed his consistency. Unfortunately now he's being consistently bad. Just not looking comfortable on anything. The team tried to get him going late in the first half hitting for several easy finishes at the rim. But it was the only time that worked, he started the third coming up short again, and he actually managed to lose many of his second half minutes to TRob -- and who would have thought that a week ago? --Brick

Stats: 32min 26pts (7-14, 0-0, 12-12) 14reb 6ast 2stl 3blk 3TO
Cousins ( A- ) -- 4th monster statline in the last 6, and its getting routine enough that I am handing A-'s out for all league numbers. In this case its largely for the early going, where Boogie was not in rhythm and not taking advantage of his opportunities. It was a sloppy start, and there were too many give up jumpers, that were not falling. Played his way into things though, and when he did fully arrive it was in a big way again. When he returned to the game late in the half came up with 2 good blocks inside, and began to overwhelm Zeller with a flurry of power. In fact got on such a roll that he was on pace for a triple double by half. Kept his composure in the third when it looked like the refs were looking to take him out of it with a weak technical and even weaker flagrant where he missed the block attempt and smacked Zeller in the face. Ratehr than doing the death spiral we have so often seen, responded by stealing a pass up top and going the other way on the break. Returned in the 4th to stablize a bench crew that I was praying was going to get Smart fired, and made back to back plays in crunchtime to seal it, with a fullcourt gallop to maybe lock the game up at the 1:40 mark, and then hitting Reke on the cut next possession as well. Ho hum. 26-14-6. See that all the time from centers nowadays. In the 10 games since his return is now averaging a kinda solid 33.0min 20.1pts (.480 .000 .808) 12.0reb 4.5ast 1.7stl 0.6blk. Done this from the start, and he's your all star cent...er..."frontcourt player". NBA = asses BTW. --Brick

Stats: 25min 18pts (6-6, 2-2, 4-4) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( B+ ) -- involved early and drained his first three off the kick from Cousins -- important obviously to help as a spacer. Still, was not really in a rhythm, and the whole starting unit seemed to be moving in fits and spurts as it tried to get used to each other again. But he never missed a shot. Not early, not late, not from the 3pt line, not from the stripe. Never. It was a perfect game shooting efficiency wise, and you can expect Hollinger to have Memphis ringing us about him again sometime this morning. So how can a guy who never missed a hsot and scored 18pts on 6 shots only get a B+? Well, for one thing I have never, and still do not, beleive shooting efficiency stats to be more than one little corner of a basketball game. For another, as efficient as he was, the very fact that he wasn't getting many shots kept him from ever trully dominating. He was just never missed whenever he did get an opportunity. Not flawless -- there were several times in the game when he moved too slow against the clock and time ran out on us. Just perfect. :) He also gave us a boost with his defensive rebounding, welcome after so many games of Joh Salmons/Cisco/IT/Jimmer etc. as the worst group of rebounding guards/SFs in the game. He was rewarded by his coach for never missing a shot by being absolutely iced and sat out for nearly the entire 4th quarter while we clung to a 3-6pt lead while Dion Waiters -- shooting 37% on the season coming inot he game -- lighting us up for 21 points int eh final 15 minutes of the game after we removed Reke late in the third. Dion Waiters who plays the same position as oour best defender, who also happens to have not missed a shot on the night...gee, this aoching stuff sure is hard huh Keith? Was finally brought back in for the the final 3 minutes, originally as a PG as Kyrie has started lighting up Jimmer finally late. We celebrated by immediately getting a 24 sec violation. But brought the defense as asked, and whiel Waiters was so on fire by that point he draiend a three right inhis face, Reke would convert yet another shot on a pass from Cuz off the cut, and then played great defense on Waiters to close this one up inside the final 10 seconds. Oh, and Reke's numbers over his last 10 games? 26.9min 16.1pts (.523 .467 .778) 4.5reb 2.2ast 1.1stl 0.8blk. He's also BTW now shooting .333 on the seaso from 3pt land. Marcus (.342) and IT (.342) better watch out. --Brick

Stats: 31min 6pts (2-8, 0-3, 2-2) 2reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( C+ ) -- Had a few highlight plays on offense, including a spectacular half-court alleyoop to TRob as the first quarter expired. Also went for a quick drive through the birch trees in the fourth for a nice layup. Otherwise, generally initiated the offense early and had a few drive-and-kicks for assists, but was ineffective with his shot and not really looking for his offense (until Jimmer came to the table in the 2nd and he immediately jacked up a lousy shot - something that is becoming a trend). On the defensive end, the Cavs (especially Irving and Waiters) attacked IT, attempting 19 shots against him. Remarkably, despite being unable to stay in front of either Irving or Waiters, those 19 shots only turned into 14 points, and IT had a very good contest to force 5 misses. During crunch time, we went with a bigger team so IT didn't get to see the court down the stretch. On a night when his offense wasn't working he set up the half-court solidly and put in a good enough effort on the defensive end to earn a decent grade. --Capt.
 
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Bench

Stats: 28min 12pts (6-10, 0-00, 0-0) 7reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Robinson ( B+ ) -- He started his scoring with a dunk off a pass from Salmons. He scored again on a beautiful revese pivit with his left hand. He had a great rebound that was all hustle off a Thornton miss, which he fed back to Thornton for an easy 5 footer. He finished off the 1st quarter with a spectacular dunk on an alley opp with 1 second left on the game clock. He came back in toward the end of the 2nd quarter and scored with another post move, this time with the right hand. In the second half he banked in a jump shot from the top of the key, smiling as he backed down the court. He battled under the basket all night, and in one sequence, he tipped the ball out, the shot was missed, he grabs the rebound and kicks it out again to IT who hits the shot. He topped off the night by getting the ball at the top of the three point circle, and just exploded to the basket through defenders to lay it in. If you look at his stats, they're nice but not impressive. But if you watched the game, I don't think we would have won without his contribution. --Baja

Stats: 30min 20pts (8-14, 3-6, 1-2) 1reb 1ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
Thornton ( B ) -- It wasn't a perfect night, but it was a return to form after two very sub-par outings on his return from a wonky ankle. It's hard to complain about 20 points on 14 shots, especially when you do it while working hard and generally disrupting the Cavs at every opportunity. Thornton hit a couple of threes in answer to big shots hit against him, and following a good team defensive possession late in the fourth had a perfect run-out for a break to put the Kings up by 7. Of course, the hand that giveth is also the hand that taketh away, and shortly thereafter MT missed one of two from the line and subsequently left Gee wide open for a corner three that cut the lead to 3. Thornton's defense tonight is a bit hard to grade. For the most part, the Cavs weren't going at him - for instance the only times that Waiters went quiet were the times that Thornton was guarding him, but that may be because those were the times he was getting frozen out while Irving was attacking either Jimmer or IT. But when they did go at him, they had some success: 13 points on 7 shots, and MT didn't manage to contest a single shot effectively. Thornton's grade probably goes down if the Cavs actually take the ball at him more given the poor efficiency he exhibited when they did. --Capt.

Stats: 14min 4pts (1-2, 0-0, 2-4) 4reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C-) -- was on the low side of ok as we stuck with him and bumped Johnson out of the rotation (yes, Smart actually didn't play somebody). Most impressive play was a big offensive board...over Luke Walton. Ok, maybe not so impressive (BTW, how can any NBA team continue to play week after week with Luke Walton as you best/only bench "big"? You just HAVE to sign someone. Anyone.) Surprised to see him brought back in what could have been a disastrous substituion in the late third, when our wonderful coach subbed out both Reke and Cousins simultanousely. Chuck wasn't effective shutting down the middle on the help defense, and the offense was fugly and just SLIGHTLY less effective than Boogie. But at least he grabbed a few boards, and didn't stumble over his own shoelaces, so a considerable improvement over his play in recent weeks. --Brick

Stats: 12min 2pts (1-1, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 0TO
Garcia ( ) -- a quiet bit of nothing role playering it up. Some hustle type plays, moved the ball. Did very little that was going to show up in a boxscore. everyone playing again. Got outplayed by Omri. may have earend extra minutes tongiht just as a partial antidote to the incredible levels of stress having IT, Jimmer, Thornton, Reke and Salmsons (who incredibly even with everybody back Smart took time to run plays for) all needing the ball. Hard thing to grade, but did not think the defense was great in either stint so going to add a "-". --Brick

Stats: 14min 16pts (5-8, 3-4, 3-3) 1reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Fredette ( B- ) -- The Cavs strategy on offense was obvious - attack Jimmer any time he's on the floor. They attempted 12 shots against him in only 13 and a half minutes and generally succeeded, getting 14 points, 5 of those from the line. To Jimmer's credit, he put in much better defensive effort than his reputation suggests, including a notable possession when he harassed and denied Irving outside of the arc for 10 seconds, then blocked Kyrie's shot when he finally managed to drive into the lane and was rewarded by being absolutely clubbed on the resulting fast break. On one possession, he actually tried (and failed) to box out Zeller in the paint. You got heart, kid. In revenge for the Cavs going into him consistently, Jimmer played the gunner on offense. Fortunately, he had it going tonight, hitting back-to-back threes in the second quarter and going 3-4 from behind the arc. Perhaps most notably, he had a "Freaky Friday" drive against Waiters where he crossed over to the left hand and blasted past him for an easy and-1. In the end, scoring 16 points on 8 shots outweighs allowing 14 points on 12. --Capt.
 
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oh and i LOVED how Tyreke was rotting on the bench the entire 4th quarter while Waiters and Irving were keeping the game close. especially on a night where he had missed ZERO shots, include 2 long balls
 
oh and i LOVED how Tyreke was rotting on the bench the entire 4th quarter while Waiters and Irving were keeping the game close. especially on a night where he had missed ZERO shots, include 2 long balls

I would say it was more Waiters than Irving, who was having a bad night. But no one seemed to be able to slow him down, and that included Tyreke when he came back in. However, he did make him work hard, and I was wondering the exact same thing during the fourth quarter. But hey, we won, and in the end, thats all that counts.
 
Will we be giving Luke Walton a grade since hes always helping us out when we play the Cavs imo a B+ would seem fair to Luke.
 
oh and i LOVED how Tyreke was rotting on the bench the entire 4th quarter while Waiters and Irving were keeping the game close. especially on a night where he had missed ZERO shots, include 2 long balls

As good as Reke was (and he was as good as I've seen him), he is just coming back from a month-long injury. I don't mind bringing him along slowly, especially against the Cavs. He was icing his knee during breaks, which worries me more than sitting him for a large part of the fourth.
 
In the game thread, I said "Kings win. Period." I was right. I thought it was intereting that ESPN.com reported in their recap for the game
that this was the first game that every King was available. It took until January 14th for nobody to be suspended or injured. Wow
 
There were actually three players that Smart did NOT play. I was pleasantly surprised. I woukd rather play 8 than 10. But 10 is better than 13.
 
It's nice to get the win. BUT, don't you think the Kings are talented enough to destroy Cleveland by 20-30 points? I don't think the Kings took Cleveland very seriously. The defense was lousy. They didn't really play as much to their strengths as they should with Cousins in the post. Tyreke, despite the great stat line, wasn't very integral to the offense. At this point, I'm expecting more. The Kings really need to come out and bury this kind of team at home.
 
It's nice to get the win. BUT, don't you think the Kings are talented enough to destroy Cleveland by 20-30 points? I don't think the Kings took Cleveland very seriously. The defense was lousy. They didn't really play as much to their strengths as they should with Cousins in the post. Tyreke, despite the great stat line, wasn't very integral to the offense. At this point, I'm expecting more. The Kings really need to come out and bury this kind of team at home.

I think the team is quite a bit better than its record indicates. That sounds like homerism but is a knock on the coach. They also haven't done as well as possible as the team has never been at full strength until yesterday and there is still some question as to whether Tyreke is full strength or not. Yes, Cleveland should have been buried but maybe this is just a decent team playing down to the level of a bad team as I had no doubts at anytime who was going to win. That isn't true of most games. We won and should have. For now I'll settle for that. :)

For once I agree with you. Yikes!
 
It's nice to get the win. BUT, don't you think the Kings are talented enough to destroy Cleveland by 20-30 points? I don't think the Kings took Cleveland very seriously. The defense was lousy. They didn't really play as much to their strengths as they should with Cousins in the post. Tyreke, despite the great stat line, wasn't very integral to the offense. At this point, I'm expecting more. The Kings really need to come out and bury this kind of team at home.
Give me a break. Save that analysis for another night. They won and they have no guarantee.
 
It's nice to get the win. BUT, don't you think the Kings are talented enough to destroy Cleveland by 20-30 points?

No.

Cleveland's average game this year is a loss by 5.7 points, and we all know that your average game is against a team better than us. Cleveland has yet to lose by 30 points this season, and has only lost by 20 points 3 times (2 of those 3 on the road) - twice to the Bulls and once to the Lakers. Both of those teams have some serious firepower, even if they have been inconsistent/injured this year.

Here's a list of notable teams who did not beat the Cavs by 20 this year:
Clippers lost to Cavs by 7 in LA
Thunder beat Cavs by 15 at OKC
Heat beat Cavs by 2 in Miami
Grizzlies beat Cavs by 6 in Mem
Lakers lost to Cavs by 6 in CLE
Knick beat Cavs by 1 in NY
Celtics beat Cavs by 12 in Bos
Nets beat Cavs by 13 in BRK
Warriors beat Cavs by 10 in GS
Pacers beat Cavs by 15 in Indy
Pacers beat Cavs by 10 in CLE
Nets beat Cavs by 3 in BRK
Nuggets beat Cavs by 7 in Denver

If those teams can't consistently beat the Cavs by 20-30 points, why in the world do you think we ought to?
 
What is it with Evans and his mouthpiece? He's got the LeBron habit of always chewing on it or letting it hang halfway out of his mouth. Who else does that to that degree? I have no problems with him emulating LeBron - but if we see him starting to chew his nails on the bench, or clapping chalk during pre-games we know he's taken it too far.

Edit: Realize that this post doesn't really belong here, but it was last night when it finally started to really bug me!
 
No.

Cleveland's average game this year is a loss by 5.7 points, and we all know that your average game is against a team better than us. Cleveland has yet to lose by 30 points this season, and has only lost by 20 points 3 times (2 of those 3 on the road) - twice to the Bulls and once to the Lakers. Both of those teams have some serious firepower, even if they have been inconsistent/injured this year.

Here's a list of notable teams who did not beat the Cavs by 20 this year:
Clippers lost to Cavs by 7 in LA
Thunder beat Cavs by 15 at OKC
Heat beat Cavs by 2 in Miami
Grizzlies beat Cavs by 6 in Mem
Lakers lost to Cavs by 6 in CLE
Knick beat Cavs by 1 in NY
Celtics beat Cavs by 12 in Bos
Nets beat Cavs by 13 in BRK
Warriors beat Cavs by 10 in GS
Pacers beat Cavs by 15 in Indy
Pacers beat Cavs by 10 in CLE
Nets beat Cavs by 3 in BRK
Nuggets beat Cavs by 7 in Denver

If those teams can't consistently beat the Cavs by 20-30 points, why in the world do you think we ought to?

How 'bout a list of teams that did beat Cleveland by 20-30? And were these stats pre or post Verejao injury?

In answer to your question, for a very simple reason - if the Kings played a modicum of defense they would have destroyed Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't match up well with the Kings, especially in the post. At what position are they significantly better than the Kings? Even at pg, Irving is moderately better than IT (He certainly doesn't dominate; that's for sure). And with the Kings, Cousins is like a man among boys. It was obvious to me from the beginning of the game that the Kings were playing down to their competition.
 
What is it with Evans and his mouthpiece? He's got the LeBron habit of always chewing on it or letting it hang halfway out of his mouth. Who else does that to that degree? I have no problems with him emulating LeBron - but if we see him starting to chew his nails on the bench, or clapping chalk during pre-games we know he's taken it too far.

Edit: Realize that this post doesn't really belong here, but it was last night when it finally started to really bug me!

He's not emulating LeBron per se. He didn't want to wear the mouthpiece but gave in after a couple of bad smacks in the face.
 
Even at pg, Irving is moderately better than IT (He certainly doesn't dominate; that's for sure).

Ok, whoa whoa whoa. I hope are you are merely referencing the fact that Kyrie seems to struggle aginst IT/us head to head?
 
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What is it with Evans and his mouthpiece? He's got the LeBron habit of always chewing on it or letting it hang halfway out of his mouth. Who else does that to that degree? I have no problems with him emulating LeBron - but if we see him starting to chew his nails on the bench, or clapping chalk during pre-games we know he's taken it too far.

Edit: Realize that this post doesn't really belong here, but it was last night when it finally started to really bug me!

Gerald Wallace is the notorious one. His is more chewtoy than mouthpiece.
 
Ok, whoa whoa whoa. I hope are you are merely referencing the fact that Kyrie seems to struggle aginst IT/us head to head?

Yes, I'm talking about matchups. And IT certainly holds his own with Irving when he plays him. I don't need to widen the scope of my argument to win it. ;)
 
Very important for MT to get back on track. I thought he was a very good contributor tonight.

Coming into the year, he was the 3rd guy. Cousins and Evans have both come around to the point where they are starting to play like a #1 and a #2. If Thornton could figure his bench game out like he did tonight, that would be huge.
 
What is it with Evans and his mouthpiece? He's got the LeBron habit of always chewing on it or letting it hang halfway out of his mouth. Who else does that to that degree? I have no problems with him emulating LeBron - but if we see him starting to chew his nails on the bench, or clapping chalk during pre-games we know he's taken it too far.

Edit: Realize that this post doesn't really belong here, but it was last night when it finally started to really bug me!

First, who the hell cares? I don't give a rats behind about mouthpieces. However, maybe you don't remember, but Tyreke didn't want to wear a mouthpiece because he said it affected his breathing. But he reluctantly gave in after getting bashed in the face a few times. Its not uncommon for players that really don't want to wear one in the first place, to take a break from it whenever they get a chance. Thus the mouthpiece hanging from Tyreke's mouth.
 
First, who the hell cares? I don't give a rats behind about mouthpieces. However, maybe you don't remember, but Tyreke didn't want to wear a mouthpiece because he said it affected his breathing. But he reluctantly gave in after getting bashed in the face a few times. Its not uncommon for players that really don't want to wear one in the first place, to take a break from it whenever they get a chance. Thus the mouthpiece hanging from Tyreke's mouth.

It's to protect against concussions.
 
What is it with Evans and his mouthpiece? He's got the LeBron habit of always chewing on it or letting it hang halfway out of his mouth. Who else does that to that degree? I have no problems with him emulating LeBron - but if we see him starting to chew his nails on the bench, or clapping chalk during pre-games we know he's taken it too far.

Edit: Realize that this post doesn't really belong here, but it was last night when it finally started to really bug me!

Those things are torture if you have a bad gag reflex. I'd be doing the same thing.
 
Write-up was spot on with Trob. His numbers weren't overtly impressive (although still solid), but he was making all sorts of plays that don't show up on a stat-sheet. I wish I kept, but he must have had at least 6 plays where he either gave us an extra possesion or tipped a defensive rebound to someone. His energy made a noticeable difference in the game over JT as well. What's even more exciting is the game is starting to slow down for Trob. He's using his quickness to his advantage on the offensive now rather than to his detriment.
 
I have become numb to many of the shots and accomplishments that bring oohs! and ahhhs! but the alley oop by TRob on the poor set up was quite an athletic feat. He had to extend himself rather than just catch it and flush it. It was a dunk that many would have missed.
 
There were actually three players that Smart did NOT play. I was pleasantly surprised. I woukd rather play 8 than 10. But 10 is better than 13.

I was also pleasantly surprised. Although I think JJ should have gotten the minutes over Garcia, who once again contributed nothing
 
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