Game -5: Sacramento Kings v. Brooklyn Nets. 10/11/14 10 PM PST 1PM Chinese Time (I Think)

[206Fan]

Who says no?

Kings out: Rudy & Ben

IN: Tyreke & Ryan Anderson

I'd say no because it makes us less competitive. Evans doesn't fit our team unless he's going to come off the bench. He just won't fit in a heavy ISO type of play...via Cousins. Evans needs to be surrounded with shooters and not met with Cousins at the rim.

If we were to trade Gay, I'd look at players such as Gallinari, Parsons, and Batum. Of course there would be added pieces to make those trades work.

 

[206Fan]

Hmm. Most of the great shooters have usually been the best shooters on their team when rookies. Plenty of examples.

Stauskas would be the best shooter on many teams in the NBA right now

I would disagree with that, but the only reason why is because of McLemore. Ben's form looked like the 2nd coming of Ray Allen reborn into some kid named Ben. Ben shot .42% from 3 on 174attempts, roughly 4.7 attempts per game. However, in the NBA, he struggled really bad with his shooting.

I really like Stauskas, but I don't want to say anything like that yet.. because I was really wrong about Ben.

 

[upinsmoke]

I'd say no because it makes us less competitive. Evans doesn't fit our team unless he's going to come off the bench. He just won't fit in a heavy ISO type of play...via Cousins. Evans needs to be surrounded with shooters and not met with Cousins at the rim.

If we were to trade Gay, I'd look at players such as Gallinari, Parsons, and Batum. Of course there would be added pieces to make those trades work.

Rudy Is better than those players you mentioned and Evans to boot but the addition of Ryan Anderson would space the floor nicely. I'm just having some fun with trademachine so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[jcwkings]

Hmm. Most of the great shooters have usually been the best shooters on their team when rookies. Plenty of examples.

Stauskas would be the best shooter on many teams in the NBA right now

My comment wasn't a knock on Nik, i'm quite happy with him so far. More a comment on the state of the roster. Outside shooting is huge in today's NBA and the fact is the only good 3 point shooter on our team is an unproven 20 year old. I trust he will deliver adequately his rookie year and even more down the line, but for this season we could really use a good stretch 4 and a veteran SG that can hit the open 3. I would be all for packaging Ben Mac and junk for K Mart. Martin is actually a great fit for how the roster is currently constructed. Where other players sometimes need a change of scene to revive their careers, K-mart could really use a homecoming of sorts after being shipped around multiple teams the last few years. Sacramento is a city that truly appreciates K Mart.

 

[randymoss1881]

I would disagree with that, but the only reason why is because of McLemore. Ben's form looked like the 2nd coming of Ray Allen reborn into some kid named Ben. Ben shot .42% from 3 on 174attempts, roughly 4.7 attempts per game. However, in the NBA, he struggled really bad with his shooting.

I really like Stauskas, but I don't want to say anything like that yet.. because I was really wrong about Ben.

Nik was on another level of shooting in college then Ben and add in his Kobe like confidence. First year Ben was close to Nik 178 attempts 43.9%. 2nd year us what separates him 209 attempts 44% he got this high% however being the primary ball handeler. He was shooting off picks, off the dribbler, and more importantly as the dribbler in the pick and roll. While Ben was more spot up shooting. Just look at there summer league stats we should have seen the red flag there in Ben there bad
Ben: 5-35 14% 3s (2nd yr. 7-23 30%)
Nik: 11-23 47%

I'm expecting Nik to have similar shooting rookie numbers to beal (4.2-38.8%) and Klay (4.1-41%)

 

[Bricklayer]

Nik was on another level of shooting in college then Ben and add in his Kobe like confidence. First year Ben was close to Nik 178 attempts 43.9%. 2nd year us what separates him 209 attempts 44% he got this high% however being the primary ball handeler. He was shooting off picks, off the dribbler, and more importantly as the dribbler in the pick and roll. While Ben was more spot up shooting. Just look at there summer league stats we should have seen the red flag there in Ben there bad
Ben: 5-35 14% 3s (2nd yr. 7-23 30%)
Nik: 11-23 47%

I'm expecting Nik to have similar shooting rookie numbers to beal (4.2-38.8%) and Klay (4.1-41%)

I don't know that he is an aggressive scorer at those volumes, but I do think he's more than pure enough to threaten 40% from three. Given his age I think some of it will depend on how much confidence his veteran teammates develop in him. If he hits them, and Collison and Cuz etc. start looking for him out there, he could start routinely popping up with good scoring totals and sort of get dragged into being a significant scorer, which of course could give him confidence to go out and start making it happen himself. I can see a good path ahead for the kid if he's able to get started along it early. On the other hand if he's sketchy early maybe he never ignites, or at least doesn't until late in the season, and remains a guy who just has moments, occasional shots and bursts, but is also invisible a lot of the time.

 

[randymoss1881]

I don't know that he is an aggressive scorer at those volumes, but I do think he's more than pure enough to threaten 40% from three. Given his age I think some of it will depend on how much confidence his veteran teammates develop in him. If he hits them, and Collison and Cuz etc. start looking for him out there, he could start routinely popping up with good scoring totals and sort of get dragged into being a significant scorer, which of course could give him confidence to go out and start making it happen himself. I can see a good path ahead for the kid if he's able to get started along it early. On the other hand if he's sketchy early maybe he never ignites, or at least doesn't until late in the season, and remains a guy who just has moments, occasional shots and bursts, but is also invisible a lot of the time.

Stauskas or Ben? If it's Stauskas I don't think we will have to worry about his confidence dude is borderline cocky. Watching his college highlights in college where the crowed is all over you he gives them that I don't give a F*^k attitude.

 

[206Fan]

Rudy Is better than those players you mentioned and Evans to boot but the addition of Ryan Anderson would space the floor nicely. I'm just having some fun with trademachine so take it with a grain of salt.

I actually think Batum and Parsons are better than Gay. Gay's the better offensive player, but the other two are better. Batum and Parsons are unselfish players that can score from the wing and give you better defense than Gay.

Call me crazy, but I would happily swap Gay+____ +Landry for Parsons or Batum.

 

[Prince_XY]

It will be a waste of time and trade effort to get another non-defending offensive SG in Kevin Martin, just so we can replace our SG with a veteran. You get Martin and everyone will still be complaining on such a big defensive liability at SG in defense.

Is Martin the only available veteran SG out there we can get? I don't think he even fits. Yes, more scoring/points - he can give that. But the BIG HOLE at defense at SG will still be there and maybe worse. The problem is his lackluster attitude/approach/effort in defending might even be contagious. So, why even bother mentioning his name?

If you want to really be good, you look for a sure winner and not just this band-aid approach that we are used-to doing for so many years. We all know that for years - band-aid approach does not work for Sacramento. It is a waste of time.

Is Martin really the only veteran SG we can think of?

Really?

 

[Bricklayer]

It will be a waste of time and trade effort to get another non-defending offensive SG in Kevin Martin, just so we can replace our SG with a veteran. You get Martin and everyone will still be complaining on such a big defensive liability at SG in defense.

Is Martin the only available veteran SG out there we can get? I don't think he even fits. Yes, more scoring/points - he can give that. But the BIG HOLE at defense at SG will still be there and maybe worse. The problem is his lackluster attitude/approach/effort in defending might even be contagious. So, why even bother mentioning his name?

If you want to really be good, you look for a sure winner and not just this band-aid approach that we are used-to doing for so many years. We all know that for years - band-aid approach does not work for Sacramento. It is a waste of time.

Is Martin really the only veteran SG we can think of?

Really?

Pretty much. Certainly 1) of that caliber 2) for that money 3) who might legitimately be available.

And thing is that there is a second need with Cousins and Gay as your top dogs, and that's for major shooting to provide spacing for them since they'd rather attack inside. And we really struggled with that last year, and this year we are barely better, if at all, and as far as knockdown put it in the book shooting we're depending solely on a rookie. Ben...is Ben. DWill, Gay, we know these guys. Casspi can occasionally hit or get hot, but he's a career 35% shooter out there, and was at .347 last year. And at PG we've got Sessions, who's not really a 3pt shooter (career 31% and last year it was 28% on low volume) and Collison, who is not nearly as prolific as IT was from out there, but who is deadly form the short corners (but not up top, making it awkward to have to run plays with your PG ending up stuck in the corner). Basically the only real hope for 3pt sharpshooting to singlehandedly clear room for our stars' inside work is a rookie SG. Our shooting issues are prominent enough I'm not even sure we could afford a true non-shootist like Tony Allen as a starter even if we had him.

 

[KingMilz]

I actually think Batum and Parsons are better than Gay. Gay's the better offensive player, but the other two are better. Batum and Parsons are unselfish players that can score from the wing and give you better defense than Gay.

Call me crazy, but I would happily swap Gay+____ +Landry for Parsons or Batum.

They are both much better, Rudy is naturally more talented but they help you win games which is what you want. Batum for me but is way to passive most the time, like he could be so much better but he rarely brings out the killer in him (still would take him as our starting SF)

 

[KingMilz]

I think Pavlov would be proud. Mention anything not right with the Kings and automatic response is "Mclemore's fault." Makes me chuckle. But that's the curse of the Pizza Guy.

I suspect that the real issue is we lost IT who was such a good scorer that Now we're desperate for his scoring replacement. Thornton and Jimmer were both knock down shooters with no D at the SG spot and it didn't make a lick of difference for us.

We're going to score points as we're currently constructed. How we slow our opponents down in crunch time is more important to me. Other wise we are still going to be saying "If so and so just hit one more shot....."

Sessions

 

[206Fan]

They are both much better, Rudy is naturally more talented but they help you win games which is what you want. Batum for me but is way to passive most the time, like he could be so much better but he rarely brings out the killer in him (still would take him as our starting SF)

Yea I agree. Batum is a capable 20pts per game scorer, but he chooses not to. He doesn't force shots and he's a great passer. If he has a good shot, he'll pass it for a better shot. 5.1APG last year along with 7.5rebs.. considering he's playing next to LMA and Lopez. Batum is a winner