Tracy is signed long term (extension after the trade). Hughes is the only guy we really need and he could command max money. He is one hell of a defender and a steals machine but I can't see us adding his contract unless we sign and trade Mobley + new guy or something. Maybe Brown + Hughes for Mobley and Thomas or something. I don't know if that will even match.
Freeing up cash for next season....
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Well, Eisley aside, who is clearly entirely out of our price range, suspect that TMac will reup now that they are winning down there, and of the rest the only guy who coul help fill in our weaknesses is Hughes. But of course Wash will want him back badly, and I wouldn't be shocked to see somebody throw a max contract his way off his performance this year (not that I think he's a real max player).
Good analysis Brick. It would be foolish to deny that the Big Three all have similar strengths and weaknesses. That could only really be counteracted by acquiring DEFENSIVE/REBOUNDING players - and good ones at that (not the average ones we got from the philly trade). Only that would really give back the Kings their elite status in the league.
Right - we have some pieces now that can be moved. But for what? I think the best bet we have is a sign and trade - that is, somebody else's restricted free agent, since we don't have cap room.
I really like Donyell Marshall; can shoot a little bit, create mismatches, rebounds pretty well, and is unhappy with Toronto so looking to move.
And Toronto would be in a seller's situation cause he's unhappy - we wouldn't have to give up much to get him (i.e one of the new guys). It would be pretty much up to him where he wants to go - like a free agent but in a sign and trade (like we did with Brad).
I really like Donyell Marshall; can shoot a little bit, create mismatches, rebounds pretty well, and is unhappy with Toronto so looking to move.
And Toronto would be in a seller's situation cause he's unhappy - we wouldn't have to give up much to get him (i.e one of the new guys). It would be pretty much up to him where he wants to go - like a free agent but in a sign and trade (like we did with Brad).
Donyell is interesting, as is Tyson. I've always liked Tyson, and he would be an interesting fit on the Kings. He's a great rebounder, and has some touch around the basket. But he's not someone that I would consider a monster in the post which is something I think the Kings need. Not necessarily a monster, but a banger for sure. The problem with getting Chandler though is that with Chicago's success this year, their desire to keep him has gone up even further. He was tradable a few months ago for sure, but at this point, I'm not banking on anything. I definitely wouldn't mind having him though, he's a good player with pretty good character as well.
Maybe someone can convince Doug to come back to Sacto over the summer and give Special K some one-on-one tutoring. I'm sure he would jump at the chance to come back and be involved (based on his comments here - http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3739)
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Well, if it's pie in the sky time... how about Peja and Bobby to Toronto for Bosh, Alston and Erik Williams...and then Kenny Thomas to Atlanta for Al Harrington? All work moneywise and I can think of arguements pro and con for each but can you imagine a lineup of:
PG Bibby, Alston
SG Mobley, Evans/Martin
C Miller, Skinner, Tag
PF Bosh, Songaila
SF Harrington, Williams, Corliss
This lineup would be well balanced, athletic, play decent defense with shot blocking ability and a good bench. Or we could make just one move, sign Swift and go with what we have already. But Swift is looking for a big payday/max contract and we're already over the cap...but then that's the same thing with any idea of signing a FA, not enough money available.
PG Bibby, Alston
SG Mobley, Evans/Martin
C Miller, Skinner, Tag
PF Bosh, Songaila
SF Harrington, Williams, Corliss
This lineup would be well balanced, athletic, play decent defense with shot blocking ability and a good bench. Or we could make just one move, sign Swift and go with what we have already. But Swift is looking for a big payday/max contract and we're already over the cap...but then that's the same thing with any idea of signing a FA, not enough money available.
I wouldn't be too surprised if GP made a fairly big move in the offseason. As far as trading Peja is concerned, it ain't gonna happen. I think the Peja thing is dead now that C-Webb is gone. I truly think the Kings won't change all that much in the offseason. They may sign a fairly good role player but the only way to get any big name player or top free agent would be a sign and trade for more than the contracts we got from Philly. It would have to be Brad, Bibby, or Peja if we go after any big deals.
If Cat goes I would fully expect GP to get something in return. I am a little afraid that the Cat will get offers that are rediculously high and the Maloofs would be smart to not re-sign him if that is the case. So if that does happen, sign and trade time!
With that said the biggest move this season may be a coaching change.
If Cat goes I would fully expect GP to get something in return. I am a little afraid that the Cat will get offers that are rediculously high and the Maloofs would be smart to not re-sign him if that is the case. So if that does happen, sign and trade time!
With that said the biggest move this season may be a coaching change.
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Well said.
The last thing we need is another shooter who doesn't do much else. We already have one in Peja. The player I would love to see us get is Hughes. I just think he would be a perfect fit for us and he brings a few similar attributes that Christie brought to the table. Hughes is athletic, plays solid D, can pass the ball well, cna play PG if needed and he can score in a hurry if needed. I think he would be a great fit for us.
I also think we need to get a good PF who can pass and we can run the offense through him. He would have to be athletic and willing to rebound and play D. Lamar Odom would be a good start
. Either a PF or a very good C sow emove Brad to PF.
The last thing we need is another shooter who doesn't do much else. We already have one in Peja. The player I would love to see us get is Hughes. I just think he would be a perfect fit for us and he brings a few similar attributes that Christie brought to the table. Hughes is athletic, plays solid D, can pass the ball well, cna play PG if needed and he can score in a hurry if needed. I think he would be a great fit for us.
I also think we need to get a good PF who can pass and we can run the offense through him. He would have to be athletic and willing to rebound and play D. Lamar Odom would be a good start
. Either a PF or a very good C sow emove Brad to PF.
What would people think about getting Jaric from Clippers??????
He mainly plays PG for the Clippers but he can also play SG. A good defender, a very good passer and is someone who wouldn't be too fussed if he scored or not. Maybe he would be someone we could look at if we can't get Hughes. Jaric would be a lot cheaper option than Hughes.
All of this is assuming that Mobley decides to leave.
He mainly plays PG for the Clippers but he can also play SG. A good defender, a very good passer and is someone who wouldn't be too fussed if he scored or not. Maybe he would be someone we could look at if we can't get Hughes. Jaric would be a lot cheaper option than Hughes.
All of this is assuming that Mobley decides to leave.
My concern with that is we wouldn't have a back up point guard then. Bobby would start alongside Bibby but Bobby has been injury prone for the last couple of years. Someone like Jaric can play both guard positions and can guard well at the perimeter. If Mobley decides to go we could use that money along with one or 2 other players to get the PF we need or a quality C so we move Brad to PF. Jaric wouldn't bring scoring but he would bring some backcourt flexibilty, perimeter D, ball handling and quality passing.
Just a thought anyway
Just a thought anyway
I wouldn't mind keeping Skinner. He gives us a bit of inside presence and could be a handy player off the bench. He can also play at PF and C.
Jaric would be a cheaper option than Hughes and would look to score less than Hughes. I think he would be that role player than can develop into a really important component for us and he would come reasonably cheap. He is a restricted free agent though.
That was just a bit of thought that I came up with anyway.
Jaric would be a cheaper option than Hughes and would look to score less than Hughes. I think he would be that role player than can develop into a really important component for us and he would come reasonably cheap. He is a restricted free agent though.
That was just a bit of thought that I came up with anyway.
You guys know that there's no way we will be under the salary cap next year, and probably won't be under the salary cap for around 4 years, so putting together a shopping list for free agency is a little premature. There's honestly no way we will get under any time soon with Bibby's max contract, Brad's big contract, Peja will get a max or close if he stays with the team. Those three keep up maxed and only able to trade for guys or sign to the mid level exception. That's not even including the large and long contract Kenny Thomas has, any money we spend to retain Cat, and the 3 years on Corliss' deal that aren't especially cheap either.
Looks like we will definitely be over the salary cap next season.
According to HoopsHype, these are next year's salaries:
Bibby..........$11,500,000
Miller..........$8,750,000
Stojakovic...$7,600,000
Mobley........$6,374,000 (Player option, probably will opt out so ignore it)
Williamson....$6,000,000
Thomas.......$6,109,000
Skinner........$4,950,000
Ostertag......$4,620,000
Jackson.......$3,375,000 (Team option, I imagine it'll be picked up)
Songaila......$1,760,000 (Player option, at this rate he'll definitely opt out)
Martin.........$937,000
Evans.........free agent
House.........free agent
Daniels........free agent
If you figure Cat and Darius opt out, the total is roughly $53,841,000. Salary cap is projected to be around $45M. So we are basically left with trades and the standard exceptions.
We get the MLE which will be around $5M to sign any free agent(s) we wish. If I'm not mistaken we also get "Early Bird rights" on Darius since we've had him for two years which means we can offer him an amount equal to the MLE, about $5M. Although the way money was flying this offseason, I suppose someone could conceivably offer him more.
There is also the LLE, which is $1.6M. The catch is it can't be used two years in a row, but I don't think we used it this year.
We also get exceptions that allow us to sign any rookies we may pick up.
And of course, we may sign FAs to minimum contracts at any time.
So here is what we'll have:
PG: Bibby, Jackson, resign House?
SG: Martin, resign Evans?... big hole
SF: Peja, Williamson
PF: Thomas, Songaila(maybe)
C: Miller, Skinner, Ostertag(yup, we get another year of His Tagness)
So we have two main ways to fill the gaps at SG and PF, while shoring up the bench, acquiring an impact 6th man: Trade anyone but our core (Bibby, Peja, Brad), and offer a free agent the MLE or LLE.
Discuss amongst yourselves... but please, out of respect for the season in progress and our Kings' ongoing playoff run, let's try to keep it to a couple threads and not the whole forum. After all that counting down to the trade deadline I don't think VF21 could take it.
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According to HoopsHype, these are next year's salaries:
Bibby..........$11,500,000
Miller..........$8,750,000
Stojakovic...$7,600,000
Mobley........$6,374,000 (Player option, probably will opt out so ignore it)
Williamson....$6,000,000
Thomas.......$6,109,000
Skinner........$4,950,000
Ostertag......$4,620,000
Jackson.......$3,375,000 (Team option, I imagine it'll be picked up)
Songaila......$1,760,000 (Player option, at this rate he'll definitely opt out)
Martin.........$937,000
Evans.........free agent
House.........free agent
Daniels........free agent
If you figure Cat and Darius opt out, the total is roughly $53,841,000. Salary cap is projected to be around $45M. So we are basically left with trades and the standard exceptions.
We get the MLE which will be around $5M to sign any free agent(s) we wish. If I'm not mistaken we also get "Early Bird rights" on Darius since we've had him for two years which means we can offer him an amount equal to the MLE, about $5M. Although the way money was flying this offseason, I suppose someone could conceivably offer him more.
There is also the LLE, which is $1.6M. The catch is it can't be used two years in a row, but I don't think we used it this year.
We also get exceptions that allow us to sign any rookies we may pick up.
And of course, we may sign FAs to minimum contracts at any time.
So here is what we'll have:
PG: Bibby, Jackson, resign House?
SG: Martin, resign Evans?... big hole
SF: Peja, Williamson
PF: Thomas, Songaila(maybe)
C: Miller, Skinner, Ostertag(yup, we get another year of His Tagness)
So we have two main ways to fill the gaps at SG and PF, while shoring up the bench, acquiring an impact 6th man: Trade anyone but our core (Bibby, Peja, Brad), and offer a free agent the MLE or LLE.
Discuss amongst yourselves... but please, out of respect for the season in progress and our Kings' ongoing playoff run, let's try to keep it to a couple threads and not the whole forum. After all that counting down to the trade deadline I don't think VF21 could take it.
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Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie said the team will pick up the option on the final year of Jackson's contract, a decision to which the player is amenable, especially after missing 32 games with the torn ligament in his wrist.
"My agent (Andy Miller) and I have talked about it with the team," Jackson said after working out on the court before the game with Stojakovic and strength and conditioning coach Al Biancani. "I have missed so many games during the last few seasons. As a player, you may not want to have (that option picked up), but with a family, you have to have that security. I definitely want to be in Sacramento, so that's not a bad thing - it's a good thing.
"I'll be secure for another year, and hopefully I can produce the way I've been producing the last five years and get rewarded with something worthwhile."
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/baske...-13330225c.html
"My agent (Andy Miller) and I have talked about it with the team," Jackson said after working out on the court before the game with Stojakovic and strength and conditioning coach Al Biancani. "I have missed so many games during the last few seasons. As a player, you may not want to have (that option picked up), but with a family, you have to have that security. I definitely want to be in Sacramento, so that's not a bad thing - it's a good thing.
"I'll be secure for another year, and hopefully I can produce the way I've been producing the last five years and get rewarded with something worthwhile."
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/baske...-13330225c.html
? Not unless Ray is willing to come and work for the exception.
And really now -- guys, enough with the shooting. I like shooters. Think having them is very useful. But as a rule shooters and softness go hand in hand. We have enough of that. We need to regain our physicality, our interior presence, our defensive prowess. Ray Allen does none of that. He's more versatile than Peja, but he's still pretty much a shooter. If we do pick up another offensive weapon, it really should be one that can attack the other team in the paint, whether it be off the drive, or through the post.
And really now -- guys, enough with the shooting. I like shooters. Think having them is very useful. But as a rule shooters and softness go hand in hand. We have enough of that. We need to regain our physicality, our interior presence, our defensive prowess. Ray Allen does none of that. He's more versatile than Peja, but he's still pretty much a shooter. If we do pick up another offensive weapon, it really should be one that can attack the other team in the paint, whether it be off the drive, or through the post.
