Gerald Wallace?

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Longshot here. But reports are that the Nets are trying to create a 4 team deal to get Dwight, including the Trailblazers trading away Gerald Wallace as part of it. No word who the 4th team is (Nets, Blazers, Magic, ???)

Given our interest in Kirilenko, in shorter contracts, in defensive guys, any chance we could be team #4? We've got all kinds of assets stacked around that could be sent one way or the other.

Wallace's contract runs $10,650,000 this year and 11,437,000 (player option) next.
 
Kings need an athletic SF. I'd rather have AK, but would also welcome a GW homecoming. Especially over signing a guy like Crawford.
 
Bricklayer said:
Longshot here. But reports are that the Nets are trying to create a 4 team deal to get Dwight, including the Trailblazers trading away Gerald Wallace as part of it. No word who the 4th team is (Nets, Blazers, Magic, ???)

Given our interest in Kirilenko, in shorter contracts, in defensive guys, any chance we could be team #4? We've got all kinds of assets stacked around that could be sent one way or the other.

Wallace's contract runs $10,650,000 this year and 11,437,000 (player option) next.
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Woj tweeted that the Blazers could net 'as many as 3 draft picks' for Gerald Wallace. Of course all 3 wouldn't be 1st rounders, but thats still a steep price. If the Maloofs are willing to use our cap space, I could see us giving up JT, a second rounder, and our cap room for Wallace. Its something I would look into for sure. I may even prefer giving up Hickson. I actually like JT more on this team, but I realize I may be alone on that one. Hickson probly has more value around the league aswell.

Portland sure could use some full size bigs though. Hickson for Wallace makes a lot of sense for both teams in my opinion.
 
GW does fill most of the needs we have at sf, and would help significantly with rebounding if there is no Sammy D (which would be even more likely if we get involved in this trade.) Would like a better 3pt. %, but he has shown some flashes in some years. Would love to see Evans/Jimmer tossing alley-oops to him on the break.

Just depends on what we have to give up. I would do Salmons or Garcia + JT or Hickson + Donte or 2nd round pick, to swing this deal. Not sure that gets it done though. I see absolutly no need for Salmons if we have wallace. Plus, I am of the overly optomistic Honeycutt fan club. I think he will be a very good bench player for us and possible a decent spot starter in the future.
 
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THing is that in order for the Blazers to get involved, pretty sure at least some of those picks would be coming from New Jersey. Would Orlando want a 29yr old Wallace? Or would this signal a rebuild with youth around Lopez and...whoever? With the whoever likely supplied by us?
 
Bricklayer said:
Longshot here. But reports are that the Nets are trying to create a 4 team deal to get Dwight, including the Trailblazers trading away Gerald Wallace as part of it. No word who the 4th team is (Nets, Blazers, Magic, ???)

Given our interest in Kirilenko, in shorter contracts, in defensive guys, any chance we could be team #4? We've got all kinds of assets stacked around that could be sent one way or the other.

Wallace's contract runs $10,650,000 this year and 11,437,000 (player option) next.
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mmmmm... i like the way you think. i've been drooling over the idea of ak-47 in a kings uni for a few years now, so i'm still hoping petrie can make it happen. however, this would be an excellent backup plan. like kirilenko, gerald wallace is the consummate, defensive-minded, utility SF that francisco garcia is not, and donte greene hasn't been able to become. bringing over either one of those guys solves a lot of problems because they immediately help to solidify a rotation. you no longer have to worry about what you're getting out of your starting SF position, and you could shift salmons over to a role as a backup SG, so he can play more within his size and strengths...

even if the deal for dwight howard falls through, portland has to be thinking in the long-term about how to rebuild. roy has retired. oden has encountered yet another setback in his recovery, and is unlikely to play this season. they've got some nice young pieces, and a budding star in lamarcus aldridge, but the title dreams we all saw gleaming in the blazers eyes just a few years ago have faded. they need to be proactive in chasing deals to acquire picks for a stacked 2012 draft, and gerald wallace is as good an asset as any to start shopping around. i wouldn't mind the kings making an effort to move some of their duplicate assets to acquire him. honestly, i wouldn't even mind them moving their first round pick. we've got our youth movement. we've got our future stars. time to start winning with them. no need to add more youth that'll just bollocks up the proceedings...
 
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Kingster said:
Wallace makes sense, just like Kirilenko. In both cases you have to unload Salmons though.
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I just don't see that happening though.

In an interview with Paul Westphal he said "John Salmons has been excellent all the time" Paul has found his new crush.

From Sean May, to Mason, to Udoka, to Salmons...

In order to drop Salmons we would have to amnesty him. No one is taking him and his contract. It's just not happening.
 
This getting rid of Salmons is purely a fan's dream. If you have been paying attention, the staff really loves Salmons. Coach loves him and he's been praised in interviews. He is not going anywhere. He's a big guard who can stretch to SF. He's going to stay and the fans better start getting warm to the idea.
 
I think wallace would definitely fill a need on the team, but i have a feeling that the asking price is too high. This years draft looks too great to give up our 1st rounder and i don't know if a package around one of our mediocre bigs would get it done. If portland had showed interest in Dalembert, a sign and trade might be a viable option, but they stil have Camby. He is old as hell though, you never know!
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
I just don't see that happening though.

In an interview with Paul Westphal he said "John Salmons has been excellent all the time" Paul has found his new crush.

From Sean May, to Mason, to Udoka, to Salmons...

In order to drop Salmons we would have to amnesty him. No one is taking him and his contract. It's just not happening.
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Am i the only one who thought Udoka was actually pretty good for us? i liked him!
 
Hallama said:
Biggest hitch is the trade involves GW going to Orlando as a major piece (along with BLopez). So it's not about finding a team for Wallace at this point...now, if the Kings wanted to take on Hedo's contract, that might be another slant.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...serious-talks-get-orlando-magic-dwight-howard
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Yeah, seems as though Wallace would be one of the main pieces going to ORL along with Lopez and draft picks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...Send_Wallace_To_Magic_In_Howard_To_Nets_Trade
 
Bricklayer said:
Longshot here. But reports are that the Nets are trying to create a 4 team deal to get Dwight, including the Trailblazers trading away Gerald Wallace as part of it. No word who the 4th team is (Nets, Blazers, Magic, ???)

Given our interest in Kirilenko, in shorter contracts, in defensive guys, any chance we could be team #4? We've got all kinds of assets stacked around that could be sent one way or the other.

Wallace's contract runs $10,650,000 this year and 11,437,000 (player option) next.
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I'm a big fan of Gerald. He's a very good defensive player, and an excellent rebounder for the SF position. He's also a much better offensive player than Kirilenko. And, the part about Gerald's offensive game that I like, is that he's more of an opportunistic scorer than a player that demands the ball. It is my humble opinion, that if you add Wallace to this team, they become an automatic playoff team. I can't say that comfortablely about adding either Kirilenko or Crawford. We'd have him for two years, and his contract would end without conflicting with Evans or Cousins future freeagency.

I'll leave it up to you to make this happen!!
 
bluntsnbball said:
I think wallace would definitely fill a need on the team, but i have a feeling that the asking price is too high. This years draft looks too great to give up our 1st rounder and i don't know if a package around one of our mediocre bigs would get it done. If portland had showed interest in Dalembert, a sign and trade might be a viable option, but they stil have Camby. He is old as hell though, you never know!
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that's precisely why our first rounder has so much value as trade bait. its looking to be a very deep and absolutely stacked draft, but what good is that news to the kings? what good could possibly come from adding another young player to this team who needs to develop, no matter how much potential they have? if you look at the kings roster as it stands right now, it is replete with youth and mismatched confusion. another undeveloped talent is precisely what the kings do not need heading into the 2012-2013 season. the kings drafted tyreke evans. they drafted demarcus cousins. they traded for marcus thornton. at a certain point, a consistently lottery-bound team has to stop waiting for the next big thing to come along, especially when the next big things might already be on your roster. you have to give the talent you have time to coalesce. it doesn't happen overnight. you bet high when the right hand comes along, then you cash out. its time to cash out. its time for the kings to start winning...

this season will be exciting. but it will still be developmental in nature. it will still likely result in a lottery selection. however, regardless of the shortened nature of this season, it should represent a (to-scale) improvement on last season's win total. and the hopeful chants being shouted down from the rafters next season should sound something like "PLAYOFFS!! PLAYOFFS!!" that should be a realistic possibility. the 2012 offseason might, in fact, be the last time the kings are in the lottery for a long time, if evans, cousins, thornton, et al. live up to their potential. the 2012 draft also happens to be one of the best projected drafts in recent memory. all of those mismatched parts currently on the kings roster might not look so good to potential trade partners today. however, throw a 2012 lottery pick into the mix tomorrow, and, all of a sudden, the kings may actually be able to swing a truly difference-making trade. gerald wallace is just one of those kinds of acquisitions. by trading for wallace last season, the injury-rattled portland trailblazers were able to buoy their playoff hopes. wallace's toughness, hard-nosed defense, and rebounding ability helped to catapult them into the playoffs, when by all rights they should have fallen out of the hunt after brandon roy's knee surgery. imagine what adding that kind of veteran presence could do to a young team on the upswing!!

now, its clear that the kings aren't necessarily working to acquire gerald wallace, but i salivate at the notion, because, similar to the offer sheet the kings put on the table for andrei kirilenko, its precisely the kind of bold move they need to be pursuing in order to craft a winning team. you know what i don't salivate over anymore? the lottery. the kings pulled two of the top five players out of the last three drafts, and they traded for another in marcus thornton. time to take that last potential lottery pick and cash it in for complementary pieces...
 
With the Howard trade talks being shut down, at least for the time, would it be possible to trade directly with Portland or is their asking price too high?

It was reported that they might have received multiple draft picks along with the salary dump in exchange for Wallace. With their season not even starting and the fact they have already lost Roy and Oden, would they be open to exchanging him for something along the lines of Greene and Whiteside, two young and long players?
 
whozit said:
With the Howard trade talks being shut down, at least for the time, would it be possible to trade directly with Portland or is their asking price too high?

It was reported that they might have received multiple draft picks along with the salary dump in exchange for Wallace. With their season not even starting and the fact they have already lost Roy and Oden, would they be open to exchanging him for something along the lines of Greene and Whiteside, two young and long players?
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i like these ideas, and i would love to see petrie make it happen, unlikely though it may be...

but on a side note, i have to say that i REALLY hope both dwight howard and chris paul are traded before the season opens on christmas day...

otherwise, its gonna be the condensed carmelo circus 2.0 on steroids right after dropping acid all the way up until the march trade deadline...

there are other story lines worth following in the nba this season, the progress of the kings being one of them...

i'd hate to see everything get overshadowed by this sitcom-level, will-they-or-won't-they nonsense...
 
Padrino said:
that's precisely why our first rounder has so much value as trade bait.

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now, its clear that the kings aren't necessarily working to acquire gerald wallace, but i salivate at the notion, because, similar to the offer sheet the kings put on the table for andrei kirilenko, its precisely the kind of bold move they need to be pursuing in order to craft a winning team. you know what i don't salivate over anymore? the lottery. the kings pulled two of the top five players out of the last three drafts, and they traded for another in marcus thornton. time to take that last potential lottery pick and cash it in for complementary pieces...
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Unfortunately, we don't HAVE a first-rounder to give. We traded away a protected pick in the Hickson deal, so we can't deal a first rounder basically until we make the playoffs and that traded pick gets conveyed.

I think that either Wallace or Kirilenko would be a great option for this team, but I don't know what we can offer for Wallace outside of cap room. We can't offer a meaningful pick. We only have a five-man frontline right now and one of those is the completely untested Whiteside, so JT or Hickson, while potentially providing enough value to get a trade to go through, would leave us really thin up front and possibly do more harm than good. So that does make me think that on balance, Kirilenko is the better option (i.e., +Kirilenko > +Wallace-JT, unless we can turn around and replace JT adequately.)
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Unfortunately, we don't HAVE a first-rounder to give. We traded away a protected pick in the Hickson deal, so we can't deal a first rounder basically until we make the playoffs and that traded pick gets conveyed.

I think that either Wallace or Kirilenko would be a great option for this team, but I don't know what we can offer for Wallace outside of cap room. We can't offer a meaningful pick. We only have a five-man frontline right now and one of those is the completely untested Whiteside, so JT or Hickson, while potentially providing enough value to get a trade to go through, would leave us really thin up front and possibly do more harm than good. So that does make me think that on balance, Kirilenko is the better option (i.e., +Kirilenko > +Wallace-JT, unless we can turn around and replace JT adequately.)
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edit: ah, i see. i misunderstood the nature of the pick we traded. my mistake...
 
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I've been calling for us to attempt to pry GW from Por for awhile now. If possible, do it. Unless of course, AK is coming. He's my #1.
 
i'd love to get Crash. we dont really have any high flyers other then Donte n Hickson. I'd give up any of the following; JT, Whiteside, Donte, Cisco, Thomas, Honeycutt, picks caproom.

Im pretty sure if we did get him we would be the best rebouding team in the league and Hayes and Wallace starting would even out the offense/defense on our top 5.
 
Padrino said:
that's precisely why our first rounder has so much value as trade bait. its looking to be a very deep and absolutely stacked draft, but what good is that news to the kings? what good could possibly come from adding another young player to this team who needs to develop, no matter how much potential they have?
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The benefit of drafting young talent on a young team is trade assets. The Clippers, who are ALWAYS in the lottery just landed Chris Paul with their youngsters. Yes, that's LA, not Sac, and its a more desirable location. But part of the reason he wanted to go there was to play with Griffin. Everyone on this site is playoffs or bust but we are in the western conference and i don't see us making the playoffs for another 2-3 years unless we get a big FA or our youngsters develop at a surprisingly fast rate. If we had more young talent, we would have more trade bait and have a lot more to offer for the Gerald Wallaces and others. Right now our young "talent" is mostly mediocre, therefore they have mediocre trade value. i for one would love to see us make the playoffs, but as long as our core improves over the next couple of years, i wont be upset to see us in the lottery. Plus, you never know when we're gonna strike gold with our own Blake Griffin type player in the draft, GP does have seem to usually have a good eye for that.

I apologize for this rant having little to do with GW, but i just had to say it.
 
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