Good article on Chandler:

Indeed an interesting article. I'd love to see him here in Sactown, he would be a great addition to our team. I read that his family lives in southern California, maybe that could be a reason for him to prefer Sacramento over other teams.
But honestly I still think that he's going to keep playing in Dallas
 
If the choice was as simple as which guy would you rather have, I'd take Tyson Chandler over Dalembert. They are about even as rebounders and Dalembert is the better shotblocker but the real difference is mindset. Dalembert has shown throughout his career that he will sulk or pout if he doesn't feel he's utilized enough and doesn't quite understand his offensive limitations. Most importantly he's not a leader in the locker room.

Chandler on the other hand, does bring a lot to a locker room and a better understanding of his role. Chandler actually scored more points (10.1 ppg vs 8.1) while taking fewer shots per game and hitting 65% of them vs Dalemberts 47% mostly because Chandler played within himself and didn't worry about whether he was getting enough touches or not. Sure, there's still concern over his injury history (despite him being over a year younger he's played a season more than Dalembert and has a lot more mileage on his body) and I think he'll command a higher price tag but I'd rather have him on the Kings.

That said, I don't think there's much of a chance he signs anywhere but Dallas unless the new CBA limits the Mavs ability to bring him back. Of course the sentiment around the team seems to be that Dalembert has one foot out the door so I certainly think you have to at least pitch Chandler on coming to Sacramento.
 
Don't think he would help that much. He's worse offensively compared to Dally and Nene, and he's not a rim defender, but rather a good pick and roll defensive presence and offensive rebounder. There are other guys ahead of him that I would go after to pair with our current frontline guys.
 
Petrie has mentioned trying to get Nene before. Somehow I don't think he ever truly takes his eyes off someone he likes. If he has the green light to go after a big bucks free agent big man, my bet is that he goes after Nene.
 
Showtime said:
Don't think he would help that much. He's worse offensively compared to Dally and Nene, and he's not a rim defender, but rather a good pick and roll defensive presence and offensive rebounder. There are other guys ahead of him that I would go after to pair with our current frontline guys.
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Interesting that you think Chandler is worse offensively when he scored more points than Dalembert on fewer shots, and had a higher shooting percentage. Last time I checked, they don't give you anything for style points. Offensively, I think he's a better fit than Dalembert. He doesn't demand the ball and doesn't think of himself as an offensive player. He just takes whats there. Defensively, he may not be the shot blocker that Dalembert is, but he holds position under the basket much better than Dalembert, and is excellent at rotating and cutting off the basket. He's an intimidating presence under the basket, and alters a lot of shots.

Result wise, the difference in blocks isn't that great. Dalembert has averaged 1.9 blocks for his career and Chandler has averaged 1.4 blocks for his career.
 
Showtime said:
Don't think he would help that much. He's worse offensively compared to Dally and Nene, and he's not a rim defender, but rather a good pick and roll defensive presence and offensive rebounder. There are other guys ahead of him that I would go after to pair with our current frontline guys.
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Wow. We don't need someone to pair with our current frontline guys. We just need someone to pair with cousins. And I think Chandler or Dally are the two best out there.
 
est.1999 said:
Wow. We don't need someone to pair with our current frontline guys. We just need someone to pair with cousins. And I think Chandler or Dally are the two best out there.
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I like Okafor as well if he's available for the right trade. Big contract but only 3 more years and he is slightly younger.
 
There is one "link" if you like that might give us some inside running with Chandler and thats Bobby Jackson.

I am not sure if many are aware but Chandler and B-Jax used to be very close in NO to the point where their families socialized together and they were best buddies there so when Jackson was traded by the Hornets, Chandler was a bit of a shattered man.

I am expecting that under the new CBA, Dallas will have a real difficult time in keeping Chandler...just take a look at their committed salary to next year!

In the case where other teams come into play, I feel like we might just have the best chance to get him. His family lives in SoCal but I don't believe the Clippers will go after him as their #1 priority would be Jordan.

The next closest thing is Sacramento who have an appeal because its close to SoCal, has the money to offer and there is the Bobby Jackson factor as well so the settling in and transition period would be easier for everyone.

I am quietly confident that we are not as much out of the running as some people think.
 
Čarolija said:
There is one "link" if you like that might give us some inside running with Chandler and thats Bobby Jackson.

I am not sure if many are aware but Chandler and B-Jax used to be very close in NO to the point where their families socialized together and they were best buddies there so when Jackson was traded by the Hornets, Chandler was a bit of a shattered man.

I am expecting that under the new CBA, Dallas will have a real difficult time in keeping Chandler...just take a look at their committed salary to next year!

In the case where other teams come into play, I feel like we might just have the best chance to get him. His family lives in SoCal but I don't believe the Clippers will go after him as their #1 priority would be Jordan.

The next closest thing is Sacramento who have an appeal because its close to SoCal, has the money to offer and there is the Bobby Jackson factor as well so the settling in and transition period would be easier for everyone.

I am quietly confident that we are not as much out of the running as some people think.
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Now don't get me excited. :) People need to read the article to see that it would not be far fetched if he signed with the Kings. He did not sign an extension with Dallas which would have solved any problem the future CBA might have caused. He turned down a lot of money. Also he mentioned that he might want to go to an up and coming team. That could be the Kings.

His actions and statements make more sense if Bobby has been talking with him. Perhaps this explains why the FO has seemed a bit distant as to pursuing Daly.
 
I'd take Dally over Chandler 9 times out of 10 based on one thing.... Health.

Dally is an iron man, Tyson is oft-injured.

Would I be disappointed if Dally walks and we end up with Chandler? Hell no. I'd take Chandler over any other big as a plan b (besides maybe DeAndre Jordan, who is turning into quite the shot blocker). Dunno if we count as an "up and coming" team just yet either. We're still pretty abysmal.
 
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I'd take Dally over Chandler 9 times out of 10 based on one thing.... Health.

Dally is an iron man, Tyson is oft-injured.

Would I be disappointed if Dally walks and we end up with Chandler? Hell no. I'd take Chandler over any other big as a plan b (besides maybe DeAndre Jordan, who is turning into quite the shot blocker). But I'm pretty sure its gonna be moot, doubt Chandler leaves the Mavs.
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A lot of people are saying this but lets look at the facts!

The CBA will ensure that the salary structure will be very different to what it is now. It will be capped! It might be not be a $45million hard cap that the owners are asking but it could very well be a version of a soft cap set at some $60 million. This seems to be the most likely outcome.

For next season, Dallas has over $63 million in committed salaries. I very much doubt they will be able to sign Chandler without trading someone else away for a salary dump and with likely restrictions around the salary cap going forward, the teams will not be as willing to take on salary from someone else if its a salary dump.

I do agree that if things remain as they are now, no way Dallas loses Chandler but the salary cap structure WILL change and it WILL be more restrictive than it is now. Remember no one thought that Cuban would let Nash go anywhere but Nash ended up in Phoenix as a free agent.
 
I tend to agree with Carolija here, and don't think it's as unlikely Chandler is an option as some do. I did not know about the connection to BJax which just adds to it.

I heard an interview with Chandler on a Dal radio station about a week after they beat Mia. He said he won't give Dal a hometown discount, that he would consider all options, and financially would have some great opportunites just ahead. This article seems to confirm that.

He has sounded non-commital since the season ended. I've been following it very closely, as he's my #1 FA target. He's also a small town, california boy. He didn't grow up in Compton where he went to highschool. He grew up on a farm south of Bakersfield, which his dad still works. We would be just up the road, and the best option close to home. LAL, no. LAC, have Kaman and Jordan. GS, doesn't have to cap space to sign him. Pho? Yeah right. Nash will be gone by this time next year, and they will crumble. We'll make the playoffs again before them.

Of course it's hope and speculation, but it is also logical. In the interview it says he's looking at up and coming teams, and teams with money. Uh......who fits that scenario better than we do? Ind? The have Hibbert. Tor? They suck, and drafted Valanciunas. Wash? Have Mcgee, and not as much cap space. NJ? Maybe, but their roster doesn't have half the talent we have.

Tyson we want you! Kingsfans will mow you'll lawn for a year! We'll take turns! Come back to Cali.

I'm not getting into the CBA. I've already stated a number of times why Dal might not be able to resign him even if they want to. Might be completely out of their control.
 
I know lots of people are assuming that Cuban will pay whatever it takes to keep Chandler but didn't Cuban let Nash walk because he wanted too much money? Keep in mind, the Mavericks are already over the cap as we speak and that's before resigning Chandler, Butler, and Barea. Because of those things I think the Kings have a better chance of signing Cchandler than a lot of people think. I just hope that if The Kings do get Chandler they don't have to overpay him by too much.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
I know lots of people are assuming that Cuban will pay whatever it takes to keep Chandler but didn't Cuban let Nash walk because he wanted too much money? Keep in mind, the Mavericks are already over the cap as we speak and that's before resigning Chandler, Butler, and Barea. Because of those things I think the Kings have a better chance of signing Cchandler than a lot of people think. I just hope that if The Kings do get Chandler they don't have to overpay him by too much.
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The difference there is that Nash had not gotten it done. Now they are coming off of a championship season. The incentives to bring everybody back have skyrocketed, especially given their very short window here before they all limp off to the old folks' home.
 
The only guys on this team I feel confident about in terms of their discipline, work ethic, and unselfishness are Garcia, Thompson, Thornton. That's it. That's why Chandler would be great - because of his intangibles as well as skill. The guy has his head on straight.
 
Čarolija said:
A lot of people are saying this but lets look at the facts!

The CBA will ensure that the salary structure will be very different to what it is now. It will be capped! It might be not be a $45million hard cap that the owners are asking but it could very well be a version of a soft cap set at some $60 million. This seems to be the most likely outcome.

For next season, Dallas has over $63 million in committed salaries. I very much doubt they will be able to sign Chandler without trading someone else away for a salary dump and with likely restrictions around the salary cap going forward, the teams will not be as willing to take on salary from someone else if its a salary dump.

I do agree that if things remain as they are now, no way Dallas loses Chandler but the salary cap structure WILL change and it WILL be more restrictive than it is now. Remember no one thought that Cuban would let Nash go anywhere but Nash ended up in Phoenix as a free agent.
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Agreed. Sometimes there is a defeatist attitude on this board. I agree with the Maloofs: Start at the top (with FA) and work your way down. Chandler is near the top.
 
Čarolija said:
Here is a link to Chandler's blog when Bobby got traded from NO to Houston

http://www.tysonchandler.com/node/93
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Sometimes all it takes is for a relationship like this to be able to get a free agent to come to town. I'd say the Kings have an excellent shot at it if they actually try to get him. Coming off of a championship and finding out that he was one of the leaders of the Mavericks locker room, he would be the PERFECT vet for this team.
 
Everythings in place for us to make a move here but it all comes down to if GP wants that defensive big. I do feel that once he takes a liking to a prospect he will do all he can to bring them in if we miss out on them initially. Im worried he'll spend the cash on nene as opposed to chandler in all honesty.

We really have a great chance here. This is the one big FA signing that can push us right back into the playoffs. We need to make this happen but it all lies with GP
 
Sac.1989 said:
Everythings in place for us to make a move here but it all comes down to if GP wants that defensive big. I do feel that once he takes a liking to a prospect he will do all he can to bring them in if we miss out on them initially. Im worried he'll spend the cash on nene as opposed to chandler in all honesty.

We really have a great chance here. This is the one big FA signing that can push us right back into the playoffs. We need to make this happen but it all lies with GP
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Not to nic pic, but only half of it lies with Petrie. The other half lies with the player. I have no doubt that Petrie will do everything he can to sign or trade for the player the Kings desire. But when it comes to signing, its also up to the player. If he doesn't want to come here, there's not much anyone can do about it.
 
yeah your absolutely right. My main concern is that whilst we all want a defensive big who wont take away from our offense and will QB our Defence, that want isnt shared by GP and that hes going to push for the more offensive Nene over Dally/Chandler which is really where we should be heading with the make up of this team
 
Sac.1989 said:
yeah your absolutely right. My main concern is that whilst we all want a defensive big who wont take away from our offense and will QB our Defence, that want isnt shared by GP and that hes going to push for the more offensive Nene over Dally/Chandler which is really where we should be heading with the make up of this team
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I don't think anyone can say that we a great deal of certainty and here are my reasons for it:

* Remember that Petrie was super high on Noah and was genuinely disappointed when Chicago picked him a pick before ours.
* It has been reported a few times in a couple of years following the draft that Petrie has made a number of attempts to trade for Noah
* He DID trade for Dalembert who is a defensive player and what many would call "anti-Petrie"

I think Petrie appreciates the importance of players like Noah, Chandler and Dalembert but he also happens to value skilled players. There is no point in getting Noah, Chandler or Dalembert if you don't have your stars to build around. Those type of player, while extremely integral to the success of their respective teams, they are not franchise type players that you build around.
 
The thing with Petrie us, and I have detailed this before, is that his ENTIRE forever tenure, no shotblocker/rebounder type has ever lasted longer than 1 season for us. Unless you want to count Pollard, who was more hustle/banger with a little shotblocking than true intimidator. None of them. Oh, Geoff might burn a minor resource to acquire them, but he has never shown the longterm realization of their value, either in acquiring players of that ilk who have a chance to last, or in keeping the ones he does acquire. That goes for everybody from Yogi Stewart to Keon Clark to Greg Ostertag, everybody. As I have also mentioned before, in all those years of not finding, and not retaining, players with that skillset, there have been franchises that just find them one after another. Why? Because they put a premium on them and actively pursue them.

Now two kinda hopes here. First, the main reason I am no longer calling for Petrie's head is because Petrie has been dead for the past few years. The old Petrie at least. A new man has taken his place, and a man much more interested in inside play and defense then the former soft and skilled GM. And second, the larger problem with the former brief attempts at shotblockers might have been the old Petrie's lack of passion for that style of player, and hence acquisition of only marginal guys to fill that role. Michael Stewart was a nobody, came to us, and returned to nobody hood. Keon Clark was a pothead. Tag was near the end and would never play again. And just etc. So Dalembert, while fitting the same pattern again by being acquired in the final year of his contract so that Geoff wouldn't take the risk of being caught with one of those nasty shotblocker guys, nonetheless might well be the best/most legit player of that type Petrie has ever brought in. And if the retention problem of earlier years was actually due just to Geoff not being willing to burn the assets to bring in a quality player of this type, well now he did, and so now there maybe is something worth keeping. Maybe.
 
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Bricklayer said:
The thing with Petrie us, and I have detailed this before, is that his ENTIRE forever tenure, no shotblocker/rebounder type has ever lasted longer than 1 season for us. Unless you want to count Pollard, who was more hustle/banger with a little shotblocking than true intimidator. None of them. Oh, Geoff might burn a minor resource to acquire them, but he has never shown the longterm realization of their value, either in acquiring players of that ilk who have a chance to last, or in keeping the ones he does acquire. That goes for everybody from Yogi Stewart to Keon Clark to Greg Ostertag, everybody. As I have also mentioned before, in all those years of not finding, and not retaining, players with that skillset, there have been franchises that just find them one after another. Why? Because they put a premium on them and actively pursue them.

Now two kinda hopes here. First, the main reason I am no longer calling for Petrie's head is because Petrie has been dead for the past few years. The old Petrie at least. A new man has taken his place, and a man much more interested in inside play and defense then the former soft and skilled GM. And second, the larger problem with the former brief attempts at shotblockers might have been the old Petrie's lack of passion for that style of player, and hence acquisition of only marginal guys to fill that role. Michael Stewart was a nobody, came to us, and returned to nobody hood. Keon Clark was a pothead. Tag was near the end and would never play again. And just etc. So Dalembert, while fitting the same pattern again by being acquired in the final year of his contract so that Geoff wouldn't take the risk of being caught with one of those nasty shotblocker guys, nonetheless might well be the best/most legit player of that type Petrie has ever brought in. And if the retention problem of earlier years was actually due just to Geoff not being willing to burn the assets to bring in a quality player of this type, well now he did, and so now there maybe is something worth keeping. Maybe.
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I think Westphal has something to do with the new Petrie. Petrie started to change his colors when Westphal came into the picture, both say they have a close relationship when it comes to personnel matters, and Westphal was gung ho on physical players who could play D from the beginning. Of course Jimmer is the exception to the rule here...
 
Adding Chandler would be great! However, he is going to ask for a lot of money, sure...we have lots of cap space but we have to spend it carefully.
 
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