You are also completely lost at the point of the argument Alek. They are not talking about the rebuilding per se on this one. They are already talking about the losing psychology.
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good game, now lets get back to our goal
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You are also completely lost at the point of the argument Alek. They are not talking about the rebuilding per se on this one. They are already talking about the losing psychology.
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AleksandarN
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You are also completely lost at the point of the argument Alek. They are not talking about the rebuilding per se on this one. They are already talking about the losing psychology.
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Reread the quote I was replying too. I was replying to his message.
Kings Faithful
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Actually they gave up the rights for the #5 pick which was Jeff Green (aka Michael Jordan V2) and a bunch of expirings and role players for Ray Allen. They acquired Kevin Garnet using a 2009 first round pick which is ineligible if it is a top 3 pick, so basically it is going to end up being a 31-32 pick.This is getting off topic thoe.
I'm just saying that we need to keep playing hard. As much as everyone would like to believe that in a fantasy world that we get the #5 pick and pick up Brandon Jennings who ends up being Chris Paul or Derron Williams, i don't see it happening. And its not like moving down in the draft a few spots completely eliminates that chance in hell. I just want to see our guys fight and not give up at least this early in the season. When there is 15 games left ill revisit this, but for now i want to see what we can do. And don't take it as me not wanting a Chris Paul type player in the draft, I really hope we do get lucky, but i hope for the best and expect the worst.
I tell you guys what, if we end up missing out on the #5-7 pick that turns out to be a star quality player because we didn't blow this season, I'll make my sig say that I was completely wrong and you guys were all right and that "I will always listen to you when it comes to anything basketball and Kings related, because I know almost nothing compared to all of your divine basketball knowledge" and I'll keep it there FOREVER! haha. Deal?
"The Boston Celtics announced today that they have acquired 10-time All-Star and 2004 MVP Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick (top three protected) and a return of Minnesota's conditional first round draft pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. Minnesota also receives cash considerations in the deal." From NBA, so TWolfs got more than that 2009 draft pick.
Jerryaki
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so...why not trade that pick for a blue chipper? trade it for future picks? trade it for cash to sign a better free agent?
why are you dismissing the fact that a higher draft pick = better asset? why are you dismissing the fact that a higher draft pick is FREE basically if we continue to lose games? given the make-up of our roster and our lack of assets, why wouldn't you want a FREE, BETTER asset?????
vistacruza_kings
Bench
BEST STAT IN THIS WHOLE POST. that must have been hard to dig up. sure the draft is no garantee, but a top 4 has WAY more potential than a 10-20 pick, just look at quicy douby. check out last years draft.
1. derrick rose
2. michael beasly
3. oj mayo
three players with every bit of potential to be a star. oj mayo is already avg. 21 ppg. thats more than LEBRON, kobe, or dwight howard had there rookie years.
and then u have jt
10. jason thompson
now this is no knock on jt, when we drafted him most people had no idea who he was. so lemme ask you this do you see star potential in jt? i see a role player that has a great rebounding IQ that will dunk when he is left open. he will hustle and scrap all day but no star
i mean the difference between 1-4 and 10-30 is night and day, common people open your eyes, the stats dont lie.
however doesnt mean you cant get lucky SOMETIME (kevin martin, 26 overall pick)
Thompson was at #12. Hawes was at #10 in '07. I agree with the sentiment, though. Get in the top 5, and you're probably in good shape whether the draft is weak or not. It's that 8-15 range that really decides how strong a draft is in my mind.
Hoovtrain
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Actually they gave up the rights for the #5 pick which was Jeff Green (aka Michael Jordan V2) and a bunch of expirings and role players for Ray Allen. They acquired Kevin Garnet using a 2009 first round pick which is ineligible if it is a top 3 pick, so basically it is going to end up being a 31-32 pick.This is getting off topic thoe.
I'm just saying that we need to keep playing hard. As much as everyone would like to believe that in a fantasy world that we get the #5 pick and pick up Brandon Jennings who ends up being Chris Paul or Derron Williams, i don't see it happening. And its not like moving down in the draft a few spots completely eliminates that chance in hell. I just want to see our guys fight and not give up at least this early in the season. When there is 15 games left ill revisit this, but for now i want to see what we can do. And don't take it as me not wanting a Chris Paul type player in the draft, I really hope we do get lucky, but i hope for the best and expect the worst.
I tell you guys what, if we end up missing out on the #5-7 pick that turns out to be a star quality player because we didn't blow this season, I'll make my sig say that I was completely wrong and you guys were all right and that "I will always listen to you when it comes to anything basketball and Kings related, because I know almost nothing compared to all of your divine basketball knowledge" and I'll keep it there FOREVER! haha. Deal?
The centerpiece of the Garnett deal was Al Jefferson.
Kingster
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I think everybody on this board wants this team to work hard. The youngins need to develop a very good work ethic in order to get better and achieve their potential.
As for all the rest of it, you either believe your odds get better at getting an elite player the higher up in the draft you go, or you don't. All this stuff about Paul and Williams is hogwash. We might not even pick a pg if we get a top 5 draft pick. Do you think your odds get better at getting a quality player higher up in the draft or don't you? If you do, then you can still hope for a high pick, you can still hope that the team plays hard, you can still hope that the youngins get played a lot. They are not mutually exclusive choices.
Jerryaki
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Ah, come on. I honesty think we can have a decent discussion without it turning into yet another thread that dissolves into the "tanking" morass that is endless and without any way to resolve.
I personally hope every night the team comes out with heart and hustle, energy and effort. That's the short-term.
In the long term, I yearn for another good draft pick, and getting something from the top five would be wonderful. That's the big picture, because it leads to youth on the team and a chance to experience again what we felt in 2002-2003 only better.
I do not, however, advocate "tanking" as a means to obtain the latter.
Kingster used the key word "hope" because that's what he meant. And I understand where he's coming from...
We're all Kings fans at the end of the day. As such, if we're actually in attendance at Arco, I'm pretty sure we'd be rooting for the team to win on any given night, even those who want to see us get a good draft pick.
Being a fan of a rebuilding team isn't easy and it certainly isn't for the faint of heart. Your emotions are mixed, you're on the roller coaster ride that could probably be diagnosed as bi-polar disorder and yet you keep coming back.
At the end of all this, we all want the same thing. All we're really arguing about is whether to take the scenic route or the expressway.
GO KINGS!!!
I personally hope every night the team comes out with heart and hustle, energy and effort. That's the short-term.
In the long term, I yearn for another good draft pick, and getting something from the top five would be wonderful. That's the big picture, because it leads to youth on the team and a chance to experience again what we felt in 2002-2003 only better.
I do not, however, advocate "tanking" as a means to obtain the latter.
Kingster used the key word "hope" because that's what he meant. And I understand where he's coming from...
We're all Kings fans at the end of the day. As such, if we're actually in attendance at Arco, I'm pretty sure we'd be rooting for the team to win on any given night, even those who want to see us get a good draft pick.
Being a fan of a rebuilding team isn't easy and it certainly isn't for the faint of heart. Your emotions are mixed, you're on the roller coaster ride that could probably be diagnosed as bi-polar disorder and yet you keep coming back.
At the end of all this, we all want the same thing. All we're really arguing about is whether to take the scenic route or the expressway.
GO KINGS!!!
Jerryaki
Starter
gotcha VF, but just want to point out that neither i nor kingster brought it up first in this thread...
vistacruza_kings
Bench
lets just put this thread to REST. we all would like to see the kings have a bright future.
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Rookie
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Just my opinion: Wishing your own team to lose....morally it doesn't sound good. Maybe even flat out wrong but it does give us a better chance at the top 5 draft pick. Can't argrue with that.BUT trying to justify that the top 5 draft pick is not going to help the team smell like BS to me.
Fair enough. I'm just so tired of that whole endless debate which is actually more a matter of semantics than anything else.
Kings Faithful
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No, i don't consider playing the young ones tanking. In fact, the young ones probably give us a better chance to win when they are playing well. I just don't see how some people can go into the next game going...LETS LOSE, LETS LOSE, LETS LOSE, THE GOAL IS LOSING! It doesn't click with me. I don't think our team is bad enough to have a top 5 pick...as much as our record refutes that, i don't see us losing like we did the last few months. And i understand that going up in the draft increases our chances of getting a good or even a star player which is good, im not denying it. I just think its more encouraging to see our team of young guys put up good numbers and win 40 games or more than to win 20 games and move up a few spots in the draft so we can win 35 games next year. Either way, with two draft picks and some quality FA's coming up I think our team is going to improve regardless of our spot in the draft and thats the main thing we need to think about. Lets just stop this argument because our goals are all the same, its just how we go about them that we differ, and I believe that either way we'll be just fine.
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